Is Tyson Fury dangerous for Anthony Joshua ?

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Re: Is Tyson Fury dangerous for Anthony Joshua ?

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This guy's reputation has been elevated to the heavens based on one very odd fight. Wlad didn't show up there at all. I don't think Joshua would have many problems with him once he finds his range. The thought of even a prime Fury eluding Joshua's shots for 12 rounds is ridiculous, let alone whatever version is going to show up.
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Re: Is Tyson Fury dangerous for Anthony Joshua ?

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Not at present obviously but the Tyson that beat Klitschko has a decent chance against anyone. His size and mobility are major assets. He is unorthodox, unpredictable and does boxing's basics pretty well, and sometimes that's enough to make a fighter formidable if combined with other qualities. I don't think anyone would call Wilder a good boxer but he throws a decent jab and a ferocious right. You can go a long way with a good jab and powerful right cross.

So, back to Fury. He isn't a massive puncher and that could be a problem against Joshua, if you can't meet out some serious discouragement. AJ will cut the ring off, close the distance and throw punches in bunches. I wouldn't say Fury has got a poor chin, but I can still see him on his back with Steve Cunningham standing over him, and I can't help thinking if a 200lb cruiser can do that to him then what if AJ really connects with his bombs as he surely must some time.

There are question marks over Joshua's stamina although I think a good part of that was nervous energy caused by the pressure of the occasion at Wembley.

To sum up I'd say a fully fit and motivated Tyson is as big a test for AJ as there is out there, with the possible exception of Wilder, but I think I would tentatively pick Joshua to catch up with him at some point and knock the big man out.
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Re: Is Tyson Fury dangerous for Anthony Joshua ?

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Tyson Fury is a realtime mockery of himself, the HW lineal championship, and boxing in general.

The only threat he poses in boxing is to the front row if he slipped climbing his fat, pathetic, coked up, PED violating ass into the ring and splatted some unlucky worshipper.
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Re: Is Tyson Fury dangerous for Anthony Joshua ?

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not at all.
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At Heavyweight every opponent is dangerous... If a guy is 6'9" X 250 and can box well and think well (in boxing terms) he poses a threat to anyone.
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Re: Is Tyson Fury dangerous for Anthony Joshua ?

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When has the world ever seen a near seven foot tall heavyweight posess actual ring generalship, hand speed, and genuine skills who can switch from orthodox to southpaw? Never. Even when Fury was hog fat in fights before, he made good heavyweights look like crap, as if they were sparring sessions. He could lay on the ropes, and just dodge punches like what he did against Joey Abbell and come out on top. His upperbody movement has always been great for a man of his size.

Joshua, for all intents and purposes, has the Joe Louis-Stalk-Like-The-Mummy feet... He has a shorter reach than Fury... He's shown to have a weak chin in his fight with Wladimir... He's shown he has bad cardiovascular strength... If he can land, sure he is a threat to anyone in the world... But that's the fight in a nutshell... IF... and why waste our saliva wondering if a slow footed, power puncher with an iffy chin is gonna land on a slick mover who is so big and awkward that he won EVERY round against Chisora, stopping him with JABS. No Fury doesn't have good power, and he's not always entertaining to watch... but fights arent won because of whose entertaining. Fights are won by the sheer capabilities.

I tend to think personally that Luis Ortiz and Deontay Wilder and even Joseph Parker are slightly better than Joshua. So to pit him against the likes of Fury, I find somewhat laughable. It'd be HUGE in promotion, a real battle for Britain that could possibly eclipse Bruno-Lewis in terms of worth and substance, but he's not the threat ((imho)) that people believe him to be. He's too musclebound, etc. and lacks the fluidity to defeat someone like a Fury. I may be wrong, but that's my two cents.
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Re: Is Tyson Fury dangerous for Anthony Joshua ?

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Kind of a stupid question. If they do fight, which I doubt, Joshua will throw more than 19 punches per round, and land more than 4 punches per round, which is an all time low for any title fight. Fury landed 86 punches over the entire fight, which is borderline pathetic for a championship fight. To me he looks sloppy, uncoordinated, and awkward. His size is his best attribute, by far. If any heavyweight has a vicious body attack to his soft middle, he wouldn't last past the 6th round. Way too many head hunters out there, and with a guy 6'9", it is the wrong strategy.

Fury is about as much of a danger for Joshua as is Mayweather, or any retired guy. 2 yrs off, fat tub of shitt, PED accusations to clear up, mentally unstable, and is a jackass when at his best. Entertaining to many I suppose, but is a disgrace to boxing imo. I like Amir Khan more than Fury, and that isn't saying much.
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Re: Is Tyson Fury dangerous for Anthony Joshua ?

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Very dangerous. Guy beats everyone in the division if he's in top form.
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Mexi-Box wrote:Very dangerous. Guy beats everyone in the division if he's in top form.
Are you talking about Fury?

I don't know what the hell drugs people are on that they've deluded themselves into thinking Tyson Fury is this good of a fighter, but I promise you he's not.

His Heavyweight title win was a farce.
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As Peter Mcdonagh tweeted before the fight....

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Joshua should beat Fury , that's if Fury ever fights at elite level again I guess
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To put Fury's "great performance" vs Wlad into perspective, an old 42 yr chubby George Foreman landed 100 more punches (than Fury did against Wlad) in a losing effort against an undefeated 28yr old prime Evander Holyfield.

Fury beat Wlad, but come on man. He had the second worst heavyweight performance I have ever seen in a heavyweight title fight.
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gilgamesh wrote:
Mexi-Box wrote:Very dangerous. Guy beats everyone in the division if he's in top form.
Are you talking about Fury?

I don't know what the hell drugs people are on that they've deluded themselves into thinking Tyson Fury is this good of a fighter, but I promise you he's not.

His Heavyweight title win was a farce.
Are you serious? You are on some grade-A-meff like Floyd's uncle. Fury destroyed Klitschko a lot easier than AJ. He's the lineal heavyweight champion of the world, like it or not.
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Mexi-Box wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
Mexi-Box wrote:Very dangerous. Guy beats everyone in the division if he's in top form.
Are you talking about Fury?

I don't know what the hell drugs people are on that they've deluded themselves into thinking Tyson Fury is this good of a fighter, but I promise you he's not.

His Heavyweight title win was a farce.
Are you serious? You are on some grade-A-meff like Floyd's uncle. Fury destroyed Klitschko a lot easier than AJ. He's the lineal heavyweight champion of the world, like it or not.
Destroyed Klitschko? He won a staring contest. It was one of the worst fights ever, and both fighters looked like garbage that night.
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gilgamesh wrote:
Mexi-Box wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
Are you talking about Fury?

I don't know what the hell drugs people are on that they've deluded themselves into thinking Tyson Fury is this good of a fighter, but I promise you he's not.

His Heavyweight title win was a farce.
Are you serious? You are on some grade-A-meff like Floyd's uncle. Fury destroyed Klitschko a lot easier than AJ. He's the lineal heavyweight champion of the world, like it or not.
Destroyed Klitschko? He won a staring contest. It was one of the worst fights ever, and both fighters looked like garbage that night.
Fury made him look like garbage because he's easily the best heavyweight currently. AJ almost got KTFO by an older, slower Klitschko.
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Mexi-Box wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
Mexi-Box wrote: Are you serious? You are on some grade-A-meff like Floyd's uncle. Fury destroyed Klitschko a lot easier than AJ. He's the lineal heavyweight champion of the world, like it or not.
Destroyed Klitschko? He won a staring contest. It was one of the worst fights ever, and both fighters looked like garbage that night.
Fury made him look like garbage because he's easily the best heavyweight currently. AJ almost got KTFO by an older, slower Klitschko.
Fury looked like garbage in that fight as well. It was one guy not fighting, and one guy barely fighting. Barely fighting won the day on that occasion, but both fighters looked like sh*t.

Fury knew he was the luckiest son of a bitch in the world to catch a Wladimir that was clearly so off his game he just didn't even fight at all which is why Fury did everything he could to avoid the rematch.

Fury will never be a relevant fighter in the sport again. He may come back for one more significant fight against Joshua at some point, and he will be flattened when he does, and the world will forever him remember him as one of the weakest Heavyweight Champions there's ever been.
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Mexi-Box wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
Mexi-Box wrote: Are you serious? You are on some grade-A-meff like Floyd's uncle. Fury destroyed Klitschko a lot easier than AJ. He's the lineal heavyweight champion of the world, like it or not.
Destroyed Klitschko? He won a staring contest. It was one of the worst fights ever, and both fighters looked like garbage that night.
Fury made him look like garbage because he's easily the best heavyweight currently. AJ almost got KTFO by an older, slower Klitschko.
I think it is a pretty fair assumption that Klitschko saw Joshua as a much bigger threat than fury leading up to their respective fights. Based on that, I think it is also a fair assumption that Klitschko's preparation was a lot more focused too leading up to the Joshua fight. If you watch the two fights closely, Klitschko's movement and activity is much improved vs. Joshua, as vs. Fury he just hovered for 11 rounds.

One excellent performance should not justify such status. Had Fury backed this up on the rematch, or against another top 10 fighter, than we'd be having a very different conversation. But he didn't. All it has done is pose the question, was this an anomaly (for either fighter), or is this what/who Fury is?
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candyslim wrote:AJ will cut the ring off
Why do you think he'll do that? Wlad showed his footwork was way better than Joshua's, and Fury showed his footwork is much better still than Wlad.
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Badhusker wrote:To put Fury's "great performance" vs Wlad into perspective, an old 42 yr chubby George Foreman landed 100 more punches (than Fury did against Wlad) in a losing effort against an undefeated 28yr old prime Evander Holyfield.

Fury beat Wlad, but come on man. He had the second worst heavyweight performance I have ever seen in a heavyweight title fight.
So what you are saying is the Wlad Fury fought was a mess, shot to peices, totally finished. And Joshua got knocked down and lost a load of rounds to an even older more shot version.
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Badhusker wrote:To put Fury's "great performance" vs Wlad into perspective, an old 42 yr chubby George Foreman landed 100 more punches (than Fury did against Wlad) in a losing effort against an undefeated 28yr old prime Evander Holyfield.

Fury beat Wlad, but come on man. He had the second worst heavyweight performance I have ever seen in a heavyweight title fight.
It was bad... But I've seen 10 X worse in Heavyweight Title Fights... First take Floyd Patterson's 2 efforts against Sonny Liston... Then Michael Spinks' showing against Tyson... Then Odlanier Solis' 1-minute showing versus Vitali Klitschko... Herbie Hide's 2-round effort against Klitschko... Charles Martin's 2-round imitation of a punching bag versus Joshua... Joe Walcott's quick exit in his rematch with Marciano... Sonny Liston's performance in his rematch with Ali... Marvis Frazier's 1-minute job against Larry Holmes... Gerry Cooney's effort against Michael Spinks... Buster Douglas's abomination against Holyfield... It only gets worse from there.

Stink-out performances are extremely common... This IS Boxing after all...not the most mentally pulled together group of competitors the world has seen
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BitPlayer wrote:
Badhusker wrote:To put Fury's "great performance" vs Wlad into perspective, an old 42 yr chubby George Foreman landed 100 more punches (than Fury did against Wlad) in a losing effort against an undefeated 28yr old prime Evander Holyfield.

Fury beat Wlad, but come on man. He had the second worst heavyweight performance I have ever seen in a heavyweight title fight.
So what you are saying is the Wlad Fury fought was a mess, shot to peices, totally finished. And Joshua got knocked down and lost a load of rounds to an even older more shot version.

Wlad sure looked like it. It exposed his game as a boxer that was so confused by Fury's antics, he didn't have any answers. I thought if Steward was in his corner he probably would have physically slapped him so he would have done something. The Wlad we saw against Joshua was a different fighter in my eyes. For the first time in a long time he had something to prove instead of retiring after such an embarassing loss. His brother would have done better without any training at all I am guessing. :OhYes:
Imagine how many heavyweights out there would have done the same to Wlad if he only landed 4 punches per round. Poor preparation, and poor game plan. I have trouble giving Fury so much credit when Wlad did so little.
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It is a match up I would like to see, because I think Tyson Fury has got an awful lot in the armoury to give Anthony Joshua some serious problems. Because Fury is taller, has that long reach, and switch hit a long with switching to counter punching and boxing long.

Fury has the footwork and the guile to give Joshua an absolute nightmare should the fight occur mid to early 2018. However Joshua has got the power and accuracy to get himself out of trouble.
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Tyson Fury is a poor joke. He is far more dangerous to himself than he is to other boxers. He does not rate being considered a boxer at this point.

Fury is the worst champion of any flavor related to boxing. Utterly pathetic.
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Of course. He outclasses A.J. in A.J.'s most formidable trait: size. Does A.J. have enough skill to make up for it? Maybe, but it's far from certain, so yes, Fury poses as a legit threat.
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Tanzio wrote:Tyson Fury is a poor joke. He is far more dangerous to himself than he is to other boxers. He does not rate being considered a boxer at this point.

Fury is the worst champion of any flavor related to boxing. Utterly pathetic.
Although I agree Fury perhaps received too much respect by some for the beating of an underwhelming Klitschko, the degree of which you pour scorn on to Fury every 5-6 posts is borderline trolling.
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