HomicideHenry wrote:Lmao, Joshua would throw 4-5 punches and he'd gas out
He wouldn't do diddly squat with Fury
Fury could come in looking like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man and would probably still win.
The guy that scored an 11th round knockout is just gonna gas after 5 punches when he's in the ring with Fury huh?
HomicideHenry wrote:Lmao, Joshua would throw 4-5 punches and he'd gas out
He wouldn't do diddly squat with Fury
Fury could come in looking like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man and would probably still win.
He throw over 200 punches in the opening 5 rounds before he clocked a few big hits from Wlad. I think considering, his punch output was very good. Double of what Fury was throwing against the same opponent.
Fury outlanded Wlad by 34 punches. Joshua outlanded Wlad by 13 punches. Fury would outland Joshua. Fury is also taller than Wlad / Joshua, has a longer wingspan than Wlad / Joshua, and is a more skilled jabber than Wlad / Joshua; which is exactly why he did / would dominate Wlad / Joshua. The idea that Joshua is some artist at swarming a taller, rangier jabber is insane. Joshua isn't Joe Frazier. Joshua spent his whole life being tall and learning to fight tall. He isn't a swarmer. It's kind of like how Wladimir spent his whole life being tall and learning to fight tall. He isn't a swarmer. That's why Wlad didn't change his style overnight against Fury -- because an elite out-boxer can't learn to be an elite swarmer in a short period of time. In fact, the odds are against anyone anywhere being elite at even one style, let alone two, after dedicating their whole life to learning that one style. That's why there aren't one million elite boxers on the Earth, there's only about 25.
Fury is an underrated boxer -- and that's why he won against Klitschko.. He has natural talent.. I thought the fight was interesting but a lot of people hated it because it lacked action… It lacked hard punching... Neither boxer took any chances.. However, the world was still Fury's oyster at that point, if he played his cards as smart as Klitschko and Joshua play theirs.. But Fury is incapable of being a Heavyweight Champion because it doesn’t match his image of himself. He's like Buster Douglas.
Look at the endorsement deals Joshua is getting.. Look at the way George Foreman built his popularity.. People love George.. Don’t tell people your religious or political beliefs.. When asked who you favor in fights, be non-committal. If you have to make a choice, be generous to the other boxer. Say nice things about your opponents and potential opponents. Laugh and joke a lot when you’re interviewed - relax and have a good time. If you’re doing commentary be generous to both boxers and give insights the fans aren’t likely to hear from the other commentators. Don’t be a foul mouthed fool.. The more people like you the richer you'll get.
Obviously Fury could still be successful if he gets his emotional instability crisis straightened out.. But I kind of think that's a cop out for being lazy.. Fury is another Buster Douglas.. Douglas trained hard for one fight where he showed his great potential -- and that was it.. The Tyson fight was his whole career.. Buster didn’t give a crap about anything after winning the Heavyweight Championship.. He ate and ate and ate and got super fat – and abused drugs and whatever.. Tyson Fury has exactly the same mindset.
I can't believe there are still people defending that tripe of a fight between fury and wlad, even when gifted the easy comparison of a real fight right after it.
It's a shame fury will never be the same again because it would have been very interesting to hear his proponents try and explain what happened when he got crushed by Joshua.
gilgamesh wrote:Fury never got hit flush because Wlad never threw meaningful punches against him. Wlad showed up and didn't fight against Fury. Fury did nothing impressive that night, he just showed up.
This would maybe make sense if Joshua wasn't totally gassed for multiple rounds, and Wlad was too cautious to put on any pressure.
Wlad was every bit as gun shy when he fought Joshua as when he fought Fury, the only difference is Fury could exploit that.
I'm convinced Wlad was injured vs Fury. He was incredibly sluggish, from the rumors i read i think he had a bad calf injury which would make sense.
That been said Fury gave him a bit of a clowning and never looked hurt at all really. Joshua was a sitting duck and gassed out. Deserves credit for getting through such a mess vs a great champion and finding a second wind though.
Hard to compare, but put it this way. I've watched the full rerun of Wlad vs AJ 3 times now. You'd have to pay me good money to rewatch Klitchko vs Fury.
AJ-Wlad was obviously more entertaining, but Fury didn't have to be entertaining and go through hell to get his win, and I think a lot of people are too easily dismissing the role his length, constant movement, and jab had in offsetting Wlad.
I've always had problem with the view that a fighter having more problems somehow makes their win more impressive...
gilgamesh wrote:It's not even debatable. Anthony Joshua won a fight. Tyson Fury won a staring contest. If Wlad showed up to fight against Fury the way he showed up to fight against AJ he would've still been the reigning and defending Champion entering the ring that night.
Totally agree. Wlad just wasn't in the ring until the 12th. I think he had personal problems e.g. Wife's post natal depression.
Ricky_ wrote:I'm convinced Wlad was injured vs Fury. He was incredibly sluggish, from the rumors i read i think he had a bad calf injury which would make sense.
That been said Fury gave him a bit of a clowning and never looked hurt at all really. Joshua was a sitting duck and gassed out. Deserves credit for getting through such a mess vs a great champion and finding a second wind though.
Hard to compare, but put it this way. I've watched the full rerun of Wlad vs AJ 3 times now. You'd have to pay me good money to rewatch Klitchko vs Fury.
Wife's personal problems and being a daddy is probably more accurate. He didn't throw a power punch until 12th round. Perhaps he needed a loss, but a pity it was to that absolute tool Fury.
Ricky_ wrote:I'm convinced Wlad was injured vs Fury. He was incredibly sluggish, from the rumors i read i think he had a bad calf injury which would make sense.
That been said Fury gave him a bit of a clowning and never looked hurt at all really. Joshua was a sitting duck and gassed out. Deserves credit for getting through such a mess vs a great champion and finding a second wind though.
Hard to compare, but put it this way. I've watched the full rerun of Wlad vs AJ 3 times now. You'd have to pay me good money to rewatch Klitchko vs Fury.
Wife's personal problems and being a daddy is probably more accurate. He didn't throw a power punch until 12th round. Perhaps he needed a loss, but a pity it was to that absolute tool Fury.
Credit to Fury though. His greatest asset is his 7ft reach and utilized it perfectly to get the job done.
