Billy Joe Saunders – “Most avoided middleweight on the planet?”

[verlichte]

As for the rematch not being made I blame eubank for that

Correct!

"Fwank Warren Gives Eubank Jr. Big Offer For Saunders Rematch"

Fwank Warren has claimed to have offered Chris Eubank Jr. upwards of £1million to take the rematch with Billy Joe Saunders.

The Hertfordshire-based promoter, who runs Queensberry Promotions and recently teamed up with BT Sport alongside broadcaster allegedly, revealed the news on social media.

After seeing the exchange of words between Eubank Jr. and Saunders (23-0, 12 KOs), Fwank Warren –– or a member of his office –– took to Twitter to disclose that an offer had been made to Eubank Jr. for the rematch with Saunders, a fight which he is said to have turned down numerous times in the past two years.

“We recently submitted a seven-figure offer to you to challenge for Billy Joe Saunders’ WBO world title on BT Sport next year,” the first tweet read.

“The recent offer was made both to your manager and your personal email, so no one can say you haven't been made aware.

“As yet no one's given an answer to our offer. If you want the fight, kindly get someone from your team to pick up a phone [or] pen.”

Note: For the record, Fwank Warren used to promote Chris Eubank Jr., so we know for certain that members of Team Eubank Jr. would have received his offer.

[tonymaccaroni]

He's not elite. Barely beat Eubank Jr when he still had his training wheels on. Plus, he's unfocused and blows up between fights.

I think Bill beats Jnr 100 times out of 100 simply put

You make bets with your heart not your head. 100 out of 100 is way off. The first fight was really close, it's reasonable to think with adjustments and experience eubank could take the rematch. So being objective about the situation, you're exaggerating for your guy.

Neither have made a big movement in the 160 division since the first fight, Saunders has magaged to capture wbo and eubank not done a lot.

The worry for Saunders is that despite having the better boxing basics than eubank, eubank is more disciplined to improve himself physically. Saunders has stagnated in that regard due to sloppiness between fights, when he does fight.

As for the rematch not being made I blame eubank for that

I dont know dude. You never really know what is actually going on behind the scenes. I cannot see why Eubank Jr would turn down a big offer to fight BJS seeing as he isn't getting any opportunities else where.

Eubank has kind of been snubbed by everyone after choosing to go it alone. I feel this has more to do with him not achieving anything, he has definitely looked a lot more ferocious in fights since the BJS fight so not sure if I agree totally there. BJS has fought three since then whilst Eubank has fought 6 times knocking out every opponent. I thought BJS was poor against Akavov and could have easily lost on a non Fwank promotion.

It was widely reported almost everywhere that they offered a 80-20 split initially.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/08/sau ... k-rematch/

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... jr-rematch

I mean this is pretty much taking the piss. allegedly then CLAIMS to have offered 7 figure fee later on, but I cannot find any info on that which is correlated by Eubank or any source other then allegedly. If there are neutral and objective evidences that show this then please enlighten me.

Thats just what allegedly is saying, there is no proof of this. He is hardly a paragon of virtue and some of the dodgiest decisions and results I have ever witnessed have been on his promotions, so I don't believe he plays fair as he would have us believe.

Theres a saying that if someone calls you a c unt, then they are the c unt. But if everyone calls you a c unt, then likely you are the c unt.

All I know is BJS has had these problems with fights for the last few years. It is not just one person saying he is messing them around or not wanting to fight. There are many. Rosado, Jacobs, Khurtsidze initially, Akavov initially, Bursak, GGG, Eubank and Canelo. All fights which could have been made but for whatever excuse or reason don't. I am not even saying it is his fault, I am just saying ok once or twice but when it is every fight these issues occur and Fwank comes out with some story or theres an injury or excuse, you have to start to question beyond the party line.

Or at least I think you do.

[verlichte]

I think Bill beats Jnr 100 times out of 100 simply put

You make bets with your heart not your head. 100 out of 100 is way off. The first fight was really close, it's reasonable to think with adjustments and experience eubank could take the rematch. So being objective about the situation, you're exaggerating for your guy.

Neither have made a big movement in the 160 division since the first fight, Saunders has magaged to capture wbo and eubank not done a lot.

The worry for Saunders is that despite having the better boxing basics than eubank, eubank is more disciplined to improve himself physically. Saunders has stagnated in that regard due to sloppiness between fights, when he does fight.

As for the rematch not being made I blame eubank for that

I dont know dude. You never really know what is actually going on behind the scenes. I cannot see why Eubank Jr would turn down a big offer to fight BJS seeing as he isn't getting any opportunities else where.

Eubank has kind of been snubbed by everyone after choosing to go it alone. I feel this has more to do with him not achieving anything, he has definitely looked a lot more ferocious in fights since the BJS fight so not sure if I agree totally there. BJS has fought three since then whilst Eubank has fought 6 times knocking out every opponent. I thought BJS was poor against Akavov and could have easily lost on a non Fwank promotion.

It was widely reported almost everywhere that they offered a 80-20 split initially.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/08/sau ... k-rematch/

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... jr-rematch

I mean this is pretty much taking the piss. allegedly then CLAIMS to have offered 7 figure fee later on, but I cannot find any info on that which is correlated by Eubank or any source other then allegedly. If there are neutral and objective evidences that show this then please enlighten me.

Thats just what allegedly is saying, there is no proof of this. He is hardly a paragon of virtue and some of the dodgiest decisions and results I have ever witnessed have been on his promotions, so I don't believe he plays fair as he would have us believe.

Google it you lazy bástárd! There are so many sources quoting Fwank Warrens seven-figure offer – even you'd be shocked about the sheer volume!

And now that the truth doesn’t adhere to your preferred narrative, you demand that others provide documentary evidence of both sides of the story, because you refuse to believe the information conveyed by literally dozens of different sources.

The last time I did this for you, you actually had the sheer audacity to boast about ignoring my proof!

[tonymaccaroni]

You make bets with your heart not your head. 100 out of 100 is way off. The first fight was really close, it's reasonable to think with adjustments and experience eubank could take the rematch. So being objective about the situation, you're exaggerating for your guy.

Neither have made a big movement in the 160 division since the first fight, Saunders has magaged to capture wbo and eubank not done a lot.

The worry for Saunders is that despite having the better boxing basics than eubank, eubank is more disciplined to improve himself physically. Saunders has stagnated in that regard due to sloppiness between fights, when he does fight.

As for the rematch not being made I blame eubank for that

I dont know dude. You never really know what is actually going on behind the scenes. I cannot see why Eubank Jr would turn down a big offer to fight BJS seeing as he isn't getting any opportunities else where.

Eubank has kind of been snubbed by everyone after choosing to go it alone. I feel this has more to do with him not achieving anything, he has definitely looked a lot more ferocious in fights since the BJS fight so not sure if I agree totally there. BJS has fought three since then whilst Eubank has fought 6 times knocking out every opponent. I thought BJS was poor against Akavov and could have easily lost on a non Fwank promotion.

It was widely reported almost everywhere that they offered a 80-20 split initially.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/08/sau ... k-rematch/

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... jr-rematch

I mean this is pretty much taking the piss. allegedly then CLAIMS to have offered 7 figure fee later on, but I cannot find any info on that which is correlated by Eubank or any source other then allegedly. If there are neutral and objective evidences that show this then please enlighten me.

Thats just what allegedly is saying, there is no proof of this. He is hardly a paragon of virtue and some of the dodgiest decisions and results I have ever witnessed have been on his promotions, so I don't believe he plays fair as he would have us believe.

Google it you lazy bástárd! There are so many sources quoting Fwank Warrens seven-figure offer – even you'd be shocked about the sheer volume!

And now that the truth doesn’t adhere to your preferred narrative, you demand that others provide documentary evidence of both sides of the story, because you refuse to believe the information conveyed by literally dozens of different sources.

The last time I did this for you, you actually had the sheer audacity to boast about ignoring my proof!

Yawn.... Every single one says allegedly or claimed.

All you ever talk about is facts surrounding contract negotiations. Was having a good discussion up until this point, but your tunnel vision on Fwank and his contract negotiations just have to put a dampner on everything. Can you just not talk to me, I wasn't even talking to you? Your boring and offer nothing but allegedly press statements.

If I wanted to know your opinion on anything all I have to do is google the issue being discussed and put fwank warren at the end and then we will know what you think anyway.

[tonymaccaroni]

Combined IQ of 85.

But if you add EO, it will jump to a 100.

Is Verlitche the Enlightened One? I've only recently started posting here again but been around since the beginning. I've heard rumours about his posts - it all makes sense now.

Please... what are these rumors and posts... Enlighten me

[boxing_rocks]

But if you add EO, it will jump to a 100.

Is Verlitche the Enlightened One? I've only recently started posting here again but been around since the beginning. I've heard rumours about his posts - it all makes sense now.

Please... what are these rumors and posts... Enlighten me

Looking at length of your posts, you could just be another identity of EO

[Ossyrules]

I think Bill beats Jnr 100 times out of 100 simply put

You make bets with your heart not your head. 100 out of 100 is way off. The first fight was really close, it's reasonable to think with adjustments and experience eubank could take the rematch. So being objective about the situation, you're exaggerating for your guy.

Neither have made a big movement in the 160 division since the first fight, Saunders has magaged to capture wbo and eubank not done a lot.

The worry for Saunders is that despite having the better boxing basics than eubank, eubank is more disciplined to improve himself physically. Saunders has stagnated in that regard due to sloppiness between fights, when he does fight.

As for the rematch not being made I blame eubank for that

I dont know dude. You never really know what is actually going on behind the scenes. I cannot see why Eubank Jr would turn down a big offer to fight BJS seeing as he isn't getting any opportunities else where.

Eubank has kind of been snubbed by everyone after choosing to go it alone. I feel this has more to do with him not achieving anything, he has definitely looked a lot more ferocious in fights since the BJS fight so not sure if I agree totally there. BJS has fought three since then whilst Eubank has fought 6 times knocking out every opponent. I thought BJS was poor against Akavov and could have easily lost on a non Fwank promotion.

It was widely reported almost everywhere that they offered a 80-20 split initially.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/08/sau ... k-rematch/

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... jr-rematch

I mean this is pretty much taking the piss. allegedly then CLAIMS to have offered 7 figure fee later on, but I cannot find any info on that which is correlated by Eubank or any source other then allegedly. If there are neutral and objective evidences that show this then please enlighten me.

Thats just what allegedly is saying, there is no proof of this. He is hardly a paragon of virtue and some of the dodgiest decisions and results I have ever witnessed have been on his promotions, so I don't believe he plays fair as he would have us believe.

Theres a saying that if someone calls you a c unt, then they are the c unt. But if everyone calls you a c unt, then likely you are the c unt.

All I know is BJS has had these problems with fights for the last few years. It is not just one person saying he is messing them around or not wanting to fight. There are many. Rosado, Jacobs, Khurtsidze initially, Akavov initially, Bursak, GGG, Eubank and Canelo. All fights which could have been made but for whatever excuse or reason don't. I am not even saying it is his fault, I am just saying ok once or twice but when it is every fight these issues occur and Fwank comes out with some story or theres an injury or excuse, you have to start to question beyond the party line.

Or at least I think you do.

If you honestly think that, you're allowing yourself to be swayed by being eubank fan.

Watch the ifl video interview with allegedly. The famous dome a favour I've got the e mails rant. Eubank has been offered the fight but basically wanted more money

I like the Eubanks but I can't defend them when it comes to the business side of boxing. They're screwing the whole thing up and it all comes down to ego

[man]

ah ... no. he ain't.

[tonymaccaroni]

You make bets with your heart not your head. 100 out of 100 is way off. The first fight was really close, it's reasonable to think with adjustments and experience eubank could take the rematch. So being objective about the situation, you're exaggerating for your guy.

Neither have made a big movement in the 160 division since the first fight, Saunders has magaged to capture wbo and eubank not done a lot.

The worry for Saunders is that despite having the better boxing basics than eubank, eubank is more disciplined to improve himself physically. Saunders has stagnated in that regard due to sloppiness between fights, when he does fight.

As for the rematch not being made I blame eubank for that

I dont know dude. You never really know what is actually going on behind the scenes. I cannot see why Eubank Jr would turn down a big offer to fight BJS seeing as he isn't getting any opportunities else where.

Eubank has kind of been snubbed by everyone after choosing to go it alone. I feel this has more to do with him not achieving anything, he has definitely looked a lot more ferocious in fights since the BJS fight so not sure if I agree totally there. BJS has fought three since then whilst Eubank has fought 6 times knocking out every opponent. I thought BJS was poor against Akavov and could have easily lost on a non Fwank promotion.

It was widely reported almost everywhere that they offered a 80-20 split initially.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/08/sau ... k-rematch/

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... jr-rematch

I mean this is pretty much taking the piss. allegedly then CLAIMS to have offered 7 figure fee later on, but I cannot find any info on that which is correlated by Eubank or any source other then allegedly. If there are neutral and objective evidences that show this then please enlighten me.

Thats just what allegedly is saying, there is no proof of this. He is hardly a paragon of virtue and some of the dodgiest decisions and results I have ever witnessed have been on his promotions, so I don't believe he plays fair as he would have us believe.

Theres a saying that if someone calls you a c unt, then they are the c unt. But if everyone calls you a c unt, then likely you are the c unt.

All I know is BJS has had these problems with fights for the last few years. It is not just one person saying he is messing them around or not wanting to fight. There are many. Rosado, Jacobs, Khurtsidze initially, Akavov initially, Bursak, GGG, Eubank and Canelo. All fights which could have been made but for whatever excuse or reason don't. I am not even saying it is his fault, I am just saying ok once or twice but when it is every fight these issues occur and Fwank comes out with some story or theres an injury or excuse, you have to start to question beyond the party line.

Or at least I think you do.

If you honestly think that, you're allowing yourself to be swayed by being eubank fan.

Watch the ifl video interview with allegedly. The famous dome a favour I've got the e mails rant. Eubank has been offered the fight but basically wanted more money

I like the Eubanks but I can't defend them when it comes to the business side of boxing. They're screwing the whole thing up and it all comes down to ego

Yeah maybe I think your right. I just like his fighting style and think with better management he could be a star.

[tonymaccaroni]

Is Verlitche the Enlightened One? I've only recently started posting here again but been around since the beginning. I've heard rumours about his posts - it all makes sense now.

Please... what are these rumors and posts... Enlighten me

Looking at length of your posts, you could just be another identity of EO

Well that would be strange wouldn't it having an argument with myself.

Should have known discussing things in depth in a boxing forum would be looked down on my bad. I will try one line input from now on.