Reports: Canelo Rejects WBC's Cinco De Mayo Title

[Ruthless-RKO]

According to several reports in Mexico, Saul "Canelo" Alvarez has rejected the World Boxing Council's title belt which the sanctioning body created for the big Cinco De Mayo event.

The WBC created the belt, which it planned to present to the winner of Canelo's HBO Pay-Per-View fight with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. on Saturday night at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

There is no world title at stake, because the contest is taking place at a catch-weight of 164.5-pounds. Canelo is still the holder of the WBO's junior middleweight title and is moving up in weight to take the fight, but afterwards he plans to compete in the middleweight division.

The rift between Canelo and WBC began last year, when Canelo held their middleweight title.

The WBC applied pressure on Canelo to defend their against the mandatory challenger, Gennady "GGG" Golovkin.

In response, Canelo dropped the WBC belt and had some harsh words for the sanctioning body - stating that he wasn't going to allow the sanctioning body to force the direction of his career. The WBC made Golovkin, who held the interim-belt, their full champion.

Canelo went down to the junior middleweight division, where he was embraced the World Boxing Organization (WBO), who don't have the best relationship with the WBC. Canelo fought for their junior middleweight title last September and captured it with a knockout of Liam Smith.

During the pre-fight promotion, Chavez Jr. lashed out at Canelo over the rift with the WBC. Chavez Jr. called Canelo "an ingrate" for turning his back on the WBC and said the sanctioning body assisted the once-beaten boxer with winning his first world title, which took place at a catch-weight of 150-pounds against Matthew Hatton.

Some of the reports indicate that Canelo even ordered for the WBC's belt to be removed from the event's official program.

http://www.BS.com/reports-cane ... RwyZC.dpuf

[Horse]

Ingrate!

[RScarf1]

Well, I guess we now know who the WBC will be rooting for. They probably favored Chavez Jr. anyway just because of who his father is. The WBC had an indigenous Mexican artist make the belt. If Canelo wins, I guess he won't accept the belt.

[Boxing Prospect]

...why wait until weeks after the public slammed the belt? Sort of feels like Canelo has waited a bit too long here and has reacted to public perception, rather than his own morals

[verlichte]

I don't think that Canelo’s actions are that unreasonable.

The vast majority of the time, the WBC refuse to recognise fighters holding world titles from rival governing bodies. No one complains about this.

However, the WBC made an exception for Golovkin, because of the lure of the mega-money to be obtained from a super-fight involving the winner of Canelo-Cotto versus GGG.

The WBC then tried to impose the terms of the super-fight between Canelo & Golovkin, such as the purse split and the deadline for the bout, with Alvarez having his title taken away from him if he didn’t play along with their demands.

Understandably, Golden Boy didn’t want to play ball, so Canelo vacated his title, in order to ensure a fight between himself and the Kazakh is orchestrated on his terms.

I’m led to believe that the WBC usually charge sanctioning fees for their commemorative belts, so perhaps Mauricio Sulaimán wanted a piece of the action by charging fees for the belt itself, coupled with any officials that they require to attend the bout, even though Chavez Jr. and Canelo aren’t actually fighting for a version of their world title.

If what I’ve written is correct, and I’m confident that it is, then I wholly appreciate Canelo’s reasons to refuse to line the pockets of the head honchos at the WBC, hence his refusal to the Cinco De Mayo belt.

In simple terms, the WBC say to Canelo, “we’ve made you a lovely belt in order to receive a huge sanctioning fee from yourself and Chavez Jr, even though we did this off our own back knowing full-well that this was a catchweight fight without any official world titles on the line”… and Alvarez’s response is “No! Píss off you greedy fúckérs!”

[caldo2025]

I don't think that Canelo’s actions are that unreasonable.

The vast majority of the time, the WBC refuse to recognise fighters holding world titles from rival governing bodies. No one complains about this.

However, the WBC made an exception for Golovkin, because of the lure of the mega-money to be obtained from a super-fight involving the winner of Canelo-Cotto versus GGG.

The WBC then tried to impose the terms of the super-fight between Canelo & Golovkin, such as the purse split and the deadline for the bout, with Alvarez having his title taken away from him if he didn’t play along with their demands.

Understandably, Golden Boy didn’t want to play ball, so Canelo vacated his title, in order to ensure a fight between himself and the Kazakh is orchestrated on his terms.

I’m led to believe that the WBC usually charge sanctioning fees for their commemorative belts, so perhaps Mauricio Sulaimán wanted a piece of the action by charging fees for the belt itself, coupled with any officials that they require to attend the bout, even though Chavez Jr. and Canelo aren’t actually fighting for a version of their world title.

If what I’ve written is correct, and I’m confident that it is, then I wholly appreciate Canelo’s reasons to refuse to line the pockets of the head honchos at the WBC, hence his refusal to the Cinco De Mayo belt.

In simple terms, the WBC say to Canelo, “we’ve made you a lovely belt in order to receive a huge sanctioning fee from yourself and Chavez Jr, even though we did this off our own back knowing full-well that this was a catchweight fight without any official world titles on the line”… and Alvarez’s response is “No! Píss off you greedy fúckérs!”

Good read here and I believe that you are right on the money.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I’m led to believe that the WBC usually charge sanctioning fees for their commemorative belts, so perhaps Mauricio Sulaimán wanted a piece of the action by charging fees for the belt itself, coupled with any officials that they require to attend the bout, even though Chavez Jr. and Canelo aren’t actually fighting for a version of their world title.

If what I’ve written is correct, and I’m confident that it is, then I wholly appreciate Canelo’s reasons to refuse to line the pockets of the head honchos at the WBC, hence his refusal to the Cinco De Mayo belt.

How many commemorative belts have the WBC created?

WBC allowed a 150 catchweight when Canelo challenged Matthew Hatton for the WBC light middleweight title. Talk about favours?

[verlichte]

I’m led to believe that the WBC usually charge sanctioning fees for their commemorative belts, so perhaps Mauricio Sulaimán wanted a piece of the action by charging fees for the belt itself, coupled with any officials that they require to attend the bout, even though Chavez Jr. and Canelo aren’t actually fighting for a version of their world title.

If what I’ve written is correct, and I’m confident that it is, then I wholly appreciate Canelo’s reasons to refuse to line the pockets of the head honchos at the WBC, hence his refusal to the Cinco De Mayo belt.

How many commemorative belts have the WBC created?

WBC allowed a 150 catchweight when Canelo challenged Matthew Hatton for the WBC light middleweight title. Talk about favours?

I don’t really make an effort to count the amount of commemorative belts the WBC issue. They tend to issue these for high-profile big money bouts. I know that the WBC issued the Emerald belt for the Mayweather-Pacquiao bout and also the Onyx belt for the Hopkins-Smith contest.

To be fair, the media don’t usually show an interest in any of the commemorative belts issued by the main four governing bodies, so you don’t tend to find out about them until fight night.

[Stuarty]

Excellent more belts

I'm surprised the WBA didn't create a WBA May Day holiday edition belt for yesterday

[boxing_rocks]

I don't think that Canelo’s actions are that unreasonable.

The vast majority of the time, the WBC refuse to recognise fighters holding world titles from rival governing bodies. No one complains about this.

However, the WBC made an exception for Golovkin, because of the lure of the mega-money to be obtained from a super-fight involving the winner of Canelo-Cotto versus GGG.

The WBC then tried to impose the terms of the super-fight between Canelo & Golovkin, such as the purse split and the deadline for the bout, with Alvarez having his title taken away from him if he didn’t play along with their demands.

Understandably, Golden Boy didn’t want to play ball, so Canelo vacated his title, in order to ensure a fight between himself and the Kazakh is orchestrated on his terms.

I’m led to believe that the WBC usually charge sanctioning fees for their commemorative belts, so perhaps Mauricio Sulaimán wanted a piece of the action by charging fees for the belt itself, coupled with any officials that they require to attend the bout, even though Chavez Jr. and Canelo aren’t actually fighting for a version of their world title.

If what I’ve written is correct, and I’m confident that it is, then I wholly appreciate Canelo’s reasons to refuse to line the pockets of the head honchos at the WBC, hence his refusal to the Cinco De Mayo belt.

In simple terms, the WBC say to Canelo, “we’ve made you a lovely belt in order to receive a huge sanctioning fee from yourself and Chavez Jr, even though we did this off our own back knowing full-well that this was a catchweight fight without any official world titles on the line”… and Alvarez’s response is “No! Píss off you greedy fúckérs!”

EO is here again with his garbage.

Golovkin defeated Rubio who was WBC Interim champ and thus a mandatory for a real champion. Naturally, Golovkin got that belt and mandatory position.

[verlichte]

I don't think that Canelo’s actions are that unreasonable.

The vast majority of the time, the WBC refuse to recognise fighters holding world titles from rival governing bodies. No one complains about this.

However, the WBC made an exception for Golovkin, because of the lure of the mega-money to be obtained from a super-fight involving the winner of Canelo-Cotto versus GGG.

The WBC then tried to impose the terms of the super-fight between Canelo & Golovkin, such as the purse split and the deadline for the bout, with Alvarez having his title taken away from him if he didn’t play along with their demands.

Understandably, Golden Boy didn’t want to play ball, so Canelo vacated his title, in order to ensure a fight between himself and the Kazakh is orchestrated on his terms.

I’m led to believe that the WBC usually charge sanctioning fees for their commemorative belts, so perhaps Mauricio Sulaimán wanted a piece of the action by charging fees for the belt itself, coupled with any officials that they require to attend the bout, even though Chavez Jr. and Canelo aren’t actually fighting for a version of their world title.

If what I’ve written is correct, and I’m confident that it is, then I wholly appreciate Canelo’s reasons to refuse to line the pockets of the head honchos at the WBC, hence his refusal to the Cinco De Mayo belt.

In simple terms, the WBC say to Canelo, “we’ve made you a lovely belt in order to receive a huge sanctioning fee from yourself and Chavez Jr, even though we did this off our own back knowing full-well that this was a catchweight fight without any official world titles on the line”… and Alvarez’s response is “No! Píss off you greedy fúckérs!”

EO is here again with his garbage.

Golovkin defeated Rubio who was WBC Interim champ and thus a mandatory for a real champion. Naturally, Golovkin got that belt and mandatory position.

The WBC “decided” to elevate the fight between Golovkin and Rubio for their interim title, essentially a title eliminator, with the ultimate objective was their hope that GGG would eventually face the winner of Canelo-Cotto, which concurs with the content of the post you quoted and challenged me on.

Allowing a fighter holding a world title from another organisation to be recognised and become a mandatory challenger for their title, is highly unusual for the WBC. They clearly made an exception for GGG, because they were trying to orchestrate a title unification super-fight, which guarantees them massive sanctioning fees.

Can you please provide other examples where world champions from the WBA, WBO & the IBF was awarded an opportunity to compete for the WBC interim title, which subsequently made them the mandatory challenger for the full-blown official WBC title?

Please read the following article and get back to me with an apology:

"Sulaiman: Golovkin-Rubio Winner in Line For Cotto"

World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman has confirmed that Marco Antonio Rubio's WBC interim-middleweight title will be at stake when he faces on WBA/IBO champion Gennady Golovkin (30-0, 27KOs) on October 18th at the StubHub Center in Carson, California.

"We have decided that the fight between Golovkin and Rubio will be a unification, both are world champions and the council decided that it's a title unification bout," said Sulaiman. "The winner of this fight would go against Cotto, who could make a [voluntary] defense [of his title] at the end of the year, which is still undetermined."

"It will be a great fight and it's very good for the division which has excellent world champions. Rubio is our champion, he is a great fighter and he will face another very prominent world champion, which speaks volumes about the high level of this division."

Note: Marco Antonio Rubio held the interim WBC World middleweight title when he fought Golovkin.

You tried to undermine my entire post that contained multiple points, by attacking one small detail, in an effort to discredit the entirety of my opinion. I have addressed your challenge by providing facts to justify my claims.

I think it’s time for you to concede that I know my stuff, don’t you?

[darkstar81]

It's a pointless belt, and if they are charging sanctioning fees in order to have it I'd tell WBC to fornicate off too!

[Boxing Prospect]

WBC also ordered Kovalev vs Stevenson for all the marbles iirc..

[crusader]

Ya, Canelo has just been treated sooooo poorly by the WBC

[asdfjkl]

The WBC is messing up time over time again and again, Povetkin should also have been champion ages ago.

[gilgamesh]

It's a pointless belt, and if they are charging sanctioning fees in order to have it I'd tell WBC to eff off too!

Same here. The belt would be all well and good if it were simply a prize for the winner, but if you have to pay a sanctioning fee for what ultimately amounts to a meaningless belt I'd definitely be telling 'em to f*ck off as well.

[crusader]

Is there a sanctioning fee?

[gilgamesh]

I don't know for sure, but I'd bet there probably is.

[RScarf1]

The WBC is publicizing this fight. I think they are entitled to some compensation, but not to the level of a sanctioning fee.

[klitoris]

Canelita is crying that WBC made him fight scary Gennady.
What a pu$$y...

[boxing_rocks]

Is there a sanctioning fee?

NO, Sulaiman clearly said that.

[boxing_rocks]

I don't think that Canelo’s actions are that unreasonable.

The vast majority of the time, the WBC refuse to recognise fighters holding world titles from rival governing bodies. No one complains about this.

However, the WBC made an exception for Golovkin, because of the lure of the mega-money to be obtained from a super-fight involving the winner of Canelo-Cotto versus GGG.

The WBC then tried to impose the terms of the super-fight between Canelo & Golovkin, such as the purse split and the deadline for the bout, with Alvarez having his title taken away from him if he didn’t play along with their demands.

Understandably, Golden Boy didn’t want to play ball, so Canelo vacated his title, in order to ensure a fight between himself and the Kazakh is orchestrated on his terms.

I’m led to believe that the WBC usually charge sanctioning fees for their commemorative belts, so perhaps Mauricio Sulaimán wanted a piece of the action by charging fees for the belt itself, coupled with any officials that they require to attend the bout, even though Chavez Jr. and Canelo aren’t actually fighting for a version of their world title.

If what I’ve written is correct, and I’m confident that it is, then I wholly appreciate Canelo’s reasons to refuse to line the pockets of the head honchos at the WBC, hence his refusal to the Cinco De Mayo belt.

In simple terms, the WBC say to Canelo, “we’ve made you a lovely belt in order to receive a huge sanctioning fee from yourself and Chavez Jr, even though we did this off our own back knowing full-well that this was a catchweight fight without any official world titles on the line”… and Alvarez’s response is “No! Píss off you greedy fúckérs!”

EO is here again with his garbage.

Golovkin defeated Rubio who was WBC Interim champ and thus a mandatory for a real champion. Naturally, Golovkin got that belt and mandatory position.

The WBC “decided” to elevate the fight between Golovkin and Rubio for their interim title, essentially a title eliminator, with the ultimate objective was their hope that GGG would eventually face the winner of Canelo-Cotto, which concurs with the content of the post you quoted and challenged me on.

Allowing a fighter holding a world title from another organisation to be recognised and become a mandatory challenger for their title, is highly unusual for the WBC. They clearly made an exception for GGG, because they were trying to orchestrate a title unification super-fight, which guarantees them massive sanctioning fees.

Can you please provide other examples where world champions from the WBA, WBO & the IBF was awarded an opportunity to compete for the WBC interim title, which subsequently made them the mandatory challenger for the full-blown official WBC title?

Please read the following article and get back to me with an apology:

"Sulaiman: Golovkin-Rubio Winner in Line For Cotto"

World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman has confirmed that Marco Antonio Rubio's WBC interim-middleweight title will be at stake when he faces on WBA/IBO champion Gennady Golovkin (30-0, 27KOs) on October 18th at the StubHub Center in Carson, California.

"We have decided that the fight between Golovkin and Rubio will be a unification, both are world champions and the council decided that it's a title unification bout," said Sulaiman. "The winner of this fight would go against Cotto, who could make a [voluntary] defense [of his title] at the end of the year, which is still undetermined."

"It will be a great fight and it's very good for the division which has excellent world champions. Rubio is our champion, he is a great fighter and he will face another very prominent world champion, which speaks volumes about the high level of this division."

Note: Marco Antonio Rubio held the interim WBC World middleweight title when he fought Golovkin.

You tried to undermine my entire post that contained multiple points, by attacking one small detail, in an effort to discredit the entirety of my opinion. I have addressed your challenge by providing facts to justify my claims.

I think it’s time for you to concede that I know my stuff, don’t you?

You undermine your own posts by being a biased moron.

[verlichte]

EO is here again with his garbage.

Golovkin defeated Rubio who was WBC Interim champ and thus a mandatory for a real champion. Naturally, Golovkin got that belt and mandatory position.

The WBC “decided” to elevate the fight between Golovkin and Rubio for their interim title, essentially a title eliminator, with the ultimate objective was their hope that GGG would eventually face the winner of Canelo-Cotto, which concurs with the content of the post you quoted and challenged me on.

Allowing a fighter holding a world title from another organisation to be recognised and become a mandatory challenger for their title, is highly unusual for the WBC. They clearly made an exception for GGG, because they were trying to orchestrate a title unification super-fight, which guarantees them massive sanctioning fees.

Can you please provide other examples where world champions from the WBA, WBO & the IBF was awarded an opportunity to compete for the WBC interim title, which subsequently made them the mandatory challenger for the full-blown official WBC title?

Please read the following article and get back to me with an apology:

"Sulaiman: Golovkin-Rubio Winner in Line For Cotto"

World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman has confirmed that Marco Antonio Rubio's WBC interim-middleweight title will be at stake when he faces on WBA/IBO champion Gennady Golovkin (30-0, 27KOs) on October 18th at the StubHub Center in Carson, California.

"We have decided that the fight between Golovkin and Rubio will be a unification, both are world champions and the council decided that it's a title unification bout," said Sulaiman. "The winner of this fight would go against Cotto, who could make a [voluntary] defense [of his title] at the end of the year, which is still undetermined."

"It will be a great fight and it's very good for the division which has excellent world champions. Rubio is our champion, he is a great fighter and he will face another very prominent world champion, which speaks volumes about the high level of this division."

Note: Marco Antonio Rubio held the interim WBC World middleweight title when he fought Golovkin.

You tried to undermine my entire post that contained multiple points, by attacking one small detail, in an effort to discredit the entirety of my opinion. I have addressed your challenge by providing facts to justify my claims.

I think it’s time for you to concede that I know my stuff, don’t you?

You undermine your own posts by being a biased moron.

So you concede that my claims are correct? Thanks for that.

I would have preferred that you defend your original claims, but it seems that you're powerless to do so, which is a shame.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Canelo explains, that from the moment his fight with Chavez Jr. was announced - the WBC was pushing to get involved with the fight.

After Canelo and his team rejected the advances of WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman, the sanctioning body announced that they created a commemorative WBC "Huichol" belt - which they planned to present to the winner of this contest.

According to Canelo, the Huichol belt was nothing more than a strategy by the WBC to gain promotional for their personal interests.

"From the very beginning, the WBC wanted to get involved with this fight, and when we as a team said 'no, it's not going to happen, there is no WBC, it's not for a world title' - we knew that at some point something was going to come up. We spoke to Mr. Sulaiman and told him that he was not going to be involved. He then came up with this Huichol belt and I knew that he was going to use that against me in a negative way, to make me look like the bad guy - that I want nothing to do with the Huichols," Canelo stated.

"That not true, quite the contrary. My entire attire is made by Huichols. Since I've been 14 years old, I've been friends with people from the Huichol culture. All of my fights in Nayarit, they were there. My attire is being made by them, they have been invited, there is a Huichol fighter in my gym. This was just to be done to make me look like a bad guy."

"This was done [by the WBC] with other interests, there is a company there on the belt. [The belt has] been going through a tour, conferences, exhibits at the hotels."

Canelo confirms that his beef with the WBC is stemming from last year's disagreement over the mandatory defense against Gennady Golovkin. The Mexican boxer states that Sulaiman was pressuring him to make a decision to fight Golovkin - and only gave him 15 days to make up his mind. During that time period, Canelo was on trial in Miami over a contractual dispute with his former promoter Tuto Zabala of All Star Boxing. Canelo's handlers attempted to extend the 15 day time period, Sulaiman refused. Canelo responded by vacating the WBC title - which the sanctioning body gave over to Golovkin, who at the time held the interim-belt.

"[Sulaiman] was pressuring me on a 15 day basis to make a decision on this fight with Golovkin, when I had some problems in Miami. You guys know about that. I can't attend one thing and another at the same time. He made it seem like I was afraid of Golovkin, so I gave up the belt. So that's why they are not involved, not now," Canelo said.

"I just want you know one thing. I won that title based on sacrifice, based on training, based on balls, based on hard work and discipline and beating a great fighter in Miguel Cotto - so that [Sulaiman] can turn around and hand over it to a guy who didn't even work out or train in the gym, didn't even break a sweat, didn't even fight to earn that belt. So you're going to tell me that's respectful?"

http://www.BS.com/canelo-expla ... LfGDV.dpuf

[caldo2025]

The bigger problem with this situation is that Canelo is already assuming the Floyd crown and it appears he's not planning to do anything differently than Floyd. If Floyd's run, he held the belts but didn't face one mandatory challenge and was never stripped of his titles like he should have been. Canelo feels that he's in the same position now and will not allow any of them to dictate who he fights and when. Who entitled him is the real question. Beating 2 WWs and a soft SW champ shouldn't bring that kind of clout.

I am really hopeful that Jr can get his act together and bring Canelo down to earth.