The Top 100 Greatest Boxers of All-Time

[elmersalsa]

Good evening, folks!

Here is a look of my view of the 100 ATG pound per pound prize fighters that I believe that fought for pay since 1882. My list, like any other, is SUBJECTIVE. I got two ATG pound per pound 100 lists. One for the end of the 20th century and the other list is the one that I am about to show now. Some great fighters in my view that were in my list of the end of the 29th century, for example, Aaron Pryor and John L. Sullivan, are out of it. We are in the year 2017 now, and some TERRIFIC fighters have come since the year 2000. Maybe, seventeen years from now, I will probably have a different list. That happens in the evolution of time. But, it would be very hard right now to call some of these top boxers great even if they win 5 crowns in 5 different classes. Boxing to me, looks kind of DILUTED now. Too many champions. Too many weight classes and too much politics. The best don't fight against the best. Neither the interest in boxing is there anymore like years ago. At least that's what I see in my eyes.

My criteria is different from many. I take into consideration:
1. Achievements
2. Historical Impact
3. Longevity and Durability
4. Quality of opposition
5. Weight division dominance
6. Contributions and Influence in the sport
7. What the fighter meant to the sport of boxing
8. World Championship Boxing Record/Title Defenses

A request for my friend Ambling Alp II, I have promised him that I was gonna put that list to see. I have studied boxers for a long time, and I am surprised of their feats and records. Some of their records were so exceptional that is hard to block them into consideration. I have learned from many posters. I don't call myself a boxing expert, BUT, I KNOW WHAT I KNOW. I know what I am talking about. Let's debate with COURTESY.

With no further due, these boxers, to me, are the top 100 ATG pound per pound ever:

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Roberto Duran
5. Willie Pep
6. Harry Greb
7. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Louis
11. Joe Gans
12. Bob Fitzsimmons
13. Archie Moore
14. Benny Leonard
15. Jack Johnson
16. Tony Canzoneri
17. Carlos Monzon
18. Sugar Ray Leonard
19. Mickey Walker
20. Jimmy Wilde
21. Sandy Saddler
22. Pernell Whitaker
23. Manny Pacquiao
24. Emile Griffith
25. Julio Cesar Chavez
26. Eder Jofre
27. Rocky Marciano
28. Jack Dempsey
29. Stanley Ketchel
30. Alexis Arguello
31. Barney Ross
32. Ike Williams
33. Evander Holyfield
34. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
35. Gene Tunney
36. Panama Al Brown
37. Kid Gavilan
38. Jimmy McLarnin
39. Terry McGovern
40. Tommy Loughran

[RoyRJ]

I liked it. not bad at all.

[elmersalsa]

Good evening, folks!

Here is a look of my view of the 100 ATG pound per pound prize fighters that I believe that fought for pay since 1882. My list, like any other, is SUBJECTIVE. I got two ATG pound per pound 100 lists. One for the end of the 20th century and the other list is the one that I am about to show now. Some great fighters in my view that were in my list of the end of the 29th century, for example, Aaron Pryor and John L. Sullivan, are out of it. We are in the year 2017 now, and some TERRIFIC fighters have come since the year 2000. Maybe, seventeen years from now, I will probably have a different list. That happens in the evolution of time. But, it would be very hard right now to call some of these top boxers great even if they win 5 crowns in 5 different classes. Boxing to me, looks kind of DILUTED now. Too many champions. Too many weight classes and too much politics. The best don't fight against the best. Neither the interest in boxing is there anymore like years ago. At least that's what I see in my eyes.

My criteria is different from many. I take into consideration:
1. Achievements
2. Historical Impact
3. Longevity and Durability
4. Quality of opposition
5. Weight division dominance
6. Contributions and Influence in the sport
7. What the fighter meant to the sport of boxing
8. World Championship Boxing Record/Title Defenses

A request for my friend Ambling Alp II, I have promised him that I was gonna put that list to see. I have studied boxers for a long time, and I am surprised of their feats and records. Some of their records were so exceptional that is hard to block them into consideration. I have learned from many posters. I don't call myself a boxing expert, BUT, I KNOW WHAT I KNOW. I know what I am talking about. Let's debate with COURTESY.

With no further due, these boxers, to me, are the top 100 ATG pound per pound ever:

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Roberto Duran
5. Willie Pep
6. Harry Greb
7. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Louis
11. Joe Gans
12. Bob Fitzsimmons
13. Archie Moore
14. Benny Leonard
15. Jack Johnson
16. Tony Canzoneri
17. Carlos Monzon
18. Sugar Ray Leonard
19. Mickey Walker
20. Jimmy Wilde
21. Sandy Saddler
22. Pernell Whitaker
23. Manny Pacquiao
24. Emile Griffith
25. Julio Cesar Chavez
26. Eder Jofre
27. Rocky Marciano
28. Jack Dempsey
29. Stanley Ketchel
30. Alexis Arguello
31. Barney Ross
32. Ike Williams
33. Evander Holyfield
34. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
35. Gene Tunney
36. Panama Al Brown
37. Kid Gavilan
38. Jimmy McLarnin
39. Terry McGovern
40. Tommy Loughran
41. George Foreman
42. Kid Chocolate
43. Larry Holmes
44. Dick Tiger
45. Salvador Sanchez
46. Ruben Olivares
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Joe Frazier
49. Jake LaMotta
50. Carmen Basilio
51. Thomas Hearns
52. Pascual Perez
53. Barbados Joe Walcott
54. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
55. Fighting Harada
56. Billy Conn
57. Maxie Rosenbloom
58. Fidel La Barba
59. Wilfredo Gomez
60. Charley Burley
61. Battling Battalino
62. Michael Spinks
63. Freddie Miller
64. Roy Jones, Jr.
65. Jack "Kid" Berg
66. Juan Manuel Marquez
67. Miguel Canto
68. Jimmy Barry
69. Carlos Zarate
70. Carlos Ortiz
71. Packey McFarland
72. Wilfred Benitez
73. Bob Foster
74. Pancho Villa
75. Marco Antonio Barrera
76. Manuel Ortiz
77. Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
78. George Dixon
79. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
80. Azumah Nelson
81. Holman Williams
82. Beau Jack
83. Peter Jackson
84. Ted "Kid" Lewis
85. Joe Brown
86. Tiger Flowers
87. Abe Attell
88. Georges Carpentier
89. Mike McCallum
90. Tommy Ryan
91. Jack Britton
92. Benny Lynch
93. Eusebio Pedroza
94. Gene Fullmer
95. Vicente Saldivar
96. Sonny Liston
97. Mike Tyson
98. Jersey Joe Walcott
99. Marcel Cerdan
100. Khoasai Galaxy

[elmersalsa]

Honorary Mention...They Didn't Make It:

John L. Sullivan...It's the 21st Century now. Not the 19th nor 20th century anymore. Too many boxers have come and gone since the last time he stepped out of the ring. Sorry, Johnny!

Erik "El Terrible" Morales...Maybe I am crazy that he is not in, but if anyone thinks he should be in the top 100, I wouldn't argue about that. He got the CREDENTIALS.

Aaron Pryor: The 20th century was your time inside this list. Just Say No!

Tony Zale....We can't sleep only in the 20th century. Too many boxers gave come by.

Jack Delaney....He has a case, just like Erik Morales.

Owen Moran....The same as John L.

Les Darcy....Died too soon.

Young Corbett III...Beat a lot of great boxers and champions. However, wasn't a great long reigning champion.

Midget Wolgast....No problem if you want to include him in top 100.

Billy Petrolle....Great boxer that beat lots of great boxers of his time.

Baby Arizmendi....Beat the great Henry Armstrong twice. A borderline top 100 ATG.

Jimmy Bivins.....Hard to argue his place. At least he is in the IBHOF

Young Griffo....Too many NDs

Johnny Dundee....Fought over 300 fights. But not a serious win against a great fighter?

Felix "Tito" Trinidad.....Was VERY HOT at the beginning of superstardom. Was supposed to unseat greats like Wilfredo Gomez, Carlos Ortiz and Wilfred Benitez at the rate that he wad going. But somebody by the name of Bernard Hopkins made him see reality. He really wasn't that good.

Oscar De LaHoya....The superstar of the late 90s and 2000s decade. Broke pay per view records of boxing due to his charismatic appeal, good looks and upright personality. Can't dislike him. He was a CREDIT TO THE GAME. But, he FLUNKED in the biggest fights of his career. You all know the fights: vs Felix Trinidad, vs Shane Mosley, vs Floyd Mayweather, Jr, vs Bernard Hopkins, vs Pacman vs.....You get the point?

[elmersalsa]

Others that didn't make it:
Floyd Patterson
Lennox Lewis
Ismael Laguna
Ken Buchanan
Bob Montgomery
Sammy Angott
Charles "Kid" McCoy
Harold Johnson
Jeff Fenech
Shane Mosley
Cocoa Kid
Freddie Steele
Fred Apostoli
Myung Woo Yuh
Pete "Kid" Herman

Now, you see why Oscar De La Hoya didn't make it? Too many great boxers in here

[Ambling Alp II]

I have always known why De La Hoya isn't in your Top 100; you don't like him.
You count losses against when he was past it; yet won't give him credit for wins against Chavez and Whitaker.
That is clear bias.

Lets take a look at your top 100. Obviously everyone in here was at least a good fighter, some great, some really great. Any criticisms are made in comparison to the others.

Duran at #4 is way too high. He has one win over fighters in your top 100. But of course, you worship him.

Mayweather at #7? that deserves a WTF. His victim's list compared to anyone in the top 20 is a joke. He is borderline Top 30.

Marciano at #27 and Demspey at #28 are too high.
Ike Williams a t#31 is too high. Then again, you always liked Williams.
Basilio at #52? He is borerline Top 100, nowhere near #50. He "failed" way too many times.
Marquez at 66? Way too high. He is borderline Top 100.
Conn at # 56 is about 20 spots too high.
Carpentier at #88? He has no business being in the Top 100
Walcott shouldn't in the Top 100 either.


Now onto the underrated:
Ray Leonard at #18. What a joke. Just because you hate him (stop pretending otherwise) he is only rate 18. Leonard has 4 wins over fighters in your own Top 100. How many guys do you have rated a head of him have that many? I believe only five. He has more wins over fighters in your own Top 100 than Duran, Pep, Langford, and Gans combined. Ray Leonard is a no question about Top 10 fighter of all time.

Hearns is only #51? WTF? That is at least 20 spots too low.
Spinks at #62? He is Top 30.
Benitez only #72? Again, at least 20 spots too low.

It's ridiclous that you have Walcott in your Top 100 but not Lennox Lewis Lewis. Jack Dempsey is Top 30 but Lewis isn't even Top 100?You love to point out Lewis' losses. Take a look at Walcott's. But then again, you don't like Lewis.

It makes no sense for Marquez to be #66, Barrera to be #75, and then not rate Morales at all. Morales and Barrera are about as even as tow fighters can be. There should not be one spot between them. They were both a little better than Marquez.

Harold Johnson isn't even an honorable mention? Come on.

Which brings us to De La Hoya. There are several fighters you have listed that I could argue that he was better than.
I will just mention the obvious.
De La Hoya was a better fighter than Carpentier. What could the argument for Carpetnier possibly be? It's not even close.

Jersey Joe Walcott? You mock De La hoya for failing against Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, take a frikkin look at Walcott? Abe Simon? Rex Layne?
Basilio - Take a look at his losses, not just the win over an ancient Robinson.
Pascual Perez? Who did he ever beat that was worth mentioning?

[Crease]

Mayweather is ranked too high, that stands out for me initially.

[Ezzard]

Like your criteria and your list. Very interesting.

[elmersalsa]

I have always known why De La Hoya isn't in your Top 100; you don't like him.
You count losses against when he was past it; yet won't give him credit for wins against Chavez and Whitaker.
That is clear bias.

Lets take a look at your top 100. Obviously everyone in here was at least a good fighter, some great, some really great. Any criticisms are made in comparison to the others.

Duran at #4 is way too high. He has one win over fighters in your top 100. But of course, you worship him.

Mayweather at #7? that deserves a WTF. His victim's list compared to anyone in the top 20 is a joke. He is borderline Top 30.

Marciano at #27 and Demspey at #28 are too high.
Ike Williams a t#31 is too high. Then again, you always liked Williams.
Basilio at #52? He is borerline Top 100, nowhere near #50. He "failed" way too many times.
Marquez at 66? Way too high. He is borderline Top 100.
Conn at # 56 is about 20 spots too high.
Carpentier at #88? He has no business being in the Top 100
Walcott shouldn't in the Top 100 either.


Now onto the underrated:
Ray Leonard at #18. What a joke. Just because you hate him (stop pretending otherwise) he is only rate 18. Leonard has 4 wins over fighters in your own Top 100. How many guys do you have rated a head of him have that many? I believe only five. He has more wins over fighters in your own Top 100 than Duran, Pep, Langford, and Gans combined. Ray Leonard is a no question about Top 10 fighter of all time.

Hearns is only #51? WTF? That is at least 20 spots too low.
Spinks at #62? He is Top 30.
Benitez only #72? Again, at least 20 spots too low.

It's ridiclous that you have Walcott in your Top 100 but not Lennox Lewis Lewis. Jack Dempsey is Top 30 but Lewis isn't even Top 100?You love to point out Lewis' losses. Take a look at Walcott's. But then again, you don't like Lewis.

It makes no sense for Marquez to be #66, Barrera to be #75, and then not rate Morales at all. Morales and Barrera are about as even as tow fighters can be. There should not be one spot between them. They were both a little better than Marquez.

Harold Johnson isn't even an honorable mention? Come on.

Which brings us to De La Hoya. There are several fighters you have listed that I could argue that he was better than.
I will just mention the obvious.
De La Hoya was a better fighter than Carpentier. What could the argument for Carpetnier possibly be? It's not even close.

Jersey Joe Walcott? You mock De La hoya for failing against Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, take a frikkin look at Walcott? Abe Simon? Rex Layne?
Basilio - Take a look at his losses, not just the win over an ancient Robinson.
Pascual Perez? Who did he ever beat that was worth mentioning?

Let's refute some questions by Ambling Alp II:

Oscar De La Hoya: beat a SHOT Julio Cesar Chavez. He didn't beat the great Pernell Whitaker. They gave him the fight. When Oscar had to prove that he was all time worthy, HE FLUNKED: L12 Felix "Tito" Trinidad, L12 Shane Mosley, L12 Floyd Mayweather, Jr, LKO9 Bernard Hopkins. And he should be in the top 100? No way! In an era of four champions by weight class, anybody could be a four-time champion. Oscar was a superstar, not an all time great. His antics with Hopkins should take him out of greatness.

Roberto Duran: Why you always got something against the great Roberto Duran? Oh, I see. Because in the biggest night outside the heavyweight championship fight, he beat the great Sugar Ray Leonard. When BOTH were at their very best, Duran whuupped him...End of story. What fighter being considered WASHED UP, won two more world titles above his best weight? Only Duran did it! What fighter in history has won his 4 titles being the UNDERDOG? What fighter have come back after disastrous defeats like Duran? Ex. "No Mas" and the Thomas Hearns Brutal KO? Nobody could have done it better. He is right at number 4. He is top 5. He gotta be!

Thomas Hearns: Great fighter, indeed. He is top 50 in the 20th century as we can see. Not in this era since 2000. Hopkins, Pacman and Pretty Boy were better than he. The PROBLEM with The Hitman was that he lost the 2 BIGGEST FIGHTS OF HIS LIFE: LTKO14 Sugar Ray Leonard and LTKO3 Marvelous Marvin Hagler. Besides that, he got great wins, but not to put him in the best ever category. He is in the top 100 because he's the first man to win 4 titles in 4 weight classifications. That's it!

Sugar Ray Leonard: Great fighter, no doubt. The problem with him was SHORT CAREER. At his weight class, 147lbs is where he had the MAJORITY of his wins. Above welterweight, not much to be desired after beating a FADING MARVELOUS. That crap about 1 fight in 5 years is not alll that impressive. It looked more fishy than not. And it was proven after the Marvelous fight. He didn't had a significant great win after that. Above welterweight didn't suited him well. If he wouldn't retired and fight more, he would've been top ten. But only 40 fights? Not!

Michael Spinks: Only 31 fights. The great Mike Tyson made him see reality that he didn't belong at heavyweight. At light-heavyweight, he was a terrific fighter. He became great by being the only light-heavyweight champion to win a piece of the heavyweight crown. Great feat, but not against a prime great Larry Holmes.


Carmen Basilio: He won two world titles at welterweight and middleweight. With His fierce determination and commitment to the sport with his short limitations in size and skill, he accomplished a lot. He beat a bigger man named Sugar Ray Robinson in a thrilling contest. Delahoya nor Hearns couldn't do that. There's nothing fishy about that win. He cleaned up the welterweight division and challenged Robinson. How about that?

Juan Manuel Marquez: He became an all time great fight when he stopped the great Manny Pacquiao in a slugfest. He couldn't do it by going the distance again. He earned it after 3 fights with the Pacman. Plus, I see his body of work and it's very impressive. He kicked Marco Antonio Barrera ass. But, the fight that he need it was Pacman.

[elmersalsa]

Why hating on the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr?

He was better than the great Muhammad Ali. He was better than the great Ezzard Charles. His body of work is so impressive and outstanding that it can't be ignored. He beat EVERY SINGLE NOTORIOUS FIGHTER OF HIS ERA. He beat lots of fighters from 130lbs all the way to 154lbs! If that ain't impressive, then what is?

He was head and above shoulders than anyone in his era. He proved it. His style was not likable above lightweight, but, he had to do it his way. A complete fighter with a great defense.

And he NEVER LOST A FIGHT. WE CANNOT ARGUE WITH PERFECTION.

The guy is a top ten great boxer.

[Kalan]

Good evening, folks!

Here is a look of my view of the 100 ATG pound per pound prize fighters that I believe that fought for pay since 1882. My list, like any other, is SUBJECTIVE. I got two ATG pound per pound 100 lists. One for the end of the 20th century and the other list is the one that I am about to show now. Some great fighters in my view that were in my list of the end of the 29th century, for example, Aaron Pryor and John L. Sullivan, are out of it. We are in the year 2017 now, and some TERRIFIC fighters have come since the year 2000. Maybe, seventeen years from now, I will probably have a different list. That happens in the evolution of time. But, it would be very hard right now to call some of these top boxers great even if they win 5 crowns in 5 different classes. Boxing to me, looks kind of DILUTED now. Too many champions. Too many weight classes and too much politics. The best don't fight against the best. Neither the interest in boxing is there anymore like years ago. At least that's what I see in my eyes.

My criteria is different from many. I take into consideration:
1. Achievements
2. Historical Impact
3. Longevity and Durability
4. Quality of opposition
5. Weight division dominance
6. Contributions and Influence in the sport
7. What the fighter meant to the sport of boxing
8. World Championship Boxing Record/Title Defenses

A request for my friend Ambling Alp II, I have promised him that I was gonna put that list to see. I have studied boxers for a long time, and I am surprised of their feats and records. Some of their records were so exceptional that is hard to block them into consideration. I have learned from many posters. I don't call myself a boxing expert, BUT, I KNOW WHAT I KNOW. I know what I am talking about. Let's debate with COURTESY.

With no further due, these boxers, to me, are the top 100 ATG pound per pound ever:

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Roberto Duran
5. Willie Pep
6. Harry Greb
7. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Louis
11. Joe Gans
12. Bob Fitzsimmons
13. Archie Moore
14. Benny Leonard
15. Jack Johnson
16. Tony Canzoneri
17. Carlos Monzon
18. Sugar Ray Leonard
19. Mickey Walker
20. Jimmy Wilde
21. Sandy Saddler
22. Pernell Whitaker
23. Manny Pacquiao
24. Emile Griffith
25. Julio Cesar Chavez
26. Eder Jofre
27. Rocky Marciano
28. Jack Dempsey
29. Stanley Ketchel
30. Alexis Arguello
31. Barney Ross
32. Ike Williams
33. Evander Holyfield
34. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
35. Gene Tunney
36. Panama Al Brown
37. Kid Gavilan
38. Jimmy McLarnin
39. Terry McGovern
40. Tommy Loughran
41. George Foreman
42. Kid Chocolate
43. Larry Holmes
44. Dick Tiger
45. Salvador Sanchez
46. Ruben Olivares
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Joe Frazier
49. Jake LaMotta
50. Carmen Basilio
51. Thomas Hearns
52. Pascual Perez
53. Barbados Joe Walcott
54. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
55. Fighting Harada
56. Billy Conn
57. Maxie Rosenbloom
58. Fidel La Barba
59. Wilfredo Gomez
60. Charley Burley
61. Battling Battalino
62. Michael Spinks
63. Freddie Miller
64. Roy Jones, Jr.
65. Jack "Kid" Berg
66. Juan Manuel Marquez
67. Miguel Canto
68. Jimmy Barry
69. Carlos Zarate
70. Carlos Ortiz
71. Packey McFarland
72. Wilfred Benitez
73. Bob Foster
74. Pancho Villa
75. Marco Antonio Barrera
76. Manuel Ortiz
77. Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
78. George Dixon
79. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
80. Azumah Nelson
81. Holman Williams
82. Beau Jack
83. Peter Jackson
84. Ted "Kid" Lewis
85. Joe Brown
86. Tiger Flowers
87. Abe Attell
88. Georges Carpentier
89. Mike McCallum
90. Tommy Ryan
91. Jack Britton
92. Benny Lynch
93. Eusebio Pedroza
94. Gene Fullmer
95. Vicente Saldivar
96. Sonny Liston
97. Mike Tyson
98. Jersey Joe Walcott
99. Marcel Cerdan
100. Khoasai Galaxy

Just exactly what did Pascual Perez do? Outside of fighting the worst opponents he could find and not accomplishing a whole lot.

When Henry Armstrong moved to Lightweight he never returned to defend his Featherweight Title -- He was a true Lightweight by then.. And when Armstrong beat Barney Ross for the Welterweight Title he was essentially fighting another Lightweight -- a division where Ross fought for 62 of 81 fights.. He was never a true Welterweight.

[Kalan]

Sonny Liston defended the Heavyweight successfully 1 time against a teeny Heavyweight... Why is he ahead of Mike Tyson???

[elmersalsa]

Good evening, folks!

Here is a look of my view of the 100 ATG pound per pound prize fighters that I believe that fought for pay since 1882. My list, like any other, is SUBJECTIVE. I got two ATG pound per pound 100 lists. One for the end of the 20th century and the other list is the one that I am about to show now. Some great fighters in my view that were in my list of the end of the 29th century, for example, Aaron Pryor and John L. Sullivan, are out of it. We are in the year 2017 now, and some TERRIFIC fighters have come since the year 2000. Maybe, seventeen years from now, I will probably have a different list. That happens in the evolution of time. But, it would be very hard right now to call some of these top boxers great even if they win 5 crowns in 5 different classes. Boxing to me, looks kind of DILUTED now. Too many champions. Too many weight classes and too much politics. The best don't fight against the best. Neither the interest in boxing is there anymore like years ago. At least that's what I see in my eyes.

My criteria is different from many. I take into consideration:
1. Achievements
2. Historical Impact
3. Longevity and Durability
4. Quality of opposition
5. Weight division dominance
6. Contributions and Influence in the sport
7. What the fighter meant to the sport of boxing
8. World Championship Boxing Record/Title Defenses

A request for my friend Ambling Alp II, I have promised him that I was gonna put that list to see. I have studied boxers for a long time, and I am surprised of their feats and records. Some of their records were so exceptional that is hard to block them into consideration. I have learned from many posters. I don't call myself a boxing expert, BUT, I KNOW WHAT I KNOW. I know what I am talking about. Let's debate with COURTESY.

With no further due, these boxers, to me, are the top 100 ATG pound per pound ever:

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Roberto Duran
5. Willie Pep
6. Harry Greb
7. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Louis
11. Joe Gans
12. Bob Fitzsimmons
13. Archie Moore
14. Benny Leonard
15. Jack Johnson
16. Tony Canzoneri
17. Carlos Monzon
18. Sugar Ray Leonard
19. Mickey Walker
20. Jimmy Wilde
21. Sandy Saddler
22. Pernell Whitaker
23. Manny Pacquiao
24. Emile Griffith
25. Julio Cesar Chavez
26. Eder Jofre
27. Rocky Marciano
28. Jack Dempsey
29. Stanley Ketchel
30. Alexis Arguello
31. Barney Ross
32. Ike Williams
33. Evander Holyfield
34. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
35. Gene Tunney
36. Panama Al Brown
37. Kid Gavilan
38. Jimmy McLarnin
39. Terry McGovern
40. Tommy Loughran
41. George Foreman
42. Kid Chocolate
43. Larry Holmes
44. Dick Tiger
45. Salvador Sanchez
46. Ruben Olivares
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Joe Frazier
49. Jake LaMotta
50. Carmen Basilio
51. Thomas Hearns
52. Pascual Perez
53. Barbados Joe Walcott
54. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
55. Fighting Harada
56. Billy Conn
57. Maxie Rosenbloom
58. Fidel La Barba
59. Wilfredo Gomez
60. Charley Burley
61. Battling Battalino
62. Michael Spinks
63. Freddie Miller
64. Roy Jones, Jr.
65. Jack "Kid" Berg
66. Juan Manuel Marquez
67. Miguel Canto
68. Jimmy Barry
69. Carlos Zarate
70. Carlos Ortiz
71. Packey McFarland
72. Wilfred Benitez
73. Bob Foster
74. Pancho Villa
75. Marco Antonio Barrera
76. Manuel Ortiz
77. Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
78. George Dixon
79. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
80. Azumah Nelson
81. Holman Williams
82. Beau Jack
83. Peter Jackson
84. Ted "Kid" Lewis
85. Joe Brown
86. Tiger Flowers
87. Abe Attell
88. Georges Carpentier
89. Mike McCallum
90. Tommy Ryan
91. Jack Britton
92. Benny Lynch
93. Eusebio Pedroza
94. Gene Fullmer
95. Vicente Saldivar
96. Sonny Liston
97. Mike Tyson
98. Jersey Joe Walcott
99. Marcel Cerdan
100. Khoasai Galaxy

Just exactly what did Pascual Perez do? Outside of fighting the worst opponents he could find and not accomplishing a whole lot.

When Henry Armstrong moved to Lightweight he never returned to defend his Featherweight Title -- He was a true Lightweight by then.. And when Armstrong beat Barney Ross for the Welterweight Title he was essentially fighting another Lightweight -- a division where Ross fought for 62 of 81 fights.. He was never a true Welterweight.

What did the great Pascual Perez do?
Was the 1948 Olympic gold medalist.
Started pro career late, at age 26.
And still, he became the best flyweight of his time, defending the crown 11 times in 6 years.
He won over 80 bouts
At 5'1", he did a lot for a little guy. Only knock on him was that he didn't challenge the bantamweights like the great Jimmy Wilde did. But at flyweight? He was the TOP DOG!

[Kalan]

Here's some more food for thought... Anthony Joshua has won 4 Heavyweight Championship fights versus Sonny Liston's 2 wins... And he didn't beat a guy who weighed 189 who he could knock bowlegged with a shot... Beating Patterson is good and all... It's not much.

[Kalan]

"At 5'1", he did a lot for a little guy. Only knock on him was that he didn't challenge the bantamweights like the great Jimmy Wilde did"

Great Jimmy Wilde??? He was the biggest cherry picker of all time... He finally fought a couple guys with good records in his last 2 fights... Lost them.

[Ambling Alp II]

Good evening, folks!

Here is a look of my view of the 100 ATG pound per pound prize fighters that I believe that fought for pay since 1882. My list, like any other, is SUBJECTIVE. I got two ATG pound per pound 100 lists. One for the end of the 20th century and the other list is the one that I am about to show now. Some great fighters in my view that were in my list of the end of the 29th century, for example, Aaron Pryor and John L. Sullivan, are out of it. We are in the year 2017 now, and some TERRIFIC fighters have come since the year 2000. Maybe, seventeen years from now, I will probably have a different list. That happens in the evolution of time. But, it would be very hard right now to call some of these top boxers great even if they win 5 crowns in 5 different classes. Boxing to me, looks kind of DILUTED now. Too many champions. Too many weight classes and too much politics. The best don't fight against the best. Neither the interest in boxing is there anymore like years ago. At least that's what I see in my eyes.

My criteria is different from many. I take into consideration:
1. Achievements
2. Historical Impact
3. Longevity and Durability
4. Quality of opposition
5. Weight division dominance
6. Contributions and Influence in the sport
7. What the fighter meant to the sport of boxing
8. World Championship Boxing Record/Title Defenses

A request for my friend Ambling Alp II, I have promised him that I was gonna put that list to see. I have studied boxers for a long time, and I am surprised of their feats and records. Some of their records were so exceptional that is hard to block them into consideration. I have learned from many posters. I don't call myself a boxing expert, BUT, I KNOW WHAT I KNOW. I know what I am talking about. Let's debate with COURTESY.

With no further due, these boxers, to me, are the top 100 ATG pound per pound ever:

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Roberto Duran
5. Willie Pep
6. Harry Greb
7. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Louis
11. Joe Gans
12. Bob Fitzsimmons
13. Archie Moore
14. Benny Leonard
15. Jack Johnson
16. Tony Canzoneri
17. Carlos Monzon
18. Sugar Ray Leonard
19. Mickey Walker
20. Jimmy Wilde
21. Sandy Saddler
22. Pernell Whitaker
23. Manny Pacquiao
24. Emile Griffith
25. Julio Cesar Chavez
26. Eder Jofre
27. Rocky Marciano
28. Jack Dempsey
29. Stanley Ketchel
30. Alexis Arguello
31. Barney Ross
32. Ike Williams
33. Evander Holyfield
34. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
35. Gene Tunney
36. Panama Al Brown
37. Kid Gavilan
38. Jimmy McLarnin
39. Terry McGovern
40. Tommy Loughran
41. George Foreman
42. Kid Chocolate
43. Larry Holmes
44. Dick Tiger
45. Salvador Sanchez
46. Ruben Olivares
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Joe Frazier
49. Jake LaMotta
50. Carmen Basilio
51. Thomas Hearns
52. Pascual Perez
53. Barbados Joe Walcott
54. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
55. Fighting Harada
56. Billy Conn
57. Maxie Rosenbloom
58. Fidel La Barba
59. Wilfredo Gomez
60. Charley Burley
61. Battling Battalino
62. Michael Spinks
63. Freddie Miller
64. Roy Jones, Jr.
65. Jack "Kid" Berg
66. Juan Manuel Marquez
67. Miguel Canto
68. Jimmy Barry
69. Carlos Zarate
70. Carlos Ortiz
71. Packey McFarland
72. Wilfred Benitez
73. Bob Foster
74. Pancho Villa
75. Marco Antonio Barrera
76. Manuel Ortiz
77. Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
78. George Dixon
79. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
80. Azumah Nelson
81. Holman Williams
82. Beau Jack
83. Peter Jackson
84. Ted "Kid" Lewis
85. Joe Brown
86. Tiger Flowers
87. Abe Attell
88. Georges Carpentier
89. Mike McCallum
90. Tommy Ryan
91. Jack Britton
92. Benny Lynch
93. Eusebio Pedroza
94. Gene Fullmer
95. Vicente Saldivar
96. Sonny Liston
97. Mike Tyson
98. Jersey Joe Walcott
99. Marcel Cerdan
100. Khoasai Galaxy

Just exactly what did Pascual Perez do? Outside of fighting the worst opponents he could find and not accomplishing a whole lot.

When Henry Armstrong moved to Lightweight he never returned to defend his Featherweight Title -- He was a true Lightweight by then.. And when Armstrong beat Barney Ross for the Welterweight Title he was essentially fighting another Lightweight -- a division where Ross fought for 62 of 81 fights.. He was never a true Welterweight.

What did the great Pascual Perez do?
Was the 1948 Olympic gold medalist.
Started pro career late, at age 26.
And still, he became the best flyweight of his time, defending the crown 11 times in 6 years.
He won over 80 bouts
At 5'1", he did a lot for a little guy. Only knock on him was that he didn't challenge the bantamweights like the great Jimmy Wilde did. But at flyweight? He was the TOP DOG!

So really nothing that would rate him anywhere near where you have him.

[Ambling Alp II]

Why hating on the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr?

He was better than the great Muhammad Ali. He was better than the great Ezzard Charles. His body of work is so impressive and outstanding that it can't be ignored. He beat EVERY SINGLE NOTORIOUS FIGHTER OF HIS ERA. He beat lots of fighters from 130lbs all the way to 154lbs! If that ain't impressive, then what is?

He was head and above shoulders than anyone in his era. He proved it. His style was not likable above lightweight, but, he had to do it his way. A complete fighter with a great defense.

And he NEVER LOST A FIGHT. WE CANNOT ARGUE WITH PERFECTION.

The guy is a top ten great boxer.

Cuz he refused to fight the best until they were way past it. He doesn't have one win that I give a damn about.
Yes he was undefeated. So was Joe Calzaghe.

[Ambling Alp II]

I have always known why De La Hoya isn't in your Top 100; you don't like him.
You count losses against when he was past it; yet won't give him credit for wins against Chavez and Whitaker.
That is clear bias.

Lets take a look at your top 100. Obviously everyone in here was at least a good fighter, some great, some really great. Any criticisms are made in comparison to the others.

Duran at #4 is way too high. He has one win over fighters in your top 100. But of course, you worship him.

Mayweather at #7? that deserves a WTF. His victim's list compared to anyone in the top 20 is a joke. He is borderline Top 30.

Marciano at #27 and Demspey at #28 are too high.
Ike Williams a t#31 is too high. Then again, you always liked Williams.
Basilio at #52? He is borerline Top 100, nowhere near #50. He "failed" way too many times.
Marquez at 66? Way too high. He is borderline Top 100.
Conn at # 56 is about 20 spots too high.
Carpentier at #88? He has no business being in the Top 100
Walcott shouldn't in the Top 100 either.


Now onto the underrated:
Ray Leonard at #18. What a joke. Just because you hate him (stop pretending otherwise) he is only rate 18. Leonard has 4 wins over fighters in your own Top 100. How many guys do you have rated a head of him have that many? I believe only five. He has more wins over fighters in your own Top 100 than Duran, Pep, Langford, and Gans combined. Ray Leonard is a no question about Top 10 fighter of all time.

Hearns is only #51? WTF? That is at least 20 spots too low.
Spinks at #62? He is Top 30.
Benitez only #72? Again, at least 20 spots too low.

It's ridiclous that you have Walcott in your Top 100 but not Lennox Lewis Lewis. Jack Dempsey is Top 30 but Lewis isn't even Top 100?You love to point out Lewis' losses. Take a look at Walcott's. But then again, you don't like Lewis.

It makes no sense for Marquez to be #66, Barrera to be #75, and then not rate Morales at all. Morales and Barrera are about as even as tow fighters can be. There should not be one spot between them. They were both a little better than Marquez.

Harold Johnson isn't even an honorable mention? Come on.

Which brings us to De La Hoya. There are several fighters you have listed that I could argue that he was better than.
I will just mention the obvious.
De La Hoya was a better fighter than Carpentier. What could the argument for Carpetnier possibly be? It's not even close.

Jersey Joe Walcott? You mock De La hoya for failing against Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, take a frikkin look at Walcott? Abe Simon? Rex Layne?
Basilio - Take a look at his losses, not just the win over an ancient Robinson.
Pascual Perez? Who did he ever beat that was worth mentioning?

Let's refute some questions by Ambling Alp II:

Oscar De La Hoya: beat a SHOT Julio Cesar Chavez. He didn't beat the great Pernell Whitaker. They gave him the fight. When Oscar had to prove that he was all time worthy, HE FLUNKED: L12 Felix "Tito" Trinidad, L12 Shane Mosley, L12 Floyd Mayweather, Jr, LKO9 Bernard Hopkins. And he should be in the top 100? No way! In an era of four champions by weight class, anybody could be a four-time champion. Oscar was a superstar, not an all time great. His antics with Hopkins should take him out of greatness.

Roberto Duran: Why you always got something against the great Roberto Duran? Oh, I see. Because in the biggest night outside the heavyweight championship fight, he beat the great Sugar Ray Leonard. When BOTH were at their very best, Duran whuupped him...End of story. What fighter being considered WASHED UP, won two more world titles above his best weight? Only Duran did it! What fighter in history has won his 4 titles being the UNDERDOG? What fighter have come back after disastrous defeats like Duran? Ex. "No Mas" and the Thomas Hearns Brutal KO? Nobody could have done it better. He is right at number 4. He is top 5. He gotta be!

Thomas Hearns: Great fighter, indeed. He is top 50 in the 20th century as we can see. Not in this era since 2000. Hopkins, Pacman and Pretty Boy were better than he. The PROBLEM with The Hitman was that he lost the 2 BIGGEST FIGHTS OF HIS LIFE: LTKO14 Sugar Ray Leonard and LTKO3 Marvelous Marvin Hagler. Besides that, he got great wins, but not to put him in the best ever category. He is in the top 100 because he's the first man to win 4 titles in 4 weight classifications. That's it!

Sugar Ray Leonard: Great fighter, no doubt. The problem with him was SHORT CAREER. At his weight class, 147lbs is where he had the MAJORITY of his wins. Above welterweight, not much to be desired after beating a FADING MARVELOUS. That crap about 1 fight in 5 years is not alll that impressive. It looked more fishy than not. And it was proven after the Marvelous fight. He didn't had a significant great win after that. Above welterweight didn't suited him well. If he wouldn't retired and fight more, he would've been top ten. But only 40 fights? Not!

Michael Spinks: Only 31 fights. The great Mike Tyson made him see reality that he didn't belong at heavyweight. At light-heavyweight, he was a terrific fighter. He became great by being the only light-heavyweight champion to win a piece of the heavyweight crown. Great feat, but not against a prime great Larry Holmes.


Carmen Basilio: He won two world titles at welterweight and middleweight. With His fierce determination and commitment to the sport with his short limitations in size and skill, he accomplished a lot. He beat a bigger man named Sugar Ray Robinson in a thrilling contest. Delahoya nor Hearns couldn't do that. There's nothing fishy about that win. He cleaned up the welterweight division and challenged Robinson. How about that?

Juan Manuel Marquez: He became an all time great fight when he stopped the great Manny Pacquiao in a slugfest. He couldn't do it by going the distance again. He earned it after 3 fights with the Pacman. Plus, I see his body of work and it's very impressive. He kicked Marco Antonio Barrera ass. But, the fight that he need it was Pacman.

Of course Chavez was shot against DLH. So was DLH against Pac and Mayweather. The Whitaker fight was no closer than the DLH-Mayweather fight.
Duran had one monster win. Quit like a baby in the rematch. Not nearly enought to rate him #4.

Yes Hearns lost Hagler and Leonard. That is evidence that he should not be rated as high as them. He also had several other fights which proved he was better than #51.

SRL only had so 40 fights. So he didn't fight 20 fights against South Americans that nobody ever heard of. Irrelevant.
Same for Michael Spinks.

Robinson was ready for he old folks home when Basilio beat him. Randy Turpin beat a better version. Why not put in all the guys who beat Basilio?
Barrera was way past it when Marquez beat him. Should we put in Freddie Norwood? He beat Barrera.

There is no way that Marquez deserves to be #66 and Morales not even be rated. No way that Barrera should be #75 and Morales isn't even rated.

[elmersalsa]

Why hating on the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr?

He was better than the great Muhammad Ali. He was better than the great Ezzard Charles. His body of work is so impressive and outstanding that it can't be ignored. He beat EVERY SINGLE NOTORIOUS FIGHTER OF HIS ERA. He beat lots of fighters from 130lbs all the way to 154lbs! If that ain't impressive, then what is?

He was head and above shoulders than anyone in his era. He proved it. His style was not likable above lightweight, but, he had to do it his way. A complete fighter with a great defense.

And he NEVER LOST A FIGHT. WE CANNOT ARGUE WITH PERFECTION.

The guy is a top ten great boxer.

Cuz he refused to fight the best until they were way past it. He doesn't have one win that I give a damn about.
Yes he was undefeated. So was Joe Calzaghe.

Joe Calzaghe didn't beat a great pack of fighters like Pretty Boy Floyd did. Let's give him his due. The guy beat every significant fighter from 130lbs to 154lbs of his time.

[elmersalsa]

I have always known why De La Hoya isn't in your Top 100; you don't like him.
You count losses against when he was past it; yet won't give him credit for wins against Chavez and Whitaker.
That is clear bias.

Lets take a look at your top 100. Obviously everyone in here was at least a good fighter, some great, some really great. Any criticisms are made in comparison to the others.

Duran at #4 is way too high. He has one win over fighters in your top 100. But of course, you worship him.

Mayweather at #7? that deserves a WTF. His victim's list compared to anyone in the top 20 is a joke. He is borderline Top 30.

Marciano at #27 and Demspey at #28 are too high.
Ike Williams a t#31 is too high. Then again, you always liked Williams.
Basilio at #52? He is borerline Top 100, nowhere near #50. He "failed" way too many times.
Marquez at 66? Way too high. He is borderline Top 100.
Conn at # 56 is about 20 spots too high.
Carpentier at #88? He has no business being in the Top 100
Walcott shouldn't in the Top 100 either.


Now onto the underrated:
Ray Leonard at #18. What a joke. Just because you hate him (stop pretending otherwise) he is only rate 18. Leonard has 4 wins over fighters in your own Top 100. How many guys do you have rated a head of him have that many? I believe only five. He has more wins over fighters in your own Top 100 than Duran, Pep, Langford, and Gans combined. Ray Leonard is a no question about Top 10 fighter of all time.

Hearns is only #51? WTF? That is at least 20 spots too low.
Spinks at #62? He is Top 30.
Benitez only #72? Again, at least 20 spots too low.

It's ridiclous that you have Walcott in your Top 100 but not Lennox Lewis Lewis. Jack Dempsey is Top 30 but Lewis isn't even Top 100?You love to point out Lewis' losses. Take a look at Walcott's. But then again, you don't like Lewis.

It makes no sense for Marquez to be #66, Barrera to be #75, and then not rate Morales at all. Morales and Barrera are about as even as tow fighters can be. There should not be one spot between them. They were both a little better than Marquez.

Harold Johnson isn't even an honorable mention? Come on.

Which brings us to De La Hoya. There are several fighters you have listed that I could argue that he was better than.
I will just mention the obvious.
De La Hoya was a better fighter than Carpentier. What could the argument for Carpetnier possibly be? It's not even close.

Jersey Joe Walcott? You mock De La hoya for failing against Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, take a frikkin look at Walcott? Abe Simon? Rex Layne?
Basilio - Take a look at his losses, not just the win over an ancient Robinson.
Pascual Perez? Who did he ever beat that was worth mentioning?

Let's refute some questions by Ambling Alp II:

Oscar De La Hoya: beat a SHOT Julio Cesar Chavez. He didn't beat the great Pernell Whitaker. They gave him the fight. When Oscar had to prove that he was all time worthy, HE FLUNKED: L12 Felix "Tito" Trinidad, L12 Shane Mosley, L12 Floyd Mayweather, Jr, LKO9 Bernard Hopkins. And he should be in the top 100? No way! In an era of four champions by weight class, anybody could be a four-time champion. Oscar was a superstar, not an all time great. His antics with Hopkins should take him out of greatness.

Roberto Duran: Why you always got something against the great Roberto Duran? Oh, I see. Because in the biggest night outside the heavyweight championship fight, he beat the great Sugar Ray Leonard. When BOTH were at their very best, Duran whuupped him...End of story. What fighter being considered WASHED UP, won two more world titles above his best weight? Only Duran did it! What fighter in history has won his 4 titles being the UNDERDOG? What fighter have come back after disastrous defeats like Duran? Ex. "No Mas" and the Thomas Hearns Brutal KO? Nobody could have done it better. He is right at number 4. He is top 5. He gotta be!

Thomas Hearns: Great fighter, indeed. He is top 50 in the 20th century as we can see. Not in this era since 2000. Hopkins, Pacman and Pretty Boy were better than he. The PROBLEM with The Hitman was that he lost the 2 BIGGEST FIGHTS OF HIS LIFE: LTKO14 Sugar Ray Leonard and LTKO3 Marvelous Marvin Hagler. Besides that, he got great wins, but not to put him in the best ever category. He is in the top 100 because he's the first man to win 4 titles in 4 weight classifications. That's it!

Sugar Ray Leonard: Great fighter, no doubt. The problem with him was SHORT CAREER. At his weight class, 147lbs is where he had the MAJORITY of his wins. Above welterweight, not much to be desired after beating a FADING MARVELOUS. That crap about 1 fight in 5 years is not alll that impressive. It looked more fishy than not. And it was proven after the Marvelous fight. He didn't had a significant great win after that. Above welterweight didn't suited him well. If he wouldn't retired and fight more, he would've been top ten. But only 40 fights? Not!

Michael Spinks: Only 31 fights. The great Mike Tyson made him see reality that he didn't belong at heavyweight. At light-heavyweight, he was a terrific fighter. He became great by being the only light-heavyweight champion to win a piece of the heavyweight crown. Great feat, but not against a prime great Larry Holmes.


Carmen Basilio: He won two world titles at welterweight and middleweight. With His fierce determination and commitment to the sport with his short limitations in size and skill, he accomplished a lot. He beat a bigger man named Sugar Ray Robinson in a thrilling contest. Delahoya nor Hearns couldn't do that. There's nothing fishy about that win. He cleaned up the welterweight division and challenged Robinson. How about that?

Juan Manuel Marquez: He became an all time great fight when he stopped the great Manny Pacquiao in a slugfest. He couldn't do it by going the distance again. He earned it after 3 fights with the Pacman. Plus, I see his body of work and it's very impressive. He kicked Marco Antonio Barrera ass. But, the fight that he need it was Pacman.

Of course Chavez was shot against DLH. So was DLH against Pac and Mayweather. The Whitaker fight was no closer than the DLH-Mayweather fight.
Duran had one monster win. Quit like a baby in the rematch. Not nearly enought to rate him #4.

Yes Hearns lost Hagler and Leonard. That is evidence that he should not be rated as high as them. He also had several other fights which proved he was better than #51.

SRL only had so 40 fights. So he didn't fight 20 fights against South Americans that nobody ever heard of. Irrelevant.
Same for Michael Spinks.

Robinson was ready for he old folks home when Basilio beat him. Randy Turpin beat a better version. Why not put in all the guys who beat Basilio?
Barrera was way past it when Marquez beat him. Should we put in Freddie Norwood? He beat Barrera.

There is no way that Marquez deserves to be #66 and Morales not even be rated. No way that Barrera should be #75 and Morales isn't even rated.

Oscar De La Hoya had the weight, reach and height advantages over Pacman, Pretty Boy Floyd and Sugar Shane and still lost. He was not shopworn and beaten up like the great Julio Cesar Chavez when he fought him. Chavez had over 90 fights when he fought Oscar. He was champion still because of corrupted circumstances. For example, Chavez never beat Frankie Randall. They gave him the crown back.

The Hitman needed to beat Sugar Ray and Marvelous. Those two fights were for all the marbles. He lost to both of them. That should count BIG TIME against him. Two super fights in the middle of his prime. If he would have won one of those two fights, especially the first Leonard fight, he probably would have been in the 20s-30s or 10-20s range. The defining win of his career was a KO against a guy that was not at the peak of his powers in Duran, but, still, a great win. He was the ONLY FIGHTER that knocked out The Hands of Stone.

Carmen Basilio went up 13 pounds to beat a guy that had more physical advantages. It was the same scenario when Leonard beat Marvelous. Same scenario. Robinson had reach, height and weight advantages over Basilio. Plus, it was a war, one of the best fights of the 1950s. As a matter of fact, it was The Ring Fight of the Year for 1957. It was The Canastota Onion Farmer's defining fight that put him into greatness.

As I said before in the Erik "El Terrible" Morales' case. If someone puts him in the top 100, it's not a problem in my view. He is more borderline than Oscar De La Hoya. Too many fighters deserved to be on top of The Golden Boy

[elmersalsa]

"At 5'1", he did a lot for a little guy. Only knock on him was that he didn't challenge the bantamweights like the great Jimmy Wilde did"

Great Jimmy Wilde??? He was the biggest cherry picker of all time... He finally fought a couple guys with good records in his last 2 fights... Lost them.

Jimmy Wilde, the great little Welshman, was not a cherry picker. He fought guys that overweighted him more than 20 pounds. He beat some excellent flyweights and some outstanding and terrific bantamweights. He only weighed 98 pounds! And look at his accomplishments. They are off the roof!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Morales nowhere near MAB & JMM is a rare situation with largely subjective lists where you can tell someone they're just flat wrong. I think MAB/Morales is a situation where you pick one and the other one is the very next number. Where that is would be subjective, the fact that they're that close is not. I guess Elmer just didn't like El terrible. his heart is really the biggest factor for these rankings.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

"At 5'1", he did a lot for a little guy. Only knock on him was that he didn't challenge the bantamweights like the great Jimmy Wilde did"

Great Jimmy Wilde??? He was the biggest cherry picker of all time... He finally fought a couple guys with good records in his last 2 fights... Lost them.

Jimmy Wilde, the great little Welshman, was not a cherry picker. He fought guys that overweighted him more than 20 pounds. He beat some excellent flyweights and some outstanding and terrific bantamweights. He only weighed 98 pounds! And look at his accomplishments. They are off the roof!

\What are some of his greatest victories? I find Wilde wildly overrated. Perhaps you're much more versed on the Flyweights of his era than I am. Please, educate me on the great Syd Smith.

[Kalan]

"At 5'1", he did a lot for a little guy. Only knock on him was that he didn't challenge the bantamweights like the great Jimmy Wilde did"

Great Jimmy Wilde??? He was the biggest cherry picker of all time... He finally fought a couple guys with good records in his last 2 fights... Lost them.

Jimmy Wilde, the great little Welshman, was not a cherry picker. He fought guys that overweighted him more than 20 pounds. He beat some excellent flyweights and some outstanding and terrific bantamweights. He only weighed 98 pounds! And look at his accomplishments. They are off the roof!

He was a professional cherry-picker.. The worst of all time.. If Sean O'Grady was a # 9 cherry picker and record padder on a scale of 10... Wilde was a 15.

[Tomasino]

Norwood beat JMM.