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if wlad had fought like this the last ten years ...

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... would he have been as dominating?
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Probably. If you look at his list of defences he wasn't up against much. If you think about the guys in amongst them that could've been capable of exploiting a more attacking version of Wlad he dealt with them pretty handily. Povetkin and Pulev I thought he fought well and attacked when he could. Possibly Haye could've landed more counters but who knows.
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I think he would have been just as dominating, and probably more popular as well.

The only risk I can think of to a more attacking Wlad would have been David Haye, but I don't really think he should change his approach in that match up

He'd have a better chance vs fury this way also
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Probably. Though he did choose not to. Wlad worked out a very efficient way of beating people that he was better at in every department - probably served his brain better than our entertainment.
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i would agree with all of you, yet
when i see how he was knocked
out by joshua, i am not so sure
anymore. he was so determined
to not grab in this fight, that he
didn't do it when he should have.
in this eleventh, after the first KD
he had plenty of opportunity to
slow down the assault, but did
not do it.
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Ossyrules wrote:I think he would have been just as dominating, and probably more popular as well.

The only risk I can think of to a more attacking Wlad would have been David Haye, but I don't really think he should change his approach in that match up

He'd have a better chance vs fury this way also
If he threw a punch against Fury, he would've had a better chance against him...
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man wrote:... would he have been as dominating?
That's ridiculous. You don't fight everyone using the same game plan --- the strengths and weaknesses of the opponent dictate the strategy.

With Pulev he needed to be aggressive with his left hook because the power jabber was wide open for them. Wlad crushed him with thunderous hooks

Against Fast Eddie Chambers he needed to keep throwing. Nothing Chambers threw had any power, but he was very slick and smart. Nobody else ever knocked him out. Steward kept on Lad to throw and throw and throw "We can knock him out if you keep throwing" Lad believed in Steward.

Against a prime Haye he needed to box, use the ring, and pile up points. A prime Haye was a very dangerous puncher and slick defender.

With Povetkin he needed to jab, grab, tie him up, and not let him get off inside combinations. The Russian is a dangerous short puncher who can get you out

With Fury he needed to cut the ring off.. go to the body with both hands.. shrug off any clinches.. be very smart and skilled with inside defense because Fury can punch harder than commonly believed.. Wlad needed to fire non-stop combinations in close.. Basically the same things Joshua needed to do against Wlad.. But AJ possesses those skills and Wlad doesn't.. Unfortunately those are 5 skills the great Steward didn't teach exceptionally well..

With Joshua Wladimir needed to move.. jab.. box.. jab some more.. throw lead hooks.. and get an opening for his right hand against Joshua's overly ambitious jab.. which AJ sometimes puts too much juice on his jab like Foreman did.. Joshua usually pinks with his jab, but occasionally the killer takes over and he'll drive one in there.. Klitschko maintained a rock like concentration and nailed AJ with some beautiful right counters. AJ's trainer said "He's sitting on your jab. You gotta be a lot slicker with it." AJ made mistakes in the mid rounds -- but didn't mess up in the late rounds and took over.
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Kalan wrote:
man wrote:... would he have been as dominating?
That's ridiculous. You don't fight everyone using the same game plan ---
common, you are playing dumb.
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Kalan wrote:
man wrote:... would he have been as dominating?
That's ridiculous. You don't fight everyone using the same game plan --- the strengths and weaknesses of the opponent dictate the strategy.

With Pulev he needed to be aggressive with his left hook because the power jabber was wide open for them. Wlad crushed him with thunderous hooks

Against Fast Eddie Chambers he needed to keep throwing. Nothing Chambers threw had any power, but he was very slick and smart. Nobody else ever knocked him out. Steward kept on Lad to throw and throw and throw "We can knock him out if you keep throwing" Lad believed in Steward.

Against a prime Haye he needed to box, use the ring, and pile up points. A prime Haye was a very dangerous puncher and slick defender.

With Povetkin he needed to jab, grab, tie him up, and not let him get off inside combinations. The Russian is a dangerous short puncher who can get you out

With Fury he needed to cut the ring off.. go to the body with both hands.. shrug off any clinches.. be very smart and skilled with inside defense because Fury can punch harder than commonly believed.. Wlad needed to fire non-stop combinations in close.. Basically the same things Joshua needed to do against Wlad.. But AJ possesses those skills and Wlad doesn't.. Unfortunately those are 5 skills the great Steward didn't teach exceptionally well..

With Joshua Wladimir needed to move.. jab.. box.. jab some more.. throw lead hooks.. and get an opening for his right hand against Joshua's overly ambitious jab.. which AJ sometimes puts too much juice on his jab like Foreman did.. Joshua usually pinks with his jab, but occasionally the killer takes over and he'll drive one in there.. Klitschko maintained a rock like concentration and nailed AJ with some beautiful right counters. AJ's trainer said "He's sitting on your jab. You gotta be a lot slicker with it." AJ made mistakes in the mid rounds -- but didn't mess up in the late rounds and took over.
Broadly speaking there was occasions Wlad could have stepped on the gas and looked to get people out of there earlier
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A lot of people could have done a lot of things differently if they had the chance to do them over again... Wladimir did very well with his 21-year pro career
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Kalan wrote:A lot of people could have done a lot of things differently if they had the chance to do them over again... Wladimir did very well with his 21-year pro career
absolutely. it is not enough to be tall
and athletic to be in most people's
ATG15 list. plus he pulled it off after
being written off by pretty much
everybody, including his own brother.

i am very happy that all pundits agree
he showed the heart of a lion at the
end of his so often criticised career.
for me the fight had the perfect outcome.
the right guy won, but the old champ
still could hold his head up high. in a
way in the years to come even wlad
might prefer this loss to a criticised
win on points. reputation means a lot
to everyone and losing to joshua in a
decent way at age 41 might turn out
to be quite an achievement.
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