Joshua-Klitschko II - 28th October - Millennium Stadium (Cardiff, Wales)?

[verlichte]

“Anthony Joshua rematch with Wladimir Klitschko pencilled in for October at Principality Stadium”

The Principality Stadium (aka the Millennium Stadium), which is located in Cardiff, Wales, is the likely venue for the Joshua-Klitschko rematch, which currently has a target date of the 28th October, 2017.

It is the second-largest stadium in the world with a fully retractable roof, so poor weather shouldn’t concern any fight fans that want to attend the rematch.

The nature of the retractable roof actually amplifies the crowd noise, which will inevitably create a cauldron-like atmosphere emitted from the 50k+ partisan crowd.

The only potential drawbacks that I can perceive about staging the fight in the Millennium Stadium, relates to the fact that: fewer people will be able to attend the rematch; and, the extremely amplified crowd noise will inevitably influence the judges’ scoring of evenly-contested rounds.

[lazboy]

EO- Although I can't say if it does or doesn't actually happen. Being influenced by the crowd is not ok. A judge represents the very figure of an unbiased spectator. This should not be happening and surely...surely an experienced judge can look beyond this very base level of bias.

[Ossyrules]

The millennium is a tremendous stadium capable of holding the best events. I have no doubt that the event would be a success there

As for crowd noises. With a big home favourite you can expect the crowd to get loud when their guy throws punches, wherever the fight is held. From York hall to the MEN to the 02, or a stadium. All we can hope for as fans is that judges score the fight, not the crowd

[verlichte]

EO- Although I can't say if it does or doesn't actually happen. Being influenced by the crowd is not ok. A judge represents the very figure of an unbiased spectator. This should not be happening and surely...surely an experienced judge can look beyond this very base level of bias.

The WBC have recently acknowledged the fact that external noise emitted from the crowd, TV commentators, music etc. can be highly-distracting. So they’re piloting the use of noise cancelling headphone to be worn by Judges whilst they score fights.

Therefore, my comments about partisan crowds unduly influencing the judges’ scoring of evenly-contested rounds is something that is acknowledged to be a genuine problem, hence the WBC’s use of noise cancelling headphones.

Unfortunately, this doesn’t affect the Joshua-Klitschko rematch, because the WBC belt isn’t up for grabs.

[lazboy]

EO- Although I can't say if it does or doesn't actually happen. Being influenced by the crowd is not ok. A judge represents the very figure of an unbiased spectator. This should not be happening and surely...surely an experienced judge can look beyond this very base level of bias.

The WBC have recently acknowledged the fact that external noise emitted from the crowd, TV commentators, music etc. can be highly-distracting. So they’re piloting the use of noise cancelling headphone to worn by Judges whilst they score fights.

Therefore, my comments about partisan crowds unduly influencing the judges’ scoring of evenly-contested rounds is something that is acknowledged to be a genuine problem, hence the WBC’s use of noise cancelling headphones.

Unfortunately, this doesn’t affect the Joshua-Klitschko rematch, because the WBC belt isn’t up for grabs.

Without drawing you into an argument, your point is valid. IMO, I believe this is (in part) an excuse for incompetent and/or nefarious decisions.

[verlichte]

EO- Although I can't say if it does or doesn't actually happen. Being influenced by the crowd is not ok. A judge represents the very figure of an unbiased spectator. This should not be happening and surely...surely an experienced judge can look beyond this very base level of bias.

The WBC have recently acknowledged the fact that external noise emitted from the crowd, TV commentators, music etc. can be highly-distracting. So they’re piloting the use of noise cancelling headphone to worn by Judges whilst they score fights.

Therefore, my comments about partisan crowds unduly influencing the judges’ scoring of evenly-contested rounds is something that is acknowledged to be a genuine problem, hence the WBC’s use of noise cancelling headphones.

Unfortunately, this doesn’t affect the Joshua-Klitschko rematch, because the WBC belt isn’t up for grabs.

Without drawing you into an argument, your point is valid. IMO, I believe this is (in part) an excuse for incompetent and/or nefarious decisions.

To be honest, I wouldn’t like to be a judge responsible for scoring a marquee bout.

Fight fans nearly always scream “ROBBERY!” whenever the outcome of the judges decisions are announced and it isn't awarded to their favourite fighter… and this even applies to evenly-contested bouts, where an objective rationally-minded person would see a reasonable argument for either fighter gaining the nod.

I personally only ever accuse judges or being “incompetent” if they’ve scored a fight so badly that it lies in the realms of the type of decision submitted by C.J. Ross during the Canelo-Mayweather Jr. bout.

I flatly-refuse to propose “criminal” allegations, without evidence, when others sincerely believe that the reason for specific poor decisions was due to the “nefarious” nature of the judges. Those fight fans that make these serious allegations usually know absolutely nothing about the situation.

[caldo2025]

Crowd noise is a factor in almost every fight and there's nothing you could do about that. For AJ/Wk's first fight, I think that the scoring was pretty fair at the time of the stoppage so there's no reason to avoid fighting some place cool just because expected amplified crowd noise. The sequel with these two will most likely end in a stoppage again so what's the point?

I just find it strange that they wouldn't want to just do it again at Wembley and stack the rafters with 90k plus again. Why cut your audience in half for a rematch with more expectations than the first matchup? Seems silly to me.

[verlichte]

I just find it strange that they wouldn't want to just do it again at Wembley and stack the rafters with 90k plus again. Why cut your audience in half for a rematch with more expectations than the first matchup? Seems silly to me.

Whilst Wembley Stadium does have a retractable roof, it doesn’t cover the entire pitch, where the ring would be situated, coupled with additional seating. The target date (October/November) is at a time of year in the UK, where heavy rain is common place most days.

I also believe that Wembley Stadium is pretty much booked up (as per Eddie Hearn’s comments). If you take a look at the official Wembley Stadium sports/concerts schedule, you’ll quickly realise this to be true. In addition to the currently known events, Tottenham Hotspur will also play all of their home matches at Wembley Stadium during the next Premier League season.

[caldo2025]

I just find it strange that they wouldn't want to just do it again at Wembley and stack the rafters with 90k plus again. Why cut your audience in half for a rematch with more expectations than the first matchup? Seems silly to me.

Whilst Wembley Stadium does have a retractable roof, it doesn’t cover the entire pitch, where the ring would be situated, coupled with additional seating. The target date (October/November) is at a time of year in the UK, where heavy rain is common place most days.

I also believe that Wembley Stadium is pretty much booked up (as per Eddie Hearn’s comments). If you take a look at the official Wembley Stadium sports/concerts schedule, you’ll quickly realise this to be true. In addition to the currently known events, Tottenham Hotspur will also play all of their home matches at Wembley Stadium during the next Premier League season.

That clears that up then, thanks.

[Kalan]

To be honest, I wouldn’t like to be a judge responsible for scoring a marquee bout.

Fight fans nearly always scream “ROBBERY!” whenever the outcome of the judges decisions are announced and it isn't awarded to their favourite fighter… and this even applies to evenly-contested bouts, where an objective rationally-minded person would see a reasonable argument for either fighter gaining the nod.

I personally only ever accuse judges or being “incompetent” if they’ve scored a fight so badly that it lies in the realms of the type of decision submitted by C.J. Ross during the Canelo-Mayweather Jr. bout.

I flatly-refuse to propose “criminal” allegations, without evidence, when others sincerely believe that the reason for specific poor decisions was due to the “nefarious” nature of the judges. Those fight fans that make these serious allegations usually know absolutely nothing about the situation.

Why wouldn't you want to be a judge??? ... If you're an honest and competent judge you wouldn't catch any flak and you'd help the sport. Plus you get the best seat in the house and you're paid well for an easy job.

CJ Ross wasn't criminal. She had no co-conspirators. She’s just an extremely biased individual and an incompetent judge. That she was working extremely important World Title fights after giving so many bad scores points to criminality. Commissions appoint incompetent officials who are known to have biases to certain fights because promoters and other interested parties ask them to.

Why was Lisa Giampa appointed to the Lomachenko-Russell fight??? She’s known to be incompetent and biased and I wasn’t surprised she called the fight a draw. The other 2 judges have kind of curious histories and I find it very strange they each found 4 rounds to give to Russell. When I looked at the officials for the Lomachenko-Salido fight I laughed. Laurence Cole, a referee so biased he was suspended by the commission for his conduct -- is selected for that World Title Fight?

I assume you saw the Lara-Williams fight... That fight was so obviously fixed that all three judges were suspended... That’s the best action you’ll see from commissions when dealing with corrupt judges – a meaningless suspension. Why? Because the commissioners are in on it too. They’re appointing the corrupt officials.

I don’t scream “ROBBERY.” ... But I know for a fact that fights are fixed. In the Mayweather-Castillo rematch a hit-team of officials was appointed. Larry O’Connell who was involved in the Lewis-Holyfield robbery. Ken Morita, who had Mike Tyson beating Buster Douglas through 9 rounds, when Mike was dominated and knocked out. Then you had a judge who you never see work in the US... I had I knew Floyd had to win at least 10 rounds decisively or he would lose the fight. The scorecards were a complete joke and exactly what I expected.

[Ossyrules]

Crowd noise is a factor in almost every fight and there's nothing you could do about that. For AJ/Wk's first fight, I think that the scoring was pretty fair at the time of the stoppage so there's no reason to avoid fighting some place cool just because expected amplified crowd noise. The sequel with these two will most likely end in a stoppage again so what's the point?

I just find it strange that they wouldn't want to just do it again at Wembley and stack the rafters with 90k plus again. Why cut your audience in half for a rematch with more expectations than the first matchup? Seems silly to me.

The millennium is far from half Wembley size. About 15k light

[verlichte]

Crowd noise is a factor in almost every fight and there's nothing you could do about that. For AJ/Wk's first fight, I think that the scoring was pretty fair at the time of the stoppage so there's no reason to avoid fighting some place cool just because expected amplified crowd noise. The sequel with these two will most likely end in a stoppage again so what's the point?

I just find it strange that they wouldn't want to just do it again at Wembley and stack the rafters with 90k plus again. Why cut your audience in half for a rematch with more expectations than the first matchup? Seems silly to me.

The millennium is far from half Wembley size. About 15k light

The largest attendance at the Millennium Stadium for a boxing event was the 50K that watched the Joe Calzaghe defeat Mikkel Kessler. Apparently there wasn’t a spare seat in the house for this fight.

The reason I originally quoted the 50K+ figure in the first post in this thread, was because this was the official attendance limit for boxing events…

That being said, I have recently and subsequently read somewhere that it may be possible to increase the attendance capacity in this stadium for the Joshua-Klitschko rematch to a maximum of 75K, which kind of concurs with what you’ve said.

[caldo2025]

Crowd noise is a factor in almost every fight and there's nothing you could do about that. For AJ/Wk's first fight, I think that the scoring was pretty fair at the time of the stoppage so there's no reason to avoid fighting some place cool just because expected amplified crowd noise. The sequel with these two will most likely end in a stoppage again so what's the point?

I just find it strange that they wouldn't want to just do it again at Wembley and stack the rafters with 90k plus again. Why cut your audience in half for a rematch with more expectations than the first matchup? Seems silly to me.

The millennium is far from half Wembley size. About 15k light

I believe the article said 55k boxing attendance at Millennium. So we were both wrong but I was closer.

[Ossyrules]

Crowd noise is a factor in almost every fight and there's nothing you could do about that. For AJ/Wk's first fight, I think that the scoring was pretty fair at the time of the stoppage so there's no reason to avoid fighting some place cool just because expected amplified crowd noise. The sequel with these two will most likely end in a stoppage again so what's the point?

I just find it strange that they wouldn't want to just do it again at Wembley and stack the rafters with 90k plus again. Why cut your audience in half for a rematch with more expectations than the first matchup? Seems silly to me.

The millennium is far from half Wembley size. About 15k light

I believe the article said 55k boxing attendance at Millennium. So we were both wrong but I was closer.

Regardless of the article and previous Calzaghe fight there, the stadium has a capacity of 74.5k I've just looked it up. No idea why they were 20-25k down on that for Calzaghe lacy

[caldo2025]

The millennium is far from half Wembley size. About 15k light

I believe the article said 55k boxing attendance at Millennium. So we were both wrong but I was closer.

Regardless of the article and previous Calzaghe fight there, the stadium has a capacity of 74.5k I've just looked it up. No idea why they were 20-25k down on that for Calzaghe lacy

Ok you win then. lol. That would make a lot more sense for the rematch then. As EO explained too, the weather is going to be a factor that i didn't consider. So inside is a must.

[asdfjkl]

Why not in june or july in Manchester again?

[man]

Why not in june or july in Manchester again?

maybe because it is already mid may?

[Badhusker]

It seems to me that quite a few people are putting the cart before the horse. Wlad has not even said he will fight in the rematch yet, correct? Worry about that part first.

[asdfjkl]

Why not in june or july in Manchester again?

maybe because it is already mid may?

So? Like they can't fill the stadion lol.

[Ossyrules]

Why not in june or july in Manchester again?

First fight wasn't in Manchester was in London

And these things take planning. A month or 2 isn't enough

[asdfjkl]

Why not in june or july in Manchester again?

First fight wasn't in Manchester was in London

And these things take planning. A month or 2 isn't enough

Wilder his opponents usually have far less then 2 months prepare time, I don't see the problem, a bit of a promotor should be able to take care of it.

[tiny_acres]

Why not in june or july in Manchester again?

First fight wasn't in Manchester was in London

And these things take planning. A month or 2 isn't enough

Wilder his opponents usually have far less then 2 months prepare time, I don't see the problem, a bit of a promotor should be able to take care of it.

I've been off of here for 7 weeks and I come back to your same stupidity.
No huge fight is promoted in 6 to 8 weeks.

[asdfjkl]

First fight wasn't in Manchester was in London

And these things take planning. A month or 2 isn't enough

Wilder his opponents usually have far less then 2 months prepare time, I don't see the problem, a bit of a promotor should be able to take care of it.

I've been off of here for 7 weeks and I come back to your same stupidity.
No huge fight is promoted in 6 to 8 weeks.

That's also a way of saying Wilder doesn't fight serious competition indeed. But they are still world title fights according to the WBC.

[tiny_acres]

Wilder his opponents usually have far less then 2 months prepare time, I don't see the problem, a bit of a promotor should be able to take care of it.

I've been off of here for 7 weeks and I come back to your same stupidity.
No huge fight is promoted in 6 to 8 weeks.

That's also a way of saying Wilder doesn't fight serious competition indeed. But they are still world title fights according to the WBC.

No one will argue that Wilders opposition is not up to par for a seasoned world champion
But that doesn't change the fact that you can't put together a multi million dollar fight like Wilder vs Klitschko
Or Wilder vs Joshuua in less than 8 weeks.
It's not possible

[IRLangmaid25]

If it comes off then I am looking forward it, and its pretty much the latest Eddie Hearn and Matchroom can do that fight in Cardiff as The Millennium Stadium will be unavailable for the whole of November, due to the Welsh Rugby team playing all four Saturdays for the Autumn International Series.