Did Wlad deliberately let Joshua get away?

[verlichte]

Klitschko didn’t too hard try to finish off Joshua in the sixth round, for two reasons:

• Wladimir believed that AJ would run out of gas during the late stages of the fight, which was a bit of a gamble
• Wladimir was pretty exhausted himself after being forced to climb off the deck during the previous round, so he refrained from taking a risk that could have resulted in him punching himself out

The post-fight press conference confirms this and there’s no reason to believe that there is any dishonesty in Wladimir’s words.

Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko both made mistakes in last Saturday’s fight, they they’re unlikely to repeat in the rematch.

[punchoutsb]

And yet all of these were on point in this fight.

Confirmed. You didn't notice the man's performance

They were clearly diminished from his best form. Confirmed. Your jealousy doesn't permit you to think rationally.

How on earth is that confirmed? Clearly diminished? Christ.

So randomly writing confirmed doesn't make something true? Looks like you should have thought of that before writing it on your tripey drippings of a post. Or you can just keep on believing that after 20+ years in the game, 18 months of inactivity and nearly 70 fights that a fighter randomly entered his prime ya buffoon

[Bard of Boxrec]

They were clearly diminished from his best form. Confirmed. Your jealousy doesn't permit you to think rationally.

How on earth is that confirmed? Clearly diminished? Christ.

So randomly writing confirmed doesn't make something true? Looks like you should have thought of that before writing it on your tripey drippings of a post. Or you can just keep on believing that after 20+ years in the game, 18 months of inactivity and nearly 70 fights that a fighter randomly entered his prime ya buffoon

Or you can just use your eyes and see the simple fact that all those attributes you listed that have supposedly declined for wlad really haven't at all I could even go through the fight and pick out specific moments that demonstrate good timing, crunching power, precision, and compare it to some of wlads prime moments. I could go to town and make a whole post with gifs and everything. Maybe I will.

"But he's 41! Beep boop ..prior stats and data suggest this cannot be happening" . Well, surprising as it is, and as much of an anomaly it is, it's true. You're allowed to believe it and accept it.

[Impractical Poster]

First of all, Wlad did not deliberately let Joshua off the hook. He was most likely still clearing the cobwebs from the round prior.

Anyway, I am of the same belief as Riddick in that Wlad looked in the best shape of his life. Last time he was this active, he hit a wall against Brewster and got KOed. He was in tremendous shape for this one. He was moving extremely well, putting his punches together, and was very well conditioned. He knew he would have to be top shape and had plenty of time to get there for AJ. He was no where near as stationary as he usually is, and was not clinching nearly as much. It was a beautiful effort by Wlad. But, once AJ found his second wind, it turned into a bad night for Wlad.

[Oiky]

No I don't think Wlad let Joshua get away, I think Wlad was in career best shape tbh

I think Wlad done his absolute best and despite being in career best shape and looking phenomenal, I think he struggled to pull the trigger when it really matter i.e. when he had him hurt & shouldl've stayed on him

Not saying he was shot in any way whatsoever, he was in amazing shape but whatever shape and condition you are in and how good you are looking at 41 its still going to be tough to keep up a pace and Wlad nearly kept up the pace that blasted Joshua out of there, if he'd of had just that little bit more then Wlad wouldl've had the W last Sat

I think Wlad should take the rematch tbh but ONLY if he believes he can capitalise and make good on the things he didn't last fight i.e. letting Joshua off the hook, but can he get in that shape and condition again for a second time? If he believes he can why not? Wlad hasn't had a career where is has taken too much unnessecary punishment, but I also wouldln't have a prob if Wlad hung em up , he hasn't got anything to prove

[punchoutsb]

How on earth is that confirmed? Clearly diminished? Christ.

So randomly writing confirmed doesn't make something true? Looks like you should have thought of that before writing it on your tripey drippings of a post. Or you can just keep on believing that after 20+ years in the game, 18 months of inactivity and nearly 70 fights that a fighter randomly entered his prime ya buffoon

Or you can just use your eyes and see the simple fact that all those attributes you listed that have supposedly declined for wlad really haven't at all I could even go through the fight and pick out specific moments that demonstrate good timing, crunching power, precision, and compare it to some of wlads prime moments. I could go to town and make a whole post with gifs and everything. Maybe I will.

"But he's 41! Beep boop ..prior stats and data suggest this cannot be happening" . Well, surprising as it is, and as much of an anomaly it is, it's true. You're allowed to believe it and accept it.

You're just as wrong now as you were when you were also 100% certain that Wlad experience would make no difference

But hey, if pre-prime Wlad was able to dominate a division for 10 years, I'm definitely interested to see what 40+ year old, 20+ year veteran Wlad can do

I guess you forgot about the whole "styles make fights" thing, eh? AJ and his style are built for Wlad--a younger, faster, sharper, and more powerful Wlad stops him just like he did most everyone else. The fact that Wlad *still* had success against AJ is due to the fact that Wlad is a GREAT HW and that AJ's style is a good matchup for him. You can't see this because your hatred blinded moron, and that's ok. You have the right to be wrong, and I'm glad to see you consistently exercise that right to the fullest measure.

[Bard of Boxrec]

So randomly writing confirmed doesn't make something true? Looks like you should have thought of that before writing it on your tripey drippings of a post. Or you can just keep on believing that after 20+ years in the game, 18 months of inactivity and nearly 70 fights that a fighter randomly entered his prime ya buffoon

Or you can just use your eyes and see the simple fact that all those attributes you listed that have supposedly declined for wlad really haven't at all I could even go through the fight and pick out specific moments that demonstrate good timing, crunching power, precision, and compare it to some of wlads prime moments. I could go to town and make a whole post with gifs and everything. Maybe I will.

"But he's 41! Beep boop ..prior stats and data suggest this cannot be happening" . Well, surprising as it is, and as much of an anomaly it is, it's true. You're allowed to believe it and accept it.

You're just as wrong now as you were when you were also 100% certain that Wlad experience would make no difference

But hey, if pre-prime Wlad was able to dominate a division for 10 years, I'm definitely interested to see what 40+ year old, 20+ year veteran Wlad can do

I guess you forgot about the whole "styles make fights" thing, eh? AJ and his style are built for Wlad--a younger, faster, sharper, and more powerful Wlad stops him just like he did most everyone else. The fact that Wlad *still* had success against AJ is due to the fact that Wlad is a GREAT HW and that AJ's style is a good matchup for him. You can't see this because your hatred blinded moron, and that's ok. You have the right to be wrong, and I'm glad to see you consistently exercise that right to the fullest measure.

So angry. So devastated. In the words of Andre Ward - 'Not a good look for you bro!'

[punchoutsb]

Or you can just use your eyes and see the simple fact that all those attributes you listed that have supposedly declined for wlad really haven't at all I could even go through the fight and pick out specific moments that demonstrate good timing, crunching power, precision, and compare it to some of wlads prime moments. I could go to town and make a whole post with gifs and everything. Maybe I will.

"But he's 41! Beep boop ..prior stats and data suggest this cannot be happening" . Well, surprising as it is, and as much of an anomaly it is, it's true. You're allowed to believe it and accept it.

You're just as wrong now as you were when you were also 100% certain that Wlad experience would make no difference

But hey, if pre-prime Wlad was able to dominate a division for 10 years, I'm definitely interested to see what 40+ year old, 20+ year veteran Wlad can do

I guess you forgot about the whole "styles make fights" thing, eh? AJ and his style are built for Wlad--a younger, faster, sharper, and more powerful Wlad stops him just like he did most everyone else. The fact that Wlad *still* had success against AJ is due to the fact that Wlad is a GREAT HW and that AJ's style is a good matchup for him. You can't see this because your hatred blinded moron, and that's ok. You have the right to be wrong, and I'm glad to see you consistently exercise that right to the fullest measure.

So angry. So devastated. In the words of Andre Ward - 'Not a good look for you bro!'

Neither angry nor devastated. I predicted AJ W KO 3. I was treated to a spectacular fight between two Heavies I enjoy watching. Wlad had more left in the tank than I thought, despite clearly being past his best. You just couldn't see it since you were too busy fiddling yourself to the thought of his experience being meaningless

[Bard of Boxrec]

OK, I'm sure when folks call someone a HATRED BLINDED MORON!!! they generally do it calmly.

[Tony1244]

No.

[punchoutsb]

OK, I'm sure when folks call someone a HATRED BLINDED MORON!!! they generally do it calmly.

Pity and rage are not the same thing

[Bard of Boxrec]

OK, I'm sure when folks call someone a HATRED BLINDED MORON!!! they generally do it calmly.

Pity and rage are not the same thing

You pity me for congratulating Wlad on his best win ever? You need to get laid or something.

[punchoutsb]

OK, I'm sure when folks call someone a HATRED BLINDED MORON!!! they generally do it calmly.

Pity and rage are not the same thing

You pity me for congratulating Wlad on his best win ever? You need to get laid or something.

Thanks for the offer, but I'm good

And Wlad didn't win.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Pity and rage are not the same thing

You pity me for congratulating Wlad on his best win ever? You need to get laid or something.

Thanks for the offer, but I'm good

And Wlad didn't win.

Great, reduced to picking up on typos. Actually, it didn't even need to be a typo. Wlad did win overall! Here I am praising the guy, and you're attacking me piteously for it. Quite a turn of events!

[Counter-puncher]

You pity me for congratulating Wlad on his best win ever? You need to get laid or something.

Thanks for the offer, but I'm good

And Wlad didn't win.

Great, reduced to picking up on typos. Actually, it didn't even need to be a typo. Wlad did win overall! Here I am praising the guy, and you're attacking me piteously for it. Quite a turn of events!

what did you mean to type, that accidentally came out as the typo 'win'?

[Bard of Boxrec]

Thanks for the offer, but I'm good

And Wlad didn't win.

Great, reduced to picking up on typos. Actually, it didn't even need to be a typo. Wlad did win overall! Here I am praising the guy, and you're attacking me piteously for it. Quite a turn of events!

what did you mean to type, that accidentally came out as the typo 'win'?

performance :)

[Counter-puncher]

fornicating iphones, eh?

[punchoutsb]

You pity me for congratulating Wlad on his best win ever? You need to get laid or something.

Thanks for the offer, but I'm good

And Wlad didn't win.

Great, reduced to picking up on typos. Actually, it didn't even need to be a typo. Wlad did win overall! Here I am praising the guy, and you're attacking me piteously for it. Quite a turn of events!

Continue to praise him it was a great performance, good for you for starting to come out of your shell. Now a few basic biology courses and an un-biased review of Wlad's career and you're one the right track to understanding that a great performance =/= prime

[Bard of Boxrec]

Thanks for the offer, but I'm good

And Wlad didn't win.

Great, reduced to picking up on typos. Actually, it didn't even need to be a typo. Wlad did win overall! Here I am praising the guy, and you're attacking me piteously for it. Quite a turn of events!

Continue to praise him it was a great performance, good for you for starting to come out of your shell. Now a few basic biology courses and an un-biased review of Wlad's career and you're one the right track to understanding that a great performance =/= prime

Well, it took you the entire thread to understand what my position was but you got there in the end. Hallelujah! And then you ruin it by continuing to flog your dead 'Wlad was shot' horse. You were so close to making a reasonable post!

[Bard of Boxrec]

The funny thing is you've managed to get in such a state you fail to understand that I never said Wlad was in his prime at all. I said it was his best performance and on this night, he showed attributes that matched those of his prime. Do I think he can go back to the well again after this? (or just carry on as he is, if I actually believed he was in his prime) Nope. Do I think he can reign for another 10 years, as you seem to think I implied? Errr, no. So I guess that was your last perceived falsehood of mine quashed. sorry

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The funny thing is you've managed to get in such a state you fail to understand that I never said Wlad was in his prime at all. I said it was his best performance and on this night, he showed attributes that matched those of his prime. Do I think he can go back to the well again after this? (or just carry on as he is, if I actually believed he was in his prime) Nope. Do I think he can reign for another 10 years, as you seem to think I implied? Errr, no. So I guess that was your last perceived falsehood of mine quashed. sorry

I just think his longtime fans don't want his longtime detractors giving him props. This certainly shows what he's capable of and what I always thought he was capable of(offensively, I didn't think he was tough enough to come back like that) and is the absolute main reason I hated him in the first place.

[Bard of Boxrec]

The funny thing is you've managed to get in such a state you fail to understand that I never said Wlad was in his prime at all. I said it was his best performance and on this night, he showed attributes that matched those of his prime. Do I think he can go back to the well again after this? (or just carry on as he is, if I actually believed he was in his prime) Nope. Do I think he can reign for another 10 years, as you seem to think I implied? Errr, no. So I guess that was your last perceived falsehood of mine quashed. sorry

I just think his longtime fans don't want his longtime detractors giving him props. This certainly shows what he's capable of and what I always thought he was capable of(offensively, I didn't think he was tough enough to come back like that) and is the absolute main reason I hated him in the first place.

Absolutely, some people think I'd only be doing this to elevate Joshua's win, who it's no secret I'm a big fan of, and it probably seems to them there would have been no chance at all that I'd be crediting Wlad if Klit had got the job done!

However, as I said earlier in the thread, I'd been waiting and hoping his whole career for him to show something that was worthy of the ATG praise he has been getting from some quarters. While I still don't accept him as an ATG, he's finally showed what he can do in a real fight against a real opponent. I'm glad for him.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The funny thing is you've managed to get in such a state you fail to understand that I never said Wlad was in his prime at all. I said it was his best performance and on this night, he showed attributes that matched those of his prime. Do I think he can go back to the well again after this? (or just carry on as he is, if I actually believed he was in his prime) Nope. Do I think he can reign for another 10 years, as you seem to think I implied? Errr, no. So I guess that was your last perceived falsehood of mine quashed. sorry

I just think his longtime fans don't want his longtime detractors giving him props. This certainly shows what he's capable of and what I always thought he was capable of(offensively, I didn't think he was tough enough to come back like that) and is the absolute main reason I hated him in the first place.

Absolutely, some people think I'd only be doing this to elevate Joshua's win, who it's no secret I'm a big fan of, and it probably seems to them there would have been no chance at all that I'd be crediting Wlad if Klit had got the job done!

However, as I said earlier in the thread, I'd been waiting and hoping his whole career for him to show something that was worthy of the ATG praise he has been getting from some quarters. While I still don't accept him as an ATG, he's finally showed what he can do in a real fight against a real opponent. I'm glad for him.

I think he would have benefitted from a better era full of guys that could bring him out of his shell. I never would have thought that before this fight.

[crusader]

Ok, so at 41 Wlad was just in pretty much his best shape ever, showed loads of abilities to a greater extent than he had before, and had all his power and precision there.

It's not hard to see what's being suggested--basically that at 41, and inactive for 18 months, Wlad achieved his peak against AJ. BTW, best fight doesn't necessarily = peak

[SaadOffTheDeck]