Who will be P4P #1 after September 16?

Freedom2013 · Post by **Freedom2013** » 11 May 2017, 12:53

Who will be P4P #1?

Winner of Ward-Kovalev or Golovkin-Alvarez?

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 11 May 2017, 12:54

Maybe still Vasyl Lomachenko or someone like that, but if any of the 4 big name fighters in the respective upcoming superfights get a clear, controversy free win in either of those fights that'll definitely be a huge boost.

Rob3_142 · Post by **Rob3_142** » 11 May 2017, 13:00

Hard one for me. I think currently Ward-Kovalev are higher up in P4P than Golovkin-Canelo, so a winner from the first fight will probably edge it. That being said, if someone was to get an impressive KO of his opponent, I would like for that to weigh heavily in who would take the spot.

Baby Face Finster · Post by **Baby Face Finster** » 11 May 2017, 13:01

Rob3_142 wrote:Hard one for me. I think currently Ward-Kovalev are higher up in P4P than Golovkin-Canelo, so a winner from the first fight will probably edge it. That being said, if someone was to get an impressive KO of his opponent, I would like for that to weigh heavily in who would take the spot.

x2

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 11 May 2017, 13:01

Rob3_142 wrote:Hard one for me. I think currently Ward-Kovalev are higher up in P4P than Golovkin-Canelo, so a winner from the first fight will probably edge it. That being said, if someone was to get an impressive KO of his opponent, I would like for that to weigh heavily in who would take the spot.

How impressive the victory was, and how good of a fight it was usually always factors into how people rank the fighters.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 11 May 2017, 13:15

gilgamesh wrote:Maybe still Vasyl Lomachenko or someone like that, but if any of the 4 big name fighters in the respective upcoming superfights get a clear, controversy free win in either of those fights that'll definitely be a huge boost.

Still Lomachenko?

Why don't you wait until he has earned that status before you call him the No.1?

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 11 May 2017, 13:16

Lomachenko needs a few more fights and wins over quality before he can be p4p 1...

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 11 May 2017, 13:20

Horse wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:Maybe still Vasyl Lomachenko or someone like that, but if any of the 4 big name fighters in the respective upcoming superfights get a clear, controversy free win in either of those fights that'll definitely be a huge boost.
Still Lomachenko?

Why don't you wait until he has earned that status before you call him the No.1?

His dominant victories over Walters and Sosa is as impressive as anything any other fighter in the sport is currently doing. He HAS earned his status. Walters was the #1 Featherweight just a short while ago and Lomachenko absolutely dominated him with ease.

He's already thoroughly beaten Gary Russell Jr.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 11 May 2017, 13:22

walshb wrote:Lomachenko needs a few more fights and wins over quality before he can be p4p 1...

He has more quality wins than a lot of other big name fighters already, and his wins have been of the dominant variety.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 11 May 2017, 13:25

gilgamesh wrote:
walshb wrote:Lomachenko needs a few more fights and wins over quality before he can be p4p 1...
He has more quality wins than a lot of other big name fighters already, and his wins have been of the dominant variety.

His best win was Russell. Walters was good, and Sosa was good..Needs a few more wins and maybe a rise to LW?

Robert Easter would be a very difficult opponent for Vasyl....

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 11 May 2017, 13:26

gilgamesh wrote:His dominant victories over Walters and Sosa is as impressive as anything any other fighter in the sport is currently doing. He HAS earned his status. Walters was the #1 Featherweight just a short while ago and Lomachenko absolutely dominated him with ease.

He's already thoroughly beaten Gary Russell Jr.

Sosa is a vastly overrated fighter on this forum. Sosa is worth very little at P4P level.

Russell Jr is not that great either.

Lomachenko is building up a decent record, but it's still clearly too weak for the No. 1 spot.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 11 May 2017, 13:27

walshb wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
walshb wrote:Lomachenko needs a few more fights and wins over quality before he can be p4p 1...
He has more quality wins than a lot of other big name fighters already, and his wins have been of the dominant variety.
His best win was Russell. Walters was good, and Sosa was good..Needs a few more wins and maybe a rise to LW?

Robert Easter would be a very difficult opponent for Vasyl....

There are still plenty of solid fighters at 130 I'd love to see him face before rushing up to Lightweight. I consider Walters to be his best victory personally because Walters has the most significant win on his resume of all the guys Loma has beaten.

Gary doesn't have anywhere near as significant a win as Walters' win over Donaire. Gary's high standing is mostly based on his perceived potential.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 11 May 2017, 13:27

Horse wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:His dominant victories over Walters and Sosa is as impressive as anything any other fighter in the sport is currently doing. He HAS earned his status. Walters was the #1 Featherweight just a short while ago and Lomachenko absolutely dominated him with ease.

He's already thoroughly beaten Gary Russell Jr.
Sosa is a vastly overrated fighter on this forum. Sosa is worth very little at P4P level.

Russell Jr is not that great either.

Lomachenko is building up a decent record, but it's still clearly too weak for the No. 1 spot.

A clear victory for the winner of the Kovalev/Ward or GGG/Canelo fights probably takes the #1 spot from Vasyl, but for now, Vasyl has been more impressive than any of those 4 men as of late IMO.

You don't have to agree with me.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 11 May 2017, 13:31

gilgamesh wrote:A clear victory for the winner of the Kovalev/Ward or GGG/Canelo fights probably takes the #1 spot from Vasyl, but for now, Vasyl has been more impressive than any of those 4 men as of late IMO.

You don't have to agree with me.

It's an insult to boxing to put Lomachenko at No. 1.

Lomachenko has a very good chance of earning the No. 1 spot properly in the next couple of years.

You are cheapening that possible achievement by claiming that he is already the P4P No. 1.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 11 May 2017, 13:37

Horse wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:A clear victory for the winner of the Kovalev/Ward or GGG/Canelo fights probably takes the #1 spot from Vasyl, but for now, Vasyl has been more impressive than any of those 4 men as of late IMO.

You don't have to agree with me.
It's an insult to boxing to put Lomachenko at No. 1.

Lomachenko has a very good chance of earning the No. 1 spot properly in the next couple of years.

You are cheapening that possible achievement by claiming that he is already the P4P No. 1.

I disagree. I believe he's already there. Like I said you don't have to agree with me. He's out there getting dominant victories. GGG, Kovalev and Ward are currently not. If that changes in the next few months then so will my P4P #1.

Also I don't see how it's insulting to rank the guy who is beating very high level fighters with the greatest of ease an insult to Boxing.

Now good day sir.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 11 May 2017, 13:42

gilgamesh wrote:Also I don't see how it's insulting to rank the guy who is beating very high level fighters with the greatest of ease an insult to Boxing.

He's not beating very high level fighters.

Stop overrating his opposition.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 11 May 2017, 13:46

Horse wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:Also I don't see how it's insulting to rank the guy who is beating very high level fighters with the greatest of ease an insult to Boxing.
He's not beating very high level fighters.

Stop overrating his opposition.

Says the guy who is constantly swinging from Tyson "I Won the Heavyweight Title in a Staring Contest" Fury's balls?

I expressed my opinion. You don't have to agree with it as I said. Now kindly f*ck off.

Freedom2013 · Post by **Freedom2013** » 11 May 2017, 13:48

Right now I have Lomachenko as P4P #1.

But if GGG defeats Alvarez convincingly or vice versa, I will change it.

If Ward were to defeat Kovalev fairly, without illegal tactics and crooked officials, he might deserve it but not if loses and then receives another robbery on the cards. If Kovalev KOs Ward, he obviously deserves consideration.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 11 May 2017, 13:50

Freedom2013 wrote:Right now I have Lomachenko as P4P #1.

But if GGG defeats Alvarez convincingly or vice versa, I will change it.

If Ward were to defeat Kovalev fairly, without illegal tactics and crooked officials, he might deserve it but not if loses and then receives another robbery on the cards. If Kovalev KOs Ward, he obviously deserves consideration.

So what I'm reading here is that if Ward wins you're not gonna give him credit because you're gonna claim he was cheating?

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 11 May 2017, 13:51

gilgamesh wrote:Says the guy who is constantly swinging from Tyson "I Won the Heavyweight Title in a Staring Contest" Fury's balls?

I expressed my opinion. You don't have to agree with it as I said. Now kindly f*ck off.

I never claimed that Fury was the champion until he beat Klitschko.

Lomachenko is being over hyped and overrated, as is his opposition.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 11 May 2017, 13:55

Horse wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:Says the guy who is constantly swinging from Tyson "I Won the Heavyweight Title in a Staring Contest" Fury's balls?

I expressed my opinion. You don't have to agree with it as I said. Now kindly f*ck off.
I never claimed that Fury was the champion until he beat Klitschko.

Lomachenko is being over hyped and overrated, as is his opposition.

P4P #1 isn't an actual title that is held by anybody. It is an opinion that different people expressed. Lomachenko being overhyped and overrated is YOUR opinion and you're entitled to it, but I have a different one.

It's not all that often by the way that who is P4P #1 is clear. I know it has seemed that way with Mayweather and Pac being the dominant P4P forces for so long, but there have been several times in Boxing history where there was debate about who was the #1 guy in the sport. This is just another one of those times.

Jip · Post by **Jip** » 11 May 2017, 14:16

The best boxer in the world is and will be in future time loma.

The boxer with the best record will be the winner of ggg canelo.

Ossyrules · Post by **Ossyrules** » 11 May 2017, 14:56

Golovkin after he beats canelo

I can't wait for that fight it's huge.

Ward vs kovalev is a good fight in boxing terms but size wise it would undercard the golovkin fight

Tanzio · Post by **Tanzio** » 11 May 2017, 15:02

Horse wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:Says the guy who is constantly swinging from Tyson "I Won the Heavyweight Title in a Staring Contest" Fury's balls?

I expressed my opinion. You don't have to agree with it as I said. Now kindly f*ck off.
I never claimed that Fury was the champion until he beat Klitschko.

. . . then immediately became a disgrace to the sport, and a waddling mockery of himself.

man · Post by **man** » 11 May 2017, 15:06

it will be canelo, who carefully managed
the timing of his bout with GGG.