British Top 30 P4P May 2017

[Andrew]

FairPlay for putting Joshua at number 3

Much deserved.

Only real issue is Fury being here as he hasn't fought in over 18 months no fight scheduled, no license and probably going to receive a doping ban. Furys situation will become very clear by the end of this month because of the UKAD hearing in a weeks time.

Personally I would put Josh Warrington, Liam Walsh Or Liam Williams at the bottom end instead of Andrew Selby or Skeete.

Williams stock for me has actually increased because he schooled Liam Smith 3 weeks back and should have been declared the winner via disqualification.

[milpool]

Wouldn't argue too much about the rankings except I'd eliminate Tyson Fury and Andy Lee due to inactivity.
Out of interest Horse, what's your criteria for inactivity?

[TheGingerBomber]

You think Fury was more impressive than Joshua, and that's fine. I think most don't agree though.

I think 'most' have the bias of not rating or liking Fury.

They may love or hate him but the fact remains that there are serious cases of wanting to have your cake and eat it here. Fury even alluded to it; 'I toyed with him, you went life or death.'

This completely misses the point of fights having different styles of course, but also you can easily reverse it by saying Wlad was never remotely bothered by Fury and Joshua dropped him several times and stopped him.

I was just getting at the bias.

[Horse]

FairPlay for putting Joshua at number 3

Much deserved.

Only real issue is Fury being here as he hasn't fought in over 18 months no fight scheduled, no license and probably going to receive a doping ban. Furys situation will become very clear by the end of this month because of the UKAD hearing in a weeks time.

Fury's been inactive for less than 18 months.

I'll possibly reconsider Fury's inclusion after the UKAD hearing.

Personally I would put Josh Warrington, Liam Walsh Or Liam Williams at the bottom end instead of Andrew Selby or Skeete.

Williams stock for me has actually increased because he schooled Liam Smith 3 weeks back and should have been declared the winner via disqualification.

Williams stock did increase, but I didn't think the quality of loss was high enough for him to re-enter the rankings.

Walsh & Warrington have both been too inactive recently, but they'll both re-enter the rankings if they win their fights this month.

[Rob3_142]

Held more weight with who?

Well everyone. Either it be BoxRec rankings, or to the boxing fraternity. The ethos of boxing, since its inception, is that you fight to knock the other guy out. That's why fights hundreds of years ago there was no limit to rounds, cause you just kept going until you got your guy out of there. Now obviously in the view of safety and time, limits were brought into affect, which relies on judges scorecards.

It's very much like a penalty shootout at the end of a football match. A team that win's 4-3 in the last 5 minutes will be held a lot higher in esteem than a team that wins in a penalty shootout after a 0-0 stalemate. Both are still worth the win, but in a sporting context, one is more valuable than the other.

Boxer vs. Puncher?
Which does the "boxing fraternity" tend to side with?

Good question. I can't speak for everyone. But a vote should tell us.

http://editors.boxrec.com/forum/viewtop ... 2&t=211287

[Horse]

Wouldn't argue too much about the rankings except I'd eliminate Tyson Fury and Andy Lee due to inactivity.

Andy Lee had a fight in March, so he's not really an inactive fighter at the moment.

Out of interest Horse, what's your criteria for inactivity?

I'm not sure I have one.

[wesshaw1985]

Well everyone. Either it be BoxRec rankings, or to the boxing fraternity. The ethos of boxing, since its inception, is that you fight to knock the other guy out. That's why fights hundreds of years ago there was no limit to rounds, cause you just kept going until you got your guy out of there. Now obviously in the view of safety and time, limits were brought into affect, which relies on judges scorecards.

It's very much like a penalty shootout at the end of a football match. A team that win's 4-3 in the last 5 minutes will be held a lot higher in esteem than a team that wins in a penalty shootout after a 0-0 stalemate. Both are still worth the win, but in a sporting context, one is more valuable than the other.

Boxer vs. Puncher?
Which does the "boxing fraternity" tend to side with?

Good question. I can't speak for everyone. But a vote should tell us.

http://editors.boxrec.com/forum/viewtop ... 2&t=211287

You've asked the wrong question imo.

If we're going off votes, the Fury vs. Joshua vote tells us everything we need to know -
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200511
70% in Furys favour...

[Rob3_142]

Boxer vs. Puncher?
Which does the "boxing fraternity" tend to side with?

Good question. I can't speak for everyone. But a vote should tell us.

http://editors.boxrec.com/forum/viewtop ... 2&t=211287

You've asked the wrong question imo.

If we're going off votes, the Fury vs. Joshua vote tells us everything we need to know -
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200511
70% in Furys favour...

I disagree. I think it is the right question to ask. I don't want to know who people think would win in between the two, I want to know which performance people value more.

[wesshaw1985]

Good question. I can't speak for everyone. But a vote should tell us.

http://editors.boxrec.com/forum/viewtop ... 2&t=211287

You've asked the wrong question imo.

If we're going off votes, the Fury vs. Joshua vote tells us everything we need to know -
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200511
70% in Furys favour...

I disagree. I think it is the right question to ask. I don't want to know who people think would win in between the two, I want to know which performance people value more.

active 39 year old, inactive 41 year old...

[Ossyrules]

cant see how you can keep Fury ranked and have him below AJ.
Either Fury is ranked and is above AJ or he isn't ranked and is totally out of the equation. IMO...

Inactivity affects ranking position.

I think it's fair to assume fury will be inactive a short while still as well

[davie]

Boxer vs. Puncher?
Which does the "boxing fraternity" tend to side with?

Good question. I can't speak for everyone. But a vote should tell us.

http://editors.boxrec.com/forum/viewtop ... 2&t=211287

You've asked the wrong question imo.

If we're going off votes, the Fury vs. Joshua vote tells us everything we need to know -
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200511
70% in Furys favour...

That question was asked a year ago under very different circumstances

[milpool]

Wouldn't argue too much about the rankings except I'd eliminate Tyson Fury and Andy Lee due to inactivity.

Andy Lee had a fight in March, so he's not really an inactive fighter at the moment.

Ah so he did, my apologies.

[wesshaw1985]

Good question. I can't speak for everyone. But a vote should tell us.

http://editors.boxrec.com/forum/viewtop ... 2&t=211287

You've asked the wrong question imo.

If we're going off votes, the Fury vs. Joshua vote tells us everything we need to know -
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200511
70% in Furys favour...

That question was asked a year ago under very different circumstances

That's why the poll is still open from a year ago and people can change their minds and selctions.
Its had 20plus votes since Saturday night, most in favour of Fury...