caldo2025 wrote:
GGG went into that fight with a clear disadvantage in terms of weight allowance in what is supposed to be a fair fight. It's a flaw in boxing right now that the IBF continues to put their champions in unsafe conditions by adhering to the day of weight limit requirements when the challengers to the title do not.
Jacobs and his team had two surprises for GGG and his team: 1 was the fact that they didn't want the IBF title and wanted to outweigh GGG by as much as possible. 2 was that Jacobs would fight southpaw and confuse GGG completely. Both surprises were hugely effective and Jacobs still lost the fight. So that just shows how good GGG is. But Jacobs almost pulled it off. Who knows what Conte gave him for supplements too.
To be perfectly honest with you, I am supremely confident that the issue of “weight” would have been discussed during the contract negotiations between the representatives of both Golovkin & Jacobs, since the IBF’s rules are very strict, coupled with the fact that the fight was only mandated by the WBA.
Team GGG, being on the proverbial A-side during the contract discussions, would not have made any concessions that they were uncomfortable with.
If it was deemed important by Abel Sanchez and Gennady Golovkin, that Daniel Jacobs adhere to the IBF’s strict weigh-in rules, then Tom Loeffler would have almost certainly included this demand amongst the other various contractual stipulations.
For someone that demands proof for anything they see on this site, you sure have NOTHING to bring to the table with the accusation above. How you could be supremely confident is ridiculous when you consider quotes from both boxers about the situation:
Golovkin, who successfully defended his WBA, WBC and IBO titles by beating Jacobs, never considered skipping the IBF’s second-day weigh-in. “It’s his problem,” Golovkin said. “I respect my sport. I respect boxing. This IBF [situation], it’s his problem, not mine. It doesn’t matter to me.” The 34-year-old Golovkin added, though, that he wasn’t angry at Jacobs for missing the second-day weigh-in. The 6-feet Jacobs acknowledged that he missed it because he wanted to make sure he had a significant size advantage of the 5-feet-10 Golovkin. “It wasn’t really me being disrespectful,” Jacobs said of skipping the second-day weigh-in. “It’s my prerogative to wanna get up at 6, 7 o’clock in the morning to do a weigh-in, and be restricted to 170 pounds. So it was mainly me just wanting to stay hydrated and not have to focus on the little things, even though I respect this boxing game. I respect all [sanctioning bodies] and their rulings. “But for me, I really wanted to focus on this fight. And we had a game plan. We wanted to make sure we used our size and we had the best possible nutrition that we can. And waking up early, for me, was just a hard thing to do. Not because we were overweight, but I didn’t wanna have an issue whatsoever.” - See more at: http://www.BS.com/jacobs-expla ... CTtaE.dpuf
GGG and his Team had no idea until after the first weight in that Jacobs was going to be so unprofessional. That is what it is, make no mistake about it. To a man, those that mean something in this sport, they have to same opinion about the boxers trying to get unfair advantages by blowing off the IBF weigh in. It's unprofessional.
The article that you quoted concurs with my belief that Jacobs' refusal to compete for the IBF title and also abide by their weigh-in rules didn't matter one iota to Gennady Golovkin.
The words you wrote are almost verbatim to the very same claims that I made.
Anyone that knows anything about the various governing bodies, such as the IBF, which you would expect from someone holding their world title, would almost certainly be aware of of their strict weigh-in rules.
Team GGG would have had some sort of expectation about Jacobs' actions if they refrained from implementing strict weight restrictions into the fight contract.
verlichte wrote:
To be perfectly honest with you, I am supremely confident that the issue of “weight” would have been discussed during the contract negotiations between the representatives of both Golovkin & Jacobs, since the IBF’s rules are very strict, coupled with the fact that the fight was only mandated by the WBA.
Team GGG, being on the proverbial A-side during the contract discussions, would not have made any concessions that they were uncomfortable with.
If it was deemed important by Abel Sanchez and Gennady Golovkin, that Daniel Jacobs adhere to the IBF’s strict weigh-in rules, then Tom Loeffler would have almost certainly included this demand amongst the other various contractual stipulations.
For someone that demands proof for anything they see on this site, you sure have NOTHING to bring to the table with the accusation above. How you could be supremely confident is ridiculous when you consider quotes from both boxers about the situation:
Golovkin, who successfully defended his WBA, WBC and IBO titles by beating Jacobs, never considered skipping the IBF’s second-day weigh-in. “It’s his problem,” Golovkin said. “I respect my sport. I respect boxing. This IBF [situation], it’s his problem, not mine. It doesn’t matter to me.” The 34-year-old Golovkin added, though, that he wasn’t angry at Jacobs for missing the second-day weigh-in. The 6-feet Jacobs acknowledged that he missed it because he wanted to make sure he had a significant size advantage of the 5-feet-10 Golovkin. “It wasn’t really me being disrespectful,” Jacobs said of skipping the second-day weigh-in. “It’s my prerogative to wanna get up at 6, 7 o’clock in the morning to do a weigh-in, and be restricted to 170 pounds. So it was mainly me just wanting to stay hydrated and not have to focus on the little things, even though I respect this boxing game. I respect all [sanctioning bodies] and their rulings. “But for me, I really wanted to focus on this fight. And we had a game plan. We wanted to make sure we used our size and we had the best possible nutrition that we can. And waking up early, for me, was just a hard thing to do. Not because we were overweight, but I didn’t wanna have an issue whatsoever.” - See more at: http://www.BS.com/jacobs-expla ... CTtaE.dpuf
GGG and his Team had no idea until after the first weight in that Jacobs was going to be so unprofessional. That is what it is, make no mistake about it. To a man, those that mean something in this sport, they have to same opinion about the boxers trying to get unfair advantages by blowing off the IBF weigh in. It's unprofessional.
The article that you quoted concurs with my belief that Jacobs' refusal to compete for the IBF title and also abide by their weigh-in rules didn't matter one iota to Gennady Golovkin.
The words you wrote are almost verbatim to the very same claims that I made.
Anyone that knows anything about the various governing bodies, such as the IBF, which you would expect from someone holding their world title, would almost certainly be aware of of their strict weigh-in rules.
Team GGG would have had some sort of expectation about Jacobs' actions if they refrained from implementing strict weight restrictions into the fight contract.
You are missing the point here. GGG and Sanchez assumed that this fight was for all of Jacobs belts right up until the 24 hours before the fight. Or course, they are going to say that they don't care and it wouldn't matter because Boxing is a hype game in which you can't let on to any advantages. You know that. So this was an oversight by GGG's team and they haven't cared about little details during this run because GGG rolls over everyone but this one almost cost them and they better start worrying about the little things as the competition gets stiffer and GGG's ability continues to decline like any human's do.
I have no problem with the current state of boxing where each boxer weighs in below a threshold the day before a fight and each can gain as much as they want. That's boxing. But when one guy has to make weight and the other doesn't, it creates a very unfair advantage and a dangerous one. I do believe that the IBF were paid their sanctioning fee for the fight, correct? So this fight was always going to be for each of GGG's titles up until Jacobs decided not to weigh in on the day of. That is the point. It as a ploy they had from day one and even paid some money to keep the guise going. If you don't see something amiss with that then we should just stop here.
caldo2025 wrote:
For someone that demands proof for anything they see on this site, you sure have NOTHING to bring to the table with the accusation above. How you could be supremely confident is ridiculous when you consider quotes from both boxers about the situation:
Golovkin, who successfully defended his WBA, WBC and IBO titles by beating Jacobs, never considered skipping the IBF’s second-day weigh-in. “It’s his problem,” Golovkin said. “I respect my sport. I respect boxing. This IBF [situation], it’s his problem, not mine. It doesn’t matter to me.” The 34-year-old Golovkin added, though, that he wasn’t angry at Jacobs for missing the second-day weigh-in. The 6-feet Jacobs acknowledged that he missed it because he wanted to make sure he had a significant size advantage of the 5-feet-10 Golovkin. “It wasn’t really me being disrespectful,” Jacobs said of skipping the second-day weigh-in. “It’s my prerogative to wanna get up at 6, 7 o’clock in the morning to do a weigh-in, and be restricted to 170 pounds. So it was mainly me just wanting to stay hydrated and not have to focus on the little things, even though I respect this boxing game. I respect all [sanctioning bodies] and their rulings. “But for me, I really wanted to focus on this fight. And we had a game plan. We wanted to make sure we used our size and we had the best possible nutrition that we can. And waking up early, for me, was just a hard thing to do. Not because we were overweight, but I didn’t wanna have an issue whatsoever.” - See more at: http://www.BS.com/jacobs-expla ... CTtaE.dpuf
GGG and his Team had no idea until after the first weight in that Jacobs was going to be so unprofessional. That is what it is, make no mistake about it. To a man, those that mean something in this sport, they have to same opinion about the boxers trying to get unfair advantages by blowing off the IBF weigh in. It's unprofessional.
The article that you quoted concurs with my belief that Jacobs' refusal to compete for the IBF title and also abide by their weigh-in rules didn't matter one iota to Gennady Golovkin.
The words you wrote are almost verbatim to the very same claims that I made.
Anyone that knows anything about the various governing bodies, such as the IBF, which you would expect from someone holding their world title, would almost certainly be aware of of their strict weigh-in rules.
Team GGG would have had some sort of expectation about Jacobs' actions if they refrained from implementing strict weight restrictions into the fight contract.
You are missing the point here. GGG and Sanchez assumed that this fight was for all of Jacobs belts right up until the 24 hours before the fight. Or course, they are going to say that they don't care and it wouldn't matter because Boxing is a hype game in which you can't let on to any advantages. You know that. So this was an oversight by GGG's team and they haven't cared about little details during this run because GGG rolls over everyone but this one almost cost them and they better start worrying about the little things as the competition gets stiffer and GGG's ability continues to decline like any human's do.
I have no problem with the current state of boxing where each boxer weighs in below a threshold the day before a fight and each can gain as much as they want. That's boxing. But when one guy has to make weight and the other doesn't, it creates a very unfair advantage and a dangerous one. I do believe that the IBF were paid their sanctioning fee for the fight, correct? So this fight was always going to be for each of GGG's titles up until Jacobs decided not to weigh in on the day of. In fact, if Jacobs had won then GGG would have lose the IBF title and it would become vacant if i'm not mistaken. That is the point. It as a ploy they had from day one and even paid some money to keep the guise going. If you don't see something amiss with that then we should just stop here.
caldo2025 wrote:
For someone that demands proof for anything they see on this site, you sure have NOTHING to bring to the table with the accusation above. How you could be supremely confident is ridiculous when you consider quotes from both boxers about the situation:
Golovkin, who successfully defended his WBA, WBC and IBO titles by beating Jacobs, never considered skipping the IBF’s second-day weigh-in. “It’s his problem,” Golovkin said. “I respect my sport. I respect boxing. This IBF [situation], it’s his problem, not mine. It doesn’t matter to me.” The 34-year-old Golovkin added, though, that he wasn’t angry at Jacobs for missing the second-day weigh-in. The 6-feet Jacobs acknowledged that he missed it because he wanted to make sure he had a significant size advantage of the 5-feet-10 Golovkin. “It wasn’t really me being disrespectful,” Jacobs said of skipping the second-day weigh-in. “It’s my prerogative to wanna get up at 6, 7 o’clock in the morning to do a weigh-in, and be restricted to 170 pounds. So it was mainly me just wanting to stay hydrated and not have to focus on the little things, even though I respect this boxing game. I respect all [sanctioning bodies] and their rulings. “But for me, I really wanted to focus on this fight. And we had a game plan. We wanted to make sure we used our size and we had the best possible nutrition that we can. And waking up early, for me, was just a hard thing to do. Not because we were overweight, but I didn’t wanna have an issue whatsoever.” - See more at: http://www.BS.com/jacobs-expla ... CTtaE.dpuf
GGG and his Team had no idea until after the first weight in that Jacobs was going to be so unprofessional. That is what it is, make no mistake about it. To a man, those that mean something in this sport, they have to same opinion about the boxers trying to get unfair advantages by blowing off the IBF weigh in. It's unprofessional.
The article that you quoted concurs with my belief that Jacobs' refusal to compete for the IBF title and also abide by their weigh-in rules didn't matter one iota to Gennady Golovkin.
The words you wrote are almost verbatim to the very same claims that I made.
Anyone that knows anything about the various governing bodies, such as the IBF, which you would expect from someone holding their world title, would almost certainly be aware of of their strict weigh-in rules.
Team GGG would have had some sort of expectation about Jacobs' actions if they refrained from implementing strict weight restrictions into the fight contract.
You are missing the point here. GGG and Sanchez assumed that this fight was for all of Jacobs belts right up until the 24 hours before the fight. Or course, they are going to say that they don't care and it wouldn't matter because Boxing is a hype game in which you can't let on to any advantages. You know that. So this was an oversight by GGG's team and they haven't cared about little details during this run because GGG rolls over everyone but this one almost cost them and they better start worrying about the little things as the competition gets stiffer and GGG's ability continues to decline like any human's do.
I have no problem with the current state of boxing where each boxer weighs in below a threshold the day before a fight and each can gain as much as they want. That's boxing. But when one guy has to make weight and the other doesn't, it creates a very unfair advantage and a dangerous one. I do believe that the IBF were paid their sanctioning fee for the fight, correct? So this fight was always going to be for each of GGG's titles up until Jacobs decided not to weigh in on the day of. That is the point. It as a ploy they had from day one and even paid some money to keep the guise going. If you don't see something amiss with that then we should just stop here.
So it seems we’ve hit an impasse.
I genuinely believe that Jacobs' refusal to compete for the IBF title and also abide by that organisations’ weigh-in rules didn't matter one iota to Team GGG, which is a stance verbally supported the likes of Gennady Golovkin and Abel Sanchez.
Whereas you are convinced that Team GGG made a mistake during the contract negotiations by wrongly assuming that Daniel Jacobs was willing to adhere to the IBF’s strict weigh-in rules, because they incorrectly believed that he wanted this title, which is simply your unsubstantiated opinion.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, because it is not beyond the realms of possibility that Team GGG fúckéd up, but I have always tended to believe the information conveyed by the evidence.
apollo creed wrote:
GGG weighed 169.6 lbs on fight night. Jacobs looked big, around 10-15 lbs over GGG's ring weight I guess.
LLL was 169.6lbs @ the IBF Morning weigh in, he was clearly much more come fight night and was obviously struggling to even make the morning weigh in limit.
That was his only disadvantage having to stay dehydrated for a longer period of time and not getting the extra recovery time, come fight night they would have both been 180lbs
apollo creed wrote:“I predict Danny will be between 178-180 when he steps into the ring. He was at 176 at 8 a.m.this morning. Don’t be surprised if Danny does very well this evening. He had a tremendous training camp on the west coast. He spent the last four weeks of his training camp at my SNAC training facility in San Carlos, California. He is in the best shape of his life. He will be huge tonight when he steps into the ring! Danny will be big, fast and powerful. We will soon see how this all plays out.” said Victor Conte
I have a strong feeling that Jacobs was around 185-190 lbs on fight night if he was 176 lbs at 8 a.m. Not to mention that being able to take GGG's best punches, it must have to do something with Conte.
You can't just re-hydrate to unlimited levels, you can re-hydrate as much in 24 hours as you can in 36 hours
The only difference being 36 hours gives your body more time to recover and actually feel the benefits of the extra fluids.
FFS do you think if he had a week he might have re-hydrated to 250lbs and looked like Anthony Joshua?
