Vitali vs AJ - Hypothetical Matchup of Big Bro Avenging Wlads Loss

AJ vs Vitali the Avenger

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Vitali vs AJ - Hypothetical Matchup of Big Bro Avenging Wlads Loss

Post by SAPFO »

Gone are the days that if you bullied Wlad, his big brother Vitali would come around and beat you into a bloody mess. This was something Vitali seemed to take pleasure in. He was a the killer of the K2 pair.

Personally I think Vitali would have put AJ to bed if he'd had AJ hurt like Wlad did in 5, or was it 6? That was the difference between the Bro's.

How do you see it?
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Post by SaadOffTheDeck »

AJ easy.vitalis lack of power would hurt him.
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Post by daviddee »

Vitali was an absolute beast of a fighter by miles the better of the 2 brothers.. Vitali has a great chin and is a little taller than Wlad.. Problem AJ would have is every time he get hit he gets hurt.. He wouldn't be able to stop Vitali and wouldn't be able to outbox him.. It would've went the exact same way as the Shannon Briggs fight..
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Post by davie »

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:AJ easy.vitalis lack of power would hurt him.
Vitali never lacked power.
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Post by SaadOffTheDeck »

davie wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:AJ easy.vitalis lack of power would hurt him.
Vitali never lacked power.
He sure did. Arm puncher.
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Post by craigjenkins05 »

Vitali had decent power and his chin was immense, vitali late stoppage
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
davie wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:AJ easy.vitalis lack of power would hurt him.
Vitali never lacked power.
He sure did. Arm puncher.
He didn't have textbook technique but for a lad lacking textbook technique he could really fvcking bang

Imagine what he could have done if he delivered a perfect straight right

The man hit hard
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davie wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
davie wrote:
Vitali never lacked power.
He sure did. Arm puncher.
He didn't have textbook technique but for a lad lacking textbook technique he could really fvcking bang

Imagine what he could have done if he delivered a perfect straight right

The man hit hard
He was a large man so eventually it added up. Nowhere near the power of his brother or aj. Pretty average puncher all around. Shocking how many people classify him a banger.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
davie wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He sure did. Arm puncher.
He didn't have textbook technique but for a lad lacking textbook technique he could really fvcking bang

Imagine what he could have done if he delivered a perfect straight right

The man hit hard
He was a large man so eventually it added up. Nowhere near the power of his brother or aj. Pretty average puncher all around. Shocking how many people classify him a banger.
Bare in mind you are comparing to 2 of the hardest hitters ever. Those 2 have huge power (particularly AJ) and pretty good punch delivery/technique (particularly Wlad)

Vitali hit hard, I watched him hit hard
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davie wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
davie wrote:
He didn't have textbook technique but for a lad lacking textbook technique he could really fvcking bang

Imagine what he could have done if he delivered a perfect straight right

The man hit hard
He was a large man so eventually it added up. Nowhere near the power of his brother or aj. Pretty average puncher all around. Shocking how many people classify him a banger.
Bare in mind you are comparing to 2 of the hardest hitters ever. Those 2 have huge power (particularly AJ) and pretty good punch delivery/technique (particularly Wlad)

Vitali hit hard, I watched him hit hard
Ok, you changed my mind. :roll:
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Post by Benelio »

Out of interest, is Vitali still WBC champion Emeritus?
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
davie wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He was a large man so eventually it added up. Nowhere near the power of his brother or aj. Pretty average puncher all around. Shocking how many people classify him a banger.
Bare in mind you are comparing to 2 of the hardest hitters ever. Those 2 have huge power (particularly AJ) and pretty good punch delivery/technique (particularly Wlad)

Vitali hit hard, I watched him hit hard
Ok, you changed my mind. :roll:
Good to see you've seen sense :TU:
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Post by Tuan_Jim »

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
davie wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:AJ easy.vitalis lack of power would hurt him.
Vitali never lacked power.
He sure did. Arm puncher.
Vitali was a stiff arm puncher. it's why he couldn't even knock over brittle 40 year old chins like Corrie Sanders and Shannon Briggs. There's numerous examples of this. His record doesn't survive scrutiny.
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Post by SaadOffTheDeck »

Tuan_Jim wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
davie wrote:
Vitali never lacked power.
He sure did. Arm puncher.
Vitali was a stiff arm puncher. it's why he couldn't even knock over brittle 40 year old chins like Corrie Sanders and Shannon Briggs. There's numerous examples of this. His record doesn't survive scrutiny.
No question, he just couldn't punch like a Rahman or holyfield, countless others. Very tough, great stamina, poor punch variety too.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:AJ easy.vitalis lack of power would hurt him.
Lack of power? Are u for real? Vitali up until his last 3/4 fights was the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time.
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davie wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
davie wrote:
He didn't have textbook technique but for a lad lacking textbook technique he could really fvcking bang

Imagine what he could have done if he delivered a perfect straight right

The man hit hard
He was a large man so eventually it added up. Nowhere near the power of his brother or aj. Pretty average puncher all around. Shocking how many people classify him a banger.
Bare in mind you are comparing to 2 of the hardest hitters ever. Those 2 have huge power (particularly AJ) and pretty good punch delivery/technique (particularly Wlad)

Vitali hit hard, I watched him hit hard
Would you say AJ hits harder than lennox lewis did? Imo LL hit very hard and vitali took his best shots and walked forward plus i think LL was a better all round boxer than AJ
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
davie wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:AJ easy.vitalis lack of power would hurt him.
Vitali never lacked power.
He sure did. Arm puncher.
I think it depends on your definition of power - you get your KO artists like Julian Jackson and Thomas Hearns who have that one-punch destructiveness, then you have your 'heavy-handed' fighters like Chavez Jr and Vitali.

Sure, he wasn't a KO artist, and his style meant he could look like he wasn't leveraging his full power, but you only have to read the accounts of the likes of Danny Williams ("He also hit really hard, even with the glancing blows.") to know he was a lot more than just an arm puncher.

For what it's worth, I think Vitali would stop AJ. Too good a chin, too good a work-rate, under-rated boxer and yes, hits too hard...
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Post by TheGman »

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Tuan_Jim wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He sure did. Arm puncher.
Vitali was a stiff arm puncher. it's why he couldn't even knock over brittle 40 year old chins like Corrie Sanders and Shannon Briggs. There's numerous examples of this. His record doesn't survive scrutiny.
No question, he just couldn't punch like a Rahman or holyfield, countless others. Very tough, great stamina, poor punch variety too.
You are taking the pi55 now,saad is either trying to wind people up or he hasnt got a clue about boxing lol
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thechump wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:AJ easy.vitalis lack of power would hurt him.
Lack of power? Are u for real? Vitali up until his last 3/4 fights was the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time.
:lol:
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Post by SaadOffTheDeck »

Deserter wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
davie wrote:
Vitali never lacked power.
He sure did. Arm puncher.
I think it depends on your definition of power - you get your KO artists like Julian Jackson and Thomas Hearns who have that one-punch destructiveness, then you have your 'heavy-handed' fighters like Chavez Jr and Vitali.

Sure, he wasn't a KO artist, and his style meant he could look like he wasn't leveraging his full power, but you only have to read the accounts of the likes of Danny Williams ("He also hit really hard, even with the glancing blows.") to know he was a lot more than just an arm puncher.

For what it's worth, I think Vitali would stop AJ. Too good a chin, too good a work-rate, under-rated boxer and yes, hits too hard...
He was definitely an arm puncher, that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. He's a huge man.
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Post by BitPlayer »

In his prime, Vitali. Now he wouldn't have a chance though, far too old. That said I think Wlad would likely have won if he was a few years fresher.
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Post by Tuan_Jim »

His power is hilariously overrated. He was a big strong volume guy.

Hits Obed Sullivan with everything but can't deck him - that fight sandwiched by Grant and Tua flattening Sullivan.

Hits Byrd innumerable times, nothing happens, Ibeabuchi flattens him, Wlad puts him on floor several times.

Vaughn Bean down heavily vs Holyfield, withstands everything Vitali throws.

Vitali hits a fat 37 year old Lewis with his best shots, can't deck him, McCall and Rahman put him down heavily.

Old fat 39 yr old Corrie Sanders, history of chin problems, Vitali hits him with everything, can't even put him down.

Sam Peter, down thrice vs McCline, down vs Wlad, not a single KD by Vitali.

Arreola and Johnson, no KDs, 40 year old Shannon Briggs, down vs numerous opponents, takes everything, Chisora takes everything, is nuked by David Haye (etc etc).

He's not a puncher, and his crazy KO ratio stats illustrate how meaningless KO ratios are.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
davie wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He sure did. Arm puncher.
He didn't have textbook technique but for a lad lacking textbook technique he could really fvcking bang

Imagine what he could have done if he delivered a perfect straight right

The man hit hard
He was a large man so eventually it added up. Nowhere near the power of his brother or aj. Pretty average puncher all around. Shocking how many people classify him a banger.
He has a far better KO rating as Wlad has lol.


I think Vitali would have won, Wlad is 10 pounds lighter as AJ, Vitali was taller and often more heavy as Joshua has ever been going into a fight. Better chin, better KO rating, name it.
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Vitali too old to avenge this one
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Post by Ossyrules »

Vitali had power but it weren't lights out power. There is more to boxing than just having a massive punch to have a high ko record.

Vitali was so much better than his opposition, especially physically, that stoppage victories are envitable, but it doesn't mean he has the biggest punch per se, it means he punches hard enough combined with greater skill set or physical attributes that stoppages will come anyway.

The post with the match ups explains this well.

The post that say he's the hardest hitting heavyweight all time is BS
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