Is Tyson Fury dangerous for Anthony Joshua ?

[Tanzio]

bruh you're too old to be menstruating, surely? a hysterectonomy can work wonders for a lady of your advancing years, Tanz

(thought it may not help with the Parkinsonian tendency toawards repeating yourself ad nauseum, thats just getting old for you

Your description is far more apt for the Coke troll you still worship for one decent night in the ring.

I will spare you tonight, Counter-Slusher. Anyone who is so inebriated that he mispells a significant percentage of his weak attempt at an insulting post just needs to sleep it off.

My description, of what, of you as Parkinsonian applies to Fury?

As for mis-spelling, jeez bruh that's weak anyway but I think I see hysterectomy misspelled. And, uh, what else again, my memory isn't what it used to be, all that worship of Tyson Fury must be prematurely ageing my poor brain matter.

Seriously though, now, the coke troll gags, we know, tanzio, we know. There are Amazonian Indians two thousand miles from civilisation who have had enough of that gag now, so come on, the comparison to Kaplan was made in sadness as well as in jest, you're better than that bruh to be repeating yourself so tiresomely.

I nickname people, Counter-Slusher. Repetition is good branding. GingerHead is proof of that. Would you prefer The Kong of Coke Mountain? My personal favorite is The Traveling Coke Troll.

[Counter-puncher]

You give pretty crappy nicknames that don't deserve the repetition, exactly my point

[candyslim]

It does amuse and amaze me: Here we have a bunch of people who know way more about boxing than your average sports nut. Let's face it, you aren't going to frequent a boxing forum if it isn't one of your core interests, and since it is (one of your core interests), it's highly probable you're going to know a fair bit about it. So we have all these fans ranging in degree of expert knowledge, people whose opinions I respect (don't get swell-headed, everyone gets my respect until they prove to me they're a flaming idiot) yet opinions about Fury range from "manzacunt and an obese crackhead with verbal diarrhoea and little ability to speak of" to "The rightful and undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the world with supreme boxing skills and audacious ability".

Even allowing for the 6' 9" mass/mess of contradiction that is Fury, how can men of knowledge and perception be so polarized in their opinions?

As with most things when you have two such extravagant extremes, I believe the truth abides somewhere between the two. I say Tyson is a troubled individual with bags of boxing talent. I sincerely hope he can get his ducks in line and that he will return as a force in the Heavyweight division because boxing in general and British boxing in particular, cannot have too many quality Heavyweight contenders.

Whether he has, or even had, the tools to overcome the latest edition of Anthony Joshua, I have very considerable reservations about, but I sure would 'like the opportunity to watch that question get answered at some point in the not too dim and distant.

[greg]

...everyone gets my respect until they prove to me they're a flaming idiot) yet opinions about Fury range from "manzacunt and an obese crackhead with verbal diarrhoea and little ability to speak of" to "The rightful and undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the world with supreme boxing skills and audacious ability"...

..I don't see any contradiction here, human species evolve, sometimes in the wrong direction though.. anyway, I hope he comes back..

[Rob3_142]

...everyone gets my respect until they prove to me they're a flaming idiot) yet opinions about Fury range from "manzacunt and an obese crackhead with verbal diarrhoea and little ability to speak of" to "The rightful and undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the world with supreme boxing skills and audacious ability"...

..I don't see any contradiction here, human species evolve, sometimes in the wrong direction though.. anyway, I hope he comes back..

That's not evolution though. Fury hasn't evolved. He's always been the same. He's just perceived differently by people.

[candyslim]

No Greg you've found a contradiction that wasn't intended by taking two sentences out of the full context. If you look at the full paragraph again the contradiction I was alluding to was that people who study a subject and know so much about it can be poles apart in their beliefs. The fact that you have extracted that sentence along with one other where I say that I respect everyone until they prove to be an idiot, suggests the two sentences are connected which was not the case.

[greg]

...everyone gets my respect until they prove to me they're a flaming idiot) yet opinions about Fury range from "manzacunt and an obese crackhead with verbal diarrhoea and little ability to speak of" to "The rightful and undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the world with supreme boxing skills and audacious ability"...

..I don't see any contradiction here, human species evolve, sometimes in the wrong direction though.. anyway, I hope he comes back..

That's not evolution though. Fury hasn't evolved. He's always been the same. He's just perceived differently by people.

..that with the evolution was sarcasm..I thought that was obvious..

[Thomastearns]

A fit and prime Fury on his best night should be very dangerous for Joshua, in terms of handing him a loss.

I just think if and when it happens, it won't be that version of Fury that we see and Joshua beats him up, tarnishing Fury's record and enhancing Joshua's.

Yeah, you get the feeling that it killed something in Fury winning that fight, mentally and physically. Once he achieved his dream there was no focal point to keeping his issues in check. He was an accident waiting to happen, many around him said it for years.

Unless you are lucky enough to be a very balanced and well adjusted person you may have no chance in your battles outside the ring. The pressures outside the ring must be incredible for those who fall prey to the many sharks who populate this sport.

Some fighters seek a means of maintaining self control and turn to religion, and/or a surrogate father figure.

Others may just look for a never ending release of tension via alcohol, drugs, food, gambling, illicit sex, media rants etc.

Unless, of course, you are Mike Tyson. Then all of the above don't work so you seek refuge in prison. Still the greatest story in modern boxing.

Tyson Fury must be kicking himself a bit for not cashing in on his surprise victory over an out of sorts Klitschko. Possibly the best display of elusiveness seen in the heavyweight ranks since the days of a young Ali. Now he will focus on the chance of achieving greatness by getting back to the top of the mountain.

The problem is that the pressures around him will be twice as great this time.

[candyslim]

Yeah, you get the feeling that it killed something in Fury winning that fight, mentally and physically. Once he achieved his dream there was no focal point to keeping his issues in check.

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That's exactly how I see it and I'm sure I've said as much on here. It's a shame he didn't see the title as a stepping stone on the road to achieving his long term ambition of becoming an ATG heavyweight. Sadly that ambition was Joshua's not Fury's, as further goals might have kept 'the black dog' from biting him, maybe for years.

[Rob3_142]

..I don't see any contradiction here, human species evolve, sometimes in the wrong direction though.. anyway, I hope he comes back..

That's not evolution though. Fury hasn't evolved. He's always been the same. He's just perceived differently by people.

..that with the evolution was sarcasm..I thought that was obvious..

Obviously not.

[Rob3_142]

A fit and prime Fury on his best night should be very dangerous for Joshua, in terms of handing him a loss.

I just think if and when it happens, it won't be that version of Fury that we see and Joshua beats him up, tarnishing Fury's record and enhancing Joshua's.

Yeah, you get the feeling that it killed something in Fury winning that fight, mentally and physically. Once he achieved his dream there was no focal point to keeping his issues in check. He was an accident waiting to happen, many around him said it for years.

Unless you are lucky enough to be a very balanced and well adjusted person you may have no chance in your battles outside the ring. The pressures outside the ring must be incredible for those who fall prey to the many sharks who populate this sport.

Some fighters seek a means of maintaining self control and turn to religion, and/or a surrogate father figure.

Others may just look for a never ending release of tension via alcohol, drugs, food, gambling, illicit sex, media rants etc.

Unless, of course, you are Mike Tyson. Then all of the above don't work so you seek refuge in prison. Still the greatest story in modern boxing.

Tyson Fury must be kicking himself a bit for not cashing in on his surprise victory over an out of sorts Klitschko. Possibly the best display of elusiveness seen in the heavyweight ranks since the days of a young Ali. Now he will focus on the chance of achieving greatness by getting back to the top of the mountain.

The problem is that the pressures around him will be twice as great this time.

The only thing I will say is, that at least not he'll be sharing that mantle with Joshua. Might actually be healthy to have that rivalry.

[Sequitorian]

Anthony Joshua would knock that mental-case out in three rounds or less ...

[Badhusker]

How can someone be a danger to anyone if he is not even fighting? Right now Fury is irrelevant, retired. That is why I think this entire thread is stupid. When Fury gets back into action, then we can discuss this BS. If he DOES get back active, he will need to earn his shot. Until then he is just a loudmouth trying to keep his name relevant. All kinds of idiots are biting on his bullshit on this forum.

[Tanzio]

You give pretty crappy nicknames that don't deserve the repetition, exactly my point

Matter of opinion, Counter-Slusher. You are "crappy" at spelling, counting, and insults when inebriated. Only the latter of the three is opinion.

[ValMar]

How can someone be a danger to anyone if he is not even fighting? Right now Fury is irrelevant, retired. That is why I think this entire thread is stupid. When Fury gets back into action, then we can discuss this BS. If he DOES get back active, he will need to earn his shot. Until then he is just a loudmouth trying to keep his name relevant. All kinds of idiots are biting on his bullshit on this forum.

Opening this thread I meant about healthy/fit/in shape TF version, and I wrote this. So, I wouldn't tell you that you are stupid or an idiot. I suppose that you did not read the first post. If someone is capable to defeat the HW champion (who lost perhaps ten rounds in ten years) then he must not be considered irrelevant.
By the way, I don't like TF's behaviour, but I have to admit that he is the most skillful HW since Ali.
I do not intend to write about Joshua right now, but it is very difficult to me imagine boxing fan who would not like to see the fight Joshua vs Fury.
Maybe, something is wrong with me, but I can not imagine this kind of boxing fan.............

[Jip]

In a burger eating contest

[jbizzle20]

This is probably irrelevant because Fury looks done. His mind is elsewhere now and he looks terrible. If he did round into shape, he probably is, just due to his physical talent, but he'd be an underdog against Joshua because he has glaring holes in his defense and his KO power is good but not great. Joshua showed heart against Wlad and I give him the edge in that over Fury. I think Fury's size and physical ability causes people to overrate him but he's not all there in the IQ/mental game.

[Kalan]

Tyson Fury must be kicking himself a bit for not cashing in on his surprise victory over an out of sorts Klitschko. Possibly the best display of elusiveness seen in the heavyweight ranks since the days of a young Ali.

The victory was no surprise to many... Fury is 6'9" X 250 with a massive reach and good skills.. Wladimir has no body attack and no inside game.. He's not a skilled attacker and ring cutter like Joshua.. He's always been taller or almost as tall as any opponent -- and he always had greater range than his opponents.. Range is different than reach - it's how efficiently you use your reach - with involves balance, footwork, timing, form, and accuracy.. Fury is the first guy who could out-jab Klitschko and land more punches per round since Manny Steward took over Wlad's coaching in 2003.

Fury was more elusive than Ali.. He didn't lay on the ropes and he slipped punches better.. Ali got tagged with blooping shots while he was pulling away.. His radar wasn't real good and he should have gotten out much earlier.. Holmes had a better defense but he got tagged with big rights and dropped like he was shot. You didn't have any Vitali Klitschko's or Oliver McCall's in those days who could absorb a big punch. Even Chuvalo got pounded silly by Frazier and Foreman and had to be pulled out early. Unfortunately Fury has tons of psychological problems and it's doubtful he'll have any more big wins or title shots.

[candyslim]

How can someone be a danger to anyone if he is not even fighting? Right now Fury is irrelevant, retired. That is why I think this entire thread is stupid. When Fury gets back into action, then we can discuss this BS. If he DOES get back active, he will need to earn his shot. Until then he is just a loudmouth trying to keep his name relevant. All kinds of idiots are biting on his bullshit on this forum.

Tyson has only been inactive as long as Klitschko had two weeks ago when the very much older man came roaring back giving a performance to rival his best ever. Granted he is way more disciplined than Fury and keeps in shape but Fury has never been the six-pack type and putting on 50+ lbs when you're 6' 9" and 250lbs anyway isn't as bad as it would be if he were a smaller man. From what I hear he's back in the gym and shedding the excess.

It could be we have seen the best of him but even a 90% Tyson is a force to be reckoned with, and a welcome addition to the mix in my opinion.

You're very quick to call people idiots bh but this a forum, where people come to have a sensible discussion or talk sh*t as is their want, about all things boxing, whether it's last night's fight or a match or a subject that is a pure conjecture.

I imagine if topics were restricted to what is real and imminent, this forum would be a lot less entertaining than it is, don't you?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Fury could be at the Apex of his training and activity, still no threat. Brutal matchup for him.

[Counter-puncher]

You give pretty crappy nicknames that don't deserve the repetition, exactly my point

Matter of opinion, Counter-Slusher. You are "crappy" at spelling, counting, and insults when inebriated. Only the latter of the three is opinion.

Well, I'm crappy at spelling and counting, that's told me I'm appropriately disconsolate

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I must say the tanzian monikers for fighters can lead to posts where I have no idea who he's talking about.

[greg]

That's not evolution though. Fury hasn't evolved. He's always been the same. He's just perceived differently by people.

..that with the evolution was sarcasm..I thought that was obvious..

Obviously not.

making sure you understand what I was talking about...with a pinch of salt, of course:

[Rob3_142]

How can someone be a danger to anyone if he is not even fighting? Right now Fury is irrelevant, retired. That is why I think this entire thread is stupid. When Fury gets back into action, then we can discuss this BS. If he DOES get back active, he will need to earn his shot. Until then he is just a loudmouth trying to keep his name relevant. All kinds of idiots are biting on his bullshit on this forum.

Doesn't Fury still hold some status where he can return and fight for his belts?

[man]

Doesn't Fury still hold some status where he can return and fight for his belts?

nope, he doesn't.