GGG vs Canelo set to September 16

[ClivePatrickLyons]

GGG will KO Canelo I will bet on it

[Evander]

You'll have to either cut Canelo with a shot early and even then he'll go 12 if it isn't that bad.
The inside is where this fight could be settled.

[caldo2025]

First off, how about the balls on Canelo to ask GGG to come inside the ring after his fight for the second time after stiffing him the first time?.

- The first time Golovkin and Loeffler left the arena, a clear duck.

Yet according to the mob of boxrec miscreant suckers with humongous mongering puckers, Canelo is the ducker during an unstable era with over a half billion dollars of lawsuits being filed. Thanks to Canelo actually giving his fans what they want while making his money, the Golovkin fight is double or triple the value it was last year.

Thing is, the mob has told us no way this fight happens. Yeah, kinda sucks to be part of the mob, so see you suckers Sept 16 where push comes to shove and a fight that can't happen breaks out.

You are a dope to think that this fight is double or triple the value it was last year. That's not true at all. It would have made right around the same in my opinion. Maybe even less considering how badly fans felt last Saturday paying to watch that mess of a PPV event. Before GGG's last fight, he was still a God in the ring and untouchable. Now Jacobs showed us that GGG is getting older and that this fight is too late...just like Floyd and Manny.

Either way you want to slice it. Canelo and GB ran...they threw the belt in the garbage to avoid fighting GGG when he should have. They decided to wait until GGG started showing his age and all of a sudden.....what do you know....we have a deal? Yeah, ok.

[verlichte]

Compubox average before their most recent fights:

GGG - 67.8 punches thrown per round
Canelo - 40.9 punches thrown per round

In their most recent fights, GGG was against a prime, younger, bigger, hard-hitting middleweight giving the performance of his career, as he threw 615 punches - that's 51.25 per round, a decrease on his usual output. In last night's fight, Canelo was facing a big, weight-drained punching bag who posed him no danger and he threw 604 punches or 50.3 per round. I really don't understand anyone who thinks Canelo will beat GGG in work rate - he's a historically low output fighter, while GGG, although probably a little past his best, is a historically medium-to-high output fighter.

According to CompuBox’s most recent historical review of Gennady’s stats, based prior to the Daniel Jacobs fight, GGG's average punch output per round was 67.9 shots.

However this statistic is based on GGG’s twelve bouts from the Gabriel Rosado fight to the Kell Brook contest. The average duration of these contests was only five rounds, where the majority of the opposition faced weren’t universally regarded as genuine top-ten world-rated opposition (according to The Ring).

In stark contrast, CompuBox may have calculated Canelo’s 40.9 average punch output per round for the entirety of his career, since the stats don’t mention any limitations/scope for how these numbers were calculated. And if we take these numbers in their true context, it’s an irrefutable fact that Alvarez has faced many more former/current world champions and genuine top-ten world-rated talent than GGG has done.

Therefore, it’s categorically impossible to draw a true comparison of the average punch output per round stats supplied by CompuBox for Golovkin and Canelo… and it’s extremely dishonest to cite these numbers to fulfil one’s agenda, without including context.

If we only compared the total punch output for Golovkin & Canelo’s most recent fights, the average amount of punches thrown per round is pretty much identical (basically 51 punches apiece). However, Alvarez threw 31% more power punches, which obviously requires far more effort.

That being said, as per my previous point, CompuBox’s numbers carry no value in the context of both men facing a different level of opposition.

Simply put: it’s wrong to cite statistics for comparison purposes if you either don’t understand them or they were calculated using stats originated from a completely different set of circumstances and scope.

[boxing_rocks]

So many words trying to disprove the obvious fact: Canelo gases and has to take breaks, so his punch output is low.

[jezzamundo]

Compubox average before their most recent fights:

GGG - 67.8 punches thrown per round
Canelo - 40.9 punches thrown per round

In their most recent fights, GGG was against a prime, younger, bigger, hard-hitting middleweight giving the performance of his career, as he threw 615 punches - that's 51.25 per round, a decrease on his usual output. In last night's fight, Canelo was facing a big, weight-drained punching bag who posed him no danger and he threw 604 punches or 50.3 per round. I really don't understand anyone who thinks Canelo will beat GGG in work rate - he's a historically low output fighter, while GGG, although probably a little past his best, is a historically medium-to-high output fighter.

According to CompuBox’s most recent historical review of Gennady’s stats, based prior to the Daniel Jacobs fight, GGG's average punch output per round was 67.9 shots.

However this statistic is based on GGG’s twelve bouts from the Gabriel Rosado fight to the Kell Brook contest. The average duration of these contests was only five rounds, where the majority of the opposition faced weren’t universally regarded as genuine top-ten world-rated opposition (according to The Ring).

In stark contrast, CompuBox may have calculated Canelo’s 40.9 average punch output per round for the entirety of his career, since the stats don’t mention any limitations/scope for how these numbers were calculated. And if we take these numbers in their true context, it’s an irrefutable fact that Alvarez has faced many more former/current world champions and genuine top-ten world-rated talent than GGG has done.

Therefore, it’s categorically impossible to draw a true comparison of the average punch output per round stats supplied by CompuBox for Golovkin and Canelo… and it’s extremely dishonest to cite these numbers to fulfil one’s agenda, without including context.

If we only compared the total punch output for Golovkin & Canelo’s most recent fights, the average amount of punches thrown per round is pretty much identical (basically 51 punches apiece). However, Alvarez threw 31% more power punches, which obviously requires far more effort.

That being said, as per my previous point, CompuBox’s numbers carry no value in the context of both men facing a different level of opposition.

Simply put: it’s wrong to cite statistics for comparison purposes if you either don’t understand them or they were calculated using stats originated from a completely different set of circumstances and scope.

Some worthwhile points, but you don't half take yourself seriously, do you?!

Referring to the points in bold:

1) There is no chance that the CompuBox stats for Canelo take his entire career into account. If that were true, we should probably expect his punch output to be higher, as he faced plenty of low-level fighters early in his career.

2) If the numbers were closer, I'd agree with you, but 68 punches per round vs 41 is a huge gap that can't be explained away entirely by the difference in opposition and length of fight.

Just looking at their most recent fight, they threw virtually the same number of punches (yes Canelo threw more power punches), but Canelo's opponent was nowhere near the calibre of GGG's, throwing just 25 punches per round.

My reason for bringing up these numbers is that a couple of people have said they don't think GGG will be able to keep up with Canelo's workrate, which there really isn't evidence for. If anything, going up in weight should improve Canelo's stamina and work rate, while GGG's workrate is likely to decrease as he gets older and faces stronger competition, which should close the gap somewhat, but I will be shocked if Canelo throws more punches than GGG when they fight.

[verlichte]

Some worthwhile points, but you don't half take yourself seriously, do you?!

Your criticism is reasonable, since you’re not the first one to point this out. I don’t mean to take things seriously, but I guess it’s just my writing style. When I do try to be humorous, it tends to cause offence…

Referring to the points in bold:

1) There is no chance that the CompuBox stats for Canelo take his entire career into account. If that were true, we should probably expect his punch output to be higher, as he faced plenty of low-level fighters early in his career.

2) If the numbers were closer, I'd agree with you, but 68 punches per round vs 41 is a huge gap that can't be explained away entirely by the difference in opposition and length of fight.

Just looking at their most recent fight, they threw virtually the same number of punches (yes Canelo threw more power punches), but Canelo's opponent was nowhere near the calibre of GGG's, throwing just 25 punches per round.

My reason for bringing up these numbers is that a couple of people have said they don't think GGG will be able to keep up with Canelo's workrate, which there really isn't evidence for. If anything, going up in weight should improve Canelo's stamina and work rate, while GGG's workrate is likely to decrease as he gets older and faces stronger competition, which should close the gap somewhat, but I will be shocked if Canelo throws more punches than GGG when they fight.

I acknowledge your points, but whilst I don’t agree with some of them… I do concede that you’ve not said anything that isn’t unreasonable.

In terms of Canelo’s work-rate, even if I’m correct about my suspicion that he is slightly busier than GGG, this might be a moot point.

If Alvarez cannot cope with Gennady’s power, he may become a tad gun-shy, since in order to land his own shots – he’d need to be within punching distance of GGG, which obviously makes him vulnerable to being on the receiving end of some seriously heavy blows. So Golovkin’s power may deter Canelo from throwing his own shots.

If Canelo is somehow able to cope with Golovkin’s power and remain competitive for each and every single round, then that’s the only time that Alvarez’s superior work-rate will pose a problem for GGG.

[jezzamundo]

Some worthwhile points, but you don't half take yourself seriously, do you?!

Your criticism is reasonable, since you’re not the first one to point this out. I don’t mean to take things seriously, but I guess it’s just my writing style. When I do try to be humorous, it tends to cause offence…

Referring to the points in bold:

1) There is no chance that the CompuBox stats for Canelo take his entire career into account. If that were true, we should probably expect his punch output to be higher, as he faced plenty of low-level fighters early in his career.

2) If the numbers were closer, I'd agree with you, but 68 punches per round vs 41 is a huge gap that can't be explained away entirely by the difference in opposition and length of fight.

Just looking at their most recent fight, they threw virtually the same number of punches (yes Canelo threw more power punches), but Canelo's opponent was nowhere near the calibre of GGG's, throwing just 25 punches per round.

My reason for bringing up these numbers is that a couple of people have said they don't think GGG will be able to keep up with Canelo's workrate, which there really isn't evidence for. If anything, going up in weight should improve Canelo's stamina and work rate, while GGG's workrate is likely to decrease as he gets older and faces stronger competition, which should close the gap somewhat, but I will be shocked if Canelo throws more punches than GGG when they fight.

I acknowledge your points, but whilst I don’t agree with some of them… I do concede that you’ve not said anything that isn’t unreasonable.

In terms of Canelo’s work-rate, even if I’m correct about my suspicion that he is slightly busier than GGG, this might be a moot point.

If Alvarez cannot cope with Gennady’s power, he may become a tad gun-shy, since in order to land his own shots – he’d need to be within punching distance of GGG, which obviously makes him vulnerable to being on the receiving end of some seriously heavy blows. So Golovkin’s power may deter Canelo from throwing his own shots.

If Canelo is somehow able to cope with Golovkin’s power and remain competitive for each and every single round, then that’s the only time that Alvarez’s superior work-rate will pose a problem for GGG.

How do you figure Alvarez has a superior work-rate when the evidence points to the opposite? He has faster hands and may throw eye-catching flurries that look good to the judges, but he regularly takes minutes off rounds and seems to have sub-par stamina for an elite fighter, which is likely why he paces himself and generally has a low punch output. GGG tends to throw more single punches, but usually fights for every minute of every round. His punch output dropped when facing a significant challenge in Danny Jacobs, but was still slightly greater than the number Canelo threw against Chavez Jr who was mostly just fighting to survive.

[verlichte]

Some worthwhile points, but you don't half take yourself seriously, do you?!

Your criticism is reasonable, since you’re not the first one to point this out. I don’t mean to take things seriously, but I guess it’s just my writing style. When I do try to be humorous, it tends to cause offence…

Referring to the points in bold:

1) There is no chance that the CompuBox stats for Canelo take his entire career into account. If that were true, we should probably expect his punch output to be higher, as he faced plenty of low-level fighters early in his career.

2) If the numbers were closer, I'd agree with you, but 68 punches per round vs 41 is a huge gap that can't be explained away entirely by the difference in opposition and length of fight.

Just looking at their most recent fight, they threw virtually the same number of punches (yes Canelo threw more power punches), but Canelo's opponent was nowhere near the calibre of GGG's, throwing just 25 punches per round.

My reason for bringing up these numbers is that a couple of people have said they don't think GGG will be able to keep up with Canelo's workrate, which there really isn't evidence for. If anything, going up in weight should improve Canelo's stamina and work rate, while GGG's workrate is likely to decrease as he gets older and faces stronger competition, which should close the gap somewhat, but I will be shocked if Canelo throws more punches than GGG when they fight.

I acknowledge your points, but whilst I don’t agree with some of them… I do concede that you’ve not said anything that isn’t unreasonable.

In terms of Canelo’s work-rate, even if I’m correct about my suspicion that he is slightly busier than GGG, this might be a moot point.

If Alvarez cannot cope with Gennady’s power, he may become a tad gun-shy, since in order to land his own shots – he’d need to be within punching distance of GGG, which obviously makes him vulnerable to being on the receiving end of some seriously heavy blows. So Golovkin’s power may deter Canelo from throwing his own shots.

If Canelo is somehow able to cope with Golovkin’s power and remain competitive for each and every single round, then that’s the only time that Alvarez’s superior work-rate will pose a problem for GGG.

How do you figure Alvarez has a superior work-rate when the evidence points to the opposite? He has faster hands and may throw eye-catching flurries that look good to the judges, but he regularly takes minutes off rounds and seems to have sub-par stamina for an elite fighter, which is likely why he paces himself and generally has a low punch output. GGG tends to throw more single punches, but usually fights for every minute of every round. His punch output dropped when facing a significant challenge in Danny Jacobs, but was still slightly greater than the number Canelo threw against Chavez Jr who was mostly just fighting to survive.

Like I said in a previous post, I don't believe there is any evidence that categorically proves that GGG's work-rate is superior to Canelo's.

Golovkin usually faces a lower calibre of opposition than Canelo does. So when he's trying to force the stoppage, he raises his work-rate and this subsequently artificially increases his "average punches thrown per round" stats.

Excluding the rounds in which he was trying to hurt Kell Brook and Daniel Jacobs, I believe that GGG's work-rate appeared slightly inferior than Canelo's.

Whilst Golovkin and Canelo pretty much threw the same amount of punches in their most recent contests, Alvarez threw 35% more power punches, since Gennady's primary weapon against the American was the jab.

Like I said before though, Canelo's work-rate, whether it's superior or not, may be a moot point anyway, due to the explanation that I've already given.

[crusader]

Canelo also averaged about 45 shots per round against Liam Smith, and 50 against breathing punching bag Alfredo Angulo.

His output falls around 40-50 regardless of his opposition, and I think the extreme low was about 35 shots per round against Lara, while the upper extreme was just over 50.

He hasnt shown another gear beyond this..

[verlichte]

Canelo also averaged about 45 shots per round against Liam Smith, and 50 against breathing punching bag Alfredo Angulo.

His output falls around 40-50 regardless of his opposition, and I think the extreme low was about 35 shots per round against Lara, while the upper extreme was just over 50.

He hasnt shown another gear beyond this..

The problem with this evaluation relates to the calibre and fighting style of the opposition faced, coupled with the fact that the Canelo's opponents that you mentioned all reached the final stages of the 12 round distance.

Golovkin's CompuBox stats were based on the 12 opponents he faced prior to fighting Jacobs, which were generally not as good as Canelo's... and the average duration of those bouts was only five rounds. Fighters tend to up their pace when they try to close the show, hence the reason why GGG's work-rate appears numerically superior to Alvarez's.

Therefore, I don't believe that you can compare the punch stats of Golovkin and Canelo.

Like I keep saying though, Canelo's work-rate may be a moot point anyway, due to the explanation that I've already provided multiple times in this thread.

[Impractical Poster]

Canelo also averaged about 45 shots per round against Liam Smith, and 50 against breathing punching bag Alfredo Angulo.

His output falls around 40-50 regardless of his opposition, and I think the extreme low was about 35 shots per round against Lara, while the upper extreme was just over 50.

He hasnt shown another gear beyond this..

The problem with this evaluation relates to the calibre and fighting style of the opposition faced, coupled with the fact that the Canelo's opponents that you mentioned all reached the final stages of the 12 round distance.

Golovkin's CompuBox stats were based on the 12 opponents he faced prior to fighting Jacobs, which were generally not as good as Canelo's... and the average duration of those bouts was only five rounds. Fighters tend to up their pace when they try to close the show, hence the reason why GGG's work-rate appears numerically superior to Alvarez's.

Therefore, I don't believe that you can compare the punch stats of Golovkin and Canelo.

Like I keep saying though, Canelo's work-rate may be a moot point anyway, due to the explanation that I've already provided multiple times in this thread.

What are you using to determine that Canelo's workrate is higher than Gennady's?

[boxing_rocks]

Your criticism is reasonable, since you’re not the first one to point this out. I don’t mean to take things seriously, but I guess it’s just my writing style. When I do try to be humorous, it tends to cause offence…

I acknowledge your points, but whilst I don’t agree with some of them… I do concede that you’ve not said anything that isn’t unreasonable.

In terms of Canelo’s work-rate, even if I’m correct about my suspicion that he is slightly busier than GGG, this might be a moot point.

If Alvarez cannot cope with Gennady’s power, he may become a tad gun-shy, since in order to land his own shots – he’d need to be within punching distance of GGG, which obviously makes him vulnerable to being on the receiving end of some seriously heavy blows. So Golovkin’s power may deter Canelo from throwing his own shots.

If Canelo is somehow able to cope with Golovkin’s power and remain competitive for each and every single round, then that’s the only time that Alvarez’s superior work-rate will pose a problem for GGG.

How do you figure Alvarez has a superior work-rate when the evidence points to the opposite? He has faster hands and may throw eye-catching flurries that look good to the judges, but he regularly takes minutes off rounds and seems to have sub-par stamina for an elite fighter, which is likely why he paces himself and generally has a low punch output. GGG tends to throw more single punches, but usually fights for every minute of every round. His punch output dropped when facing a significant challenge in Danny Jacobs, but was still slightly greater than the number Canelo threw against Chavez Jr who was mostly just fighting to survive.

Like I said in a previous post, I don't believe there is any evidence that categorically proves that GGG's work-rate is superior to Canelo's.

Golovkin usually faces a lower calibre of opposition than Canelo does. So when he's trying to force the stoppage, he raises his work-rate and this subsequently artificially increases his "average punches thrown per round" stats.

Excluding the rounds in which he was trying to hurt Kell Brook and Daniel Jacobs, I believe that GGG's work-rate appeared slightly inferior than Canelo's.

Whilst Golovkin and Canelo pretty much threw the same amount of punches in their most recent contests, Alvarez threw 35% more power punches, since Gennady's primary weapon against the American was the jab.

Like I said before though, Canelo's work-rate, whether it's superior or not, may be a moot point anyway, due to the explanation that I've already given.

Wow, EO, you must be really sick. You are seriously suggesting that Golovkin trying to hurt his opponent "artificially increases" his output and suggesting to exclude "the rounds in which he was trying to hurt Kell Brook and Daniel Jacobs" from the stats ?????????? What other idiotic suggestions do you have?

[Baby Face Finster]

How many punches did Gingerhead throw against Mayweather?

[Baby Face Finster]

Canelo also averaged about 45 shots per round against Liam Smith, and 50 against breathing punching bag Alfredo Angulo.

His output falls around 40-50 regardless of his opposition, and I think the extreme low was about 35 shots per round against Lara, while the upper extreme was just over 50.

He hasnt shown another gear beyond this..

The problem with this evaluation relates to the calibre and fighting style of the opposition faced, coupled with the fact that the Canelo's opponents that you mentioned all reached the final stages of the 12 round distance.

Golovkin's CompuBox stats were based on the 12 opponents he faced prior to fighting Jacobs, which were generally not as good as Canelo's... and the average duration of those bouts was only five rounds. Fighters tend to up their pace when they try to close the show, hence the reason why GGG's work-rate appears numerically superior to Alvarez's.

Therefore, I don't believe that you can compare the punch stats of Golovkin and Canelo.

Like I keep saying though, Canelo's work-rate may be a moot point anyway, due to the explanation that I've already provided multiple times in this thread.

What are you using to determine that Canelo's workrate is higher than Gennady's?

Like every other argument she has, she pulled it out of her ass!

[Impractical Poster]

The problem with this evaluation relates to the calibre and fighting style of the opposition faced, coupled with the fact that the Canelo's opponents that you mentioned all reached the final stages of the 12 round distance.

Golovkin's CompuBox stats were based on the 12 opponents he faced prior to fighting Jacobs, which were generally not as good as Canelo's... and the average duration of those bouts was only five rounds. Fighters tend to up their pace when they try to close the show, hence the reason why GGG's work-rate appears numerically superior to Alvarez's.

Therefore, I don't believe that you can compare the punch stats of Golovkin and Canelo.

Like I keep saying though, Canelo's work-rate may be a moot point anyway, due to the explanation that I've already provided multiple times in this thread.

What are you using to determine that Canelo's workrate is higher than Gennady's?

Like every other argument she has, she pulled it out of her ass!

From what I've seen, he/she is pretty matter of fact. So much so that it is irritating. So, I am wondering where he gets his data for this claim that Canelo has a higher work rate than GGG.

[crusader]

Even in GGG's longer fights he throws more punches than Canelo usually does: 816 in 11 rounds against Murray, and 615 against mobile Jacobs, which is more than Canelo has ever thrown vs a top opponent (484 vs Cotto, 415 vs Lara, 431 vs Trout).

GGG is consistently busier than Canelo

[verlichte]

What are you using to determine that Canelo's workrate is higher than Gennady's?

I’ve used the proverbial eyeball test to quantify my belief about Canelo’s work-rate.

That being said, if you'd actually followed the comments I’ve expressed in this thread, I haven’t laboured over this issue. Instead, I've mainly focussed on the fact that GGG & Canelo’s CompuBox stats cannot be compared… and even if a conclusion can be drawn, it'll be irrelevant, as Alvarez’s work-rate against previous opponents may even be a moot point.

In regards to all the insults I’ve received on this thread, it’s just a group of butthurt people that have tasted defeat during previous arguments.

[crusader]

Canelo takes frequent and prolonged breaks on the ropes in most of his fights, and can never seem to lift his output much beyond 50 shots per round at best. Poor guy can't seem to fight a full three minutes, regardless of the opponent, whereas GGG can keep his punches going.

That's clear whether going just by numbers or eyeballs

[Impractical Poster]

What are you using to determine that Canelo's workrate is higher than Gennady's?

I’ve used the proverbial eyeball test to quantify my belief about Canelo’s work-rate.

That being said, if you'd actually followed the comments I’ve expressed in this thread, I haven’t laboured over this issue. Instead, I've mainly focussed on the fact that GGG & Canelo’s CompuBox stats cannot be compared… and even if a conclusion can be drawn, it'll be irrelevant, as Alvarez’s work-rate against previous opponents may even be a moot point.

In regards to all the insults I’ve received on this thread, it’s just a group of butthurt people that have tasted defeat during previous arguments.

I'm not insulting. I was just trying to figure out how you came to the conclusion. You are usually a "fact" guy. So, it surprises me that you took this stance.

Nobody's butthurt. Everybody gets it wrong from time to time. You are welcome to your turn, as rare as it may be...

[verlichte]

What are you using to determine that Canelo's workrate is higher than Gennady's?

I’ve used the proverbial eyeball test to quantify my belief about Canelo’s work-rate.

That being said, if you'd actually followed the comments I’ve expressed in this thread, I haven’t laboured over this issue. Instead, I've mainly focussed on the fact that GGG & Canelo’s CompuBox stats cannot be compared… and even if a conclusion can be drawn, it'll be irrelevant, as Alvarez’s work-rate against previous opponents may even be a moot point.

In regards to all the insults I’ve received on this thread, it’s just a group of butthurt people that have tasted defeat during previous arguments.

I'm not insulting. I was just trying to figure out how you came to the conclusion. You are usually a "fact" guy. So, it surprises me that you took this stance.

Nobody's butthurt. Everybody gets it wrong from time to time. You are welcome to your turn, as rare as it may be...

Am I wrong about the main point that I've focussed on in this thread or did you decide to side-step this matter?

[IKSRTFO]

Canelo takes frequent and prolonged breaks on the ropes in most of his fights, and can never seem to lift his output much beyond 50 shots per round at best. Poor guy can't seem to fight a full three minutes, regardless of the opponent, whereas GGG can keep his punches going.

That's clear whether going just by numbers or eyeballs

This will be his undoing against GGG.

[boxing_rocks]

Even in GGG's longer fights he throws more punches than Canelo usually does: 816 in 11 rounds against Murray, and 615 against mobile Jacobs, which is more than Canelo has ever thrown vs a top opponent (484 vs Cotto, 415 vs Lara, 431 vs Trout).

GGG is consistently busier than Canelo

But, but, but you have to ignore rounds where GGG tries to hurt his opponents throwing more punches and "artificially" invalidating EO's "theory".

[Impractical Poster]

I’ve used the proverbial eyeball test to quantify my belief about Canelo’s work-rate.

That being said, if you'd actually followed the comments I’ve expressed in this thread, I haven’t laboured over this issue. Instead, I've mainly focussed on the fact that GGG & Canelo’s CompuBox stats cannot be compared… and even if a conclusion can be drawn, it'll be irrelevant, as Alvarez’s work-rate against previous opponents may even be a moot point.

In regards to all the insults I’ve received on this thread, it’s just a group of butthurt people that have tasted defeat during previous arguments.

I'm not insulting. I was just trying to figure out how you came to the conclusion. You are usually a "fact" guy. So, it surprises me that you took this stance.

Nobody's butthurt. Everybody gets it wrong from time to time. You are welcome to your turn, as rare as it may be...

Am I wrong about the main point that I've focussed on in this thread or did you decide to side-step this matter?

What was your main point?

[Tarkus]

Canelo is too good to let GGG dominate him and he is very tough to get easily knocked out. Dont kid yourself, this is a very competitive fight. GGG should edge it due to workrate, although at 160 as in his last fight at 164 Canelo will not get out of breath like at 154.