What Next For Joshua?

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If Wlad doesn't take rematch Hearn will give him a turkey like Parker or Bellew for 16.95 ppv.

Money grabbing pudendum is predictable as it gets.
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There was talk of using the Millennium Stadium wasn't there?

Perhaps Pulev with Quigg v Selby as main support would work. Work Cordina in for a minor trinket.

Then get Ortiz out the way late in the year/early '18 and hopefully by then Wilder and Parker have done something to set up another Wembley card in the Summer.

I dunno. It's boxing. What could/should happen, never happens, so best sit back and just see.
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Pulev or Parker
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Post by lillywhite14 »

Ricky_ wrote:If Wlad doesn't take rematch Hearn will give him a turkey like Parker or Bellew for 16.95 ppv.

Money grabbing pudendum is predictable as it gets.
To be fair Parker has a title and is a player in the division.

Bellew? Tony himself basically admits it would be pointless. He's one of AJ's fluffers
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Yea can't see AJ-Bellew at all
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JimJim2009 wrote:Pulev is a tough sell but I imagine he's next unless Joshua wants to vacate the IBF belt.

Tough sell because the average punter hasn't heard of him, and when you look his record up, you see he's lost to the guy Joshua just beat, and just went the distance with a has-been that Joshua destroyed. Pulev is better than that, but its a tough sell.
Hearn sold Joshua v Whyte for a BBBC title as PPV
He sold Martin, Molina and Breazeale
He sold Bellew vs Cleverly 2

The pudendum could sell a lorry load of cocks at a lesbian convention
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Probably not one for the casuals but eddie should play his back up plan Ortiz now. Solid, and should give aj some more valuable rounds. Wlad is smart and should bow out on the high of last night.
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Who are the mandatories for WBA and IBF

Technically shouldn't it be the ibf mandatory next?

The ball is in Wlads court with the rematch clause

I wonder if Wlad takes up the offer do the ibf strip Joshua as they did fury?
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Ossyrules wrote:Who are the mandatories for WBA and IBF

Technically shouldn't it be the ibf mandatory next?

The ball is in Wlads court with the rematch clause

I wonder if Wlad takes up the offer do the ibf strip Joshua as they did fury?
cold187 wrote:Pulev is mandatory
WBA have given a voluntary before Ortiz

Makes pulev fight much more easy to make

Wilder fight will AJ in 2018
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Finn wrote:
Tuan_Jim wrote:AJ should mug Wilder and Parker before anyone else can snatch their belts. The machine is behind him and he should exploit it.

Klitschko at his age I don't think can ever get himself up for such a monumental performance. He's had his time.

Haye must be rueing the day he cobbled together that Bellew farce. With his name and status he could have leapfrogged them all and bagged a summer superfight. Instead he's festering on the scrapheap.

If AJ can snatch up all the belts sharpish a fight between him and Tyson Fury would probably surpass even the 90,000 crowd.

Poor Luis Ortiz.
True but he's a money man and a Bellew rematch is very lucrative
True, but that has zero bearing on the HW division.

It's just a fat CW & an ageing & rickety con man padding each others bank balances.

I doubt anyone gives a stuff about Haye right now.

I might have missed it, but notice how he's been quiet since Joshua's win?

That's not like Haye at all.

I think it must be dawning on him that the HW ship has set sail & he's still at the ticket office trying to get a seat that doesn't exist.
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davie wrote:
JimJim2009 wrote:Pulev is a tough sell but I imagine he's next unless Joshua wants to vacate the IBF belt.

Tough sell because the average punter hasn't heard of him, and when you look his record up, you see he's lost to the guy Joshua just beat, and just went the distance with a has-been that Joshua destroyed. Pulev is better than that, but its a tough sell.
Hearn sold Joshua v Whyte for a BBBC title as PPV
He sold Martin, Molina and Breazeale
He sold Bellew vs Cleverly 2

The pudendum could sell a lorry load of cocks at a lesbian convention
True, but apparently Joshua/Wlad did 1.25m PPV buys, and Eddie won't want to take a backward step on the momentum, that is serious, serious money and all concerned will want to build on the success. Pulev is a hard sell but actually I'd like to see it, when he fought Wlad he wasn't a million miles away from success before he got hammered.
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JimJim2009 wrote:
davie wrote:
JimJim2009 wrote:Pulev is a tough sell but I imagine he's next unless Joshua wants to vacate the IBF belt.

Tough sell because the average punter hasn't heard of him, and when you look his record up, you see he's lost to the guy Joshua just beat, and just went the distance with a has-been that Joshua destroyed. Pulev is better than that, but its a tough sell.
Hearn sold Joshua v Whyte for a BBBC title as PPV
He sold Martin, Molina and Breazeale
He sold Bellew vs Cleverly 2

The pudendum could sell a lorry load of cocks at a lesbian convention
True, but apparently Joshua/Wlad did 1.25m PPV buys, and Eddie won't want to take a backward step on the momentum, that is serious, serious money and all concerned will want to build on the success. Pulev is a hard sell but actually I'd like to see it, when he fought Wlad he wasn't a million miles away from success before he got hammered.
He'll know he can't get those numbers for every Joshua fight,
What he does know is that every AJ fight now, against a top contender will sell very well

Pulev is a very good, highly ranked challenger, that would still do good numbers and is probably lower risk than some of the other big names.
Wlad 2 probably makes most sense but if he can't get Parker, Wlad or Wilder, this would do as a next fight

At the end of the day, he could line up any one of Wlad, Parker, Wilder, Fury (Tyson or Hughie), Ortiz, Bellew, Pulev, Haye or even Povetkin and sell it as a huge event. The options are wide open, there are 10 names that he can pick and choose from over the next 3 or 4 years, As long as he keeps winning he can make huge money. Hell if Whyte smashes Wach or Chisora chins Helenius, those sells too. Hearn has an easy cash cow and his fan base will buy into any of those
Maybe not full Wembley buy in but He's going to make money regardless
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davie wrote:He'll know he can't get those numbers for every Joshua fight,
What he does know is that every AJ fight now, against a top contender will sell very well

Pulev is a very good, highly ranked challenger, that would still do good numbers and is probably lower risk than some of the other big names.
Wlad 2 probably makes most sense but if he can't get Parker, Wlad or Wilder, this would do as a next fight

At the end of the day, he could line up any one of Wlad, Parker, Wilder, Fury (Tyson or Hughie), Ortiz, Bellew, Pulev, Haye or even Povetkin and sell it as a huge event. The options are wide open, there are 10 names that he can pick and choose from over the next 3 or 4 years, As long as he keeps winning he can make huge money. Hell if Whyte smashes Wach or Chisora chins Helenius, those sells too. Hearn has an easy cash cow and his fan base will buy into any of those
Maybe not full Wembley buy in but He's going to make money regardless
I think the idea of treating Joshua as a cash cow would be if he spent the next two years fighting Pulev, followed by the Whyte Wach winner, then Chisora, Hammer, Duhaupas. That sort of thing. But I doubt that will happen.

Wilder has to happen unless Wilder retires. The Fury fight depends entirely on Fury coming back and not getting banned. But Joshua is patently a massive PPV attraction now and will remain so unless he ends up falling apart.
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Can't see Parker or Wilder having the arse to fight him, so Vlad rematch would be great, be good if Fury gets his shot together too.
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I can see it being Pulev at the O2 later in the year.
AJ still only had 19 fights. They will need to limit the amount of wars he has to increase longevity.
Pulev will do nicely until another big Wembley showdown next year.
The Ortiz fight will NEVER happen. He brings risk and zero money. His standing with 'casual' fans is low after his Scott win.
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PredatorHayds wrote:I can see it being Pulev at the O2 later in the year.
AJ still only had 19 fights. They will need to limit the amount of wars he has to increase longevity.
Pulev will do nicely until another big Wembley showdown next year.
The Ortiz fight will NEVER happen. He brings risk and zero money. His standing with 'casual' fans is low after his Scott win.
I think Joshua would destroy Ortiz. He's old, easy to hit and his output is low. Would be a great looking win for AJ
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I don't think it will happen but I saw someone suggest Wilder Vs Dillian Whyte as a fight. From an in ring perspective, I would love that fight. How much sense it makes from a promotional perspective I don't know.
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Nightmare Roy wrote:Can't see Parker or Wilder having the arse to fight him, so Vlad rematch would be great, be good if Fury gets his shot together too.
They will be desperate for the fight, it's money they can only dream of. Wilder was in Russia to fight Povetkin, he's not short of bottle.
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Tuan_Jim wrote:AJ should mug Wilder and Parker before anyone else can snatch their belts. The machine is behind him and he should exploit it.

Klitschko at his age I don't think can ever get himself up for such a monumental performance. He's had his time.

Haye must be rueing the day he cobbled together that Bellew farce. With his name and status he could have leapfrogged them all and bagged a summer superfight. Instead he's festering on the scrapheap.

If AJ can snatch up all the belts sharpish a fight between him and Tyson Fury would probably surpass even the 90,000 crowd.

Poor Luis Ortiz.

Spot on regarding Haye. It would have been enormous. With Joshua on the canvas for the first time, there's plenty who would have thought Haye would be able to keep him there. Plus Haye's press conference vitriol would surely have dragged out the venom in AJ.

Evidently Haye gambled on a highlight reel kayo of Bellew with AJ at ringside to increase his cut of the gate.
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Jackson328 wrote:
keirw wrote:What is trying to talk up a rematch but I feel he should retire personally.

AJ needs to unify the division now, Parker and Wilder should be his next two fights.

After that (if he has lost the weight by then) has to be Fury.
Agree with this, would be amazing if Hearn could pull it off but I can't see it for some reason! Parker and Wilder will maybe get awkward now that they know how big the earning potential is for a fight with AJ. All roads lead to Fury and the Ring/Lineal titles but realistically that is at the very least a year away given the shape Fury is in and his problems outside the ring? I can see a Wilder/Parker unification and then the winner vs AJ for all the belts and that would be massive! If Wlad decides he wants to rematch Joshua the same scenario could apply i.e. all the belts on the line.
How do any of the roads lead to Fury? There's almost zero earning potential, one of the hardest teams to negotiate (as well as being unreliable), no championship belts, and you'd essentially be chasing a ghost. Not in any kind of shape to even be looking at the inside of a ring. At the moment, zero roads lead to Fury.
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All roads lead to Joshua. Fury became the man when he beat Wlad, he then disappeared and is currently not active.

Joshua became the man by achieveing the exact same feat, beating Wlad, who went back to being the man to beat once Fury left the sport.

If Fury comes back I fear it's only because he wants the huge payday against Joshua
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samwbr wrote:
Nightmare Roy wrote:Can't see Parker or Wilder having the arse to fight him, so Vlad rematch would be great, be good if Fury gets his shot together too.
They will be desperate for the fight, it's money they can only dream of. Wilder was in Russia to fight Povetkin, he's not short of bottle.
A point that seems to get overlooked a lot. Its like people blame Wilder for Potvekin's failed test
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Rob3_142 wrote:
Jackson328 wrote:
keirw wrote:What is trying to talk up a rematch but I feel he should retire personally.

AJ needs to unify the division now, Parker and Wilder should be his next two fights.

After that (if he has lost the weight by then) has to be Fury.
Agree with this, would be amazing if Hearn could pull it off but I can't see it for some reason! Parker and Wilder will maybe get awkward now that they know how big the earning potential is for a fight with AJ. All roads lead to Fury and the Ring/Lineal titles but realistically that is at the very least a year away given the shape Fury is in and his problems outside the ring? I can see a Wilder/Parker unification and then the winner vs AJ for all the belts and that would be massive! If Wlad decides he wants to rematch Joshua the same scenario could apply i.e. all the belts on the line.
How do any of the roads lead to Fury? There's almost zero earning potential, one of the hardest teams to negotiate (as well as being unreliable), no championship belts, and you'd essentially be chasing a ghost. Not in any kind of shape to even be looking at the inside of a ring. At the moment, zero roads lead to Fury.
Whilst Wilder and Parker are title holders and other capable fighters are in mandatory positions, Fury is top of the list in terms of money, because of one obvious reason: millions of people would pay a lot of money to see Joshua destroy Fury. It might not happen, Fury could win, it could be a stinker. But that is how it'll be sold to the masses and people genuinely want to see it.

Joshua can sell fighting anyone, but it's the biggest fight going for him in a financial sense and therefore it'll happen. Fury and his team would have to accept short money, but they bring nothing to the table. No fans, no titles. But it's still the biggest earner Fury can get.
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dirk2686 wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
Jackson328 wrote:
Agree with this, would be amazing if Hearn could pull it off but I can't see it for some reason! Parker and Wilder will maybe get awkward now that they know how big the earning potential is for a fight with AJ. All roads lead to Fury and the Ring/Lineal titles but realistically that is at the very least a year away given the shape Fury is in and his problems outside the ring? I can see a Wilder/Parker unification and then the winner vs AJ for all the belts and that would be massive! If Wlad decides he wants to rematch Joshua the same scenario could apply i.e. all the belts on the line.
How do any of the roads lead to Fury? There's almost zero earning potential, one of the hardest teams to negotiate (as well as being unreliable), no championship belts, and you'd essentially be chasing a ghost. Not in any kind of shape to even be looking at the inside of a ring. At the moment, zero roads lead to Fury.
Whilst Wilder and Parker are title holders and other capable fighters are in mandatory positions, Fury is top of the list in terms of money, because of one obvious reason: millions of people would pay a lot of money to see Joshua destroy Fury. It might not happen, Fury could win, it could be a stinker. But that is how it'll be sold to the masses and people genuinely want to see it.

Joshua can sell fighting anyone, but it's the biggest fight going for him in a financial sense and therefore it'll happen. Fury and his team would have to accept short money, but they bring nothing to the table. No fans, no titles. But it's still the biggest earner Fury can get.
Basically everything you have just said there means, all roads lead to Joshua.
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Hearn suggested Pulev wasn't suitable for the big venues he wants to fill, said not Ortiz yet. He must have something bigger in mind because Pulev certainly seems a straightforward next fight from my viewpoint. I can't see Fury being ready to sign as quick as anyone likes, but (his PED case not withstanding) money talks and getting him now would seem the ideal time-, he's out of action, out of shape, looking for the quick route back to the top.
Could well be Fury.
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