Howard "Stop the fight" Foster chosen to referee the BrookvsSpence fight

[fightseer]

This fight could have been fight of the year. Now we hear today that Howard Foster is going to Referee the fight. He is known for screwing the challenger in a fight by early stoppage. Foster has done it numerous times now and still gets assigned championship fights. The Spence camp should file a complaint.

[verlichte]

When you claim that Howard Foster “is known for screwing the challenger in a fight by early stoppage” and has done so “numerous times now and still gets assigned championship fights”, are you able to list them?

When you use the word “numerous”, I am expecting you to be able to actually provide a list that contains more than one fight?

[Ruthless-RKO]

When you claim that Howard Foster “is known for screwing the challenger in a fight by early stoppage” and has done so “numerous times now and still gets assigned championship fights”, are you able to list them?

When you use the word “numerous”, I am expecting you to be able to actually provide a list that contains more than one fight?

He actually has over the last year too.. im at work right now, but i'll gather a list, even a small list.. nd I will even get you links to the fight.

[verlichte]

When you claim that Howard Foster “is known for screwing the challenger in a fight by early stoppage” and has done so “numerous times now and still gets assigned championship fights”, are you able to list them?

When you use the word “numerous”, I am expecting you to be able to actually provide a list that contains more than one fight?

He actually has over the last year too.. im at work right now, but i'll gather a list, even a small list.. nd I will even get you links to the fight.

That would be appreciated, but I personally prefer people, like the OP, to be able to support their own embellished claims.

And for the record, Howard Foster shouldn't be criticised for stopping George Groves during his first fight against Carl Froch. Not because the challenger was stereotypically “out on his feet”, but due to the fact that he was fatigued, wasn't returning fire and had stopped “protecting himself at all times” (the champ landed almost twenty unanswered shots - granted, many of them glancing blows, but regardless, they weren't being blocked), so the stoppage was entirely the challengers own fault, since he placed the referee in a difficult situation.

For sure, the bout “could” have continued, since we’ve all seen fighters’ in worse states, but I feel that Groves would have been just as likely to have been rendered unconscious than to have survived taking another 90 seconds' worth of punches to the chin in order to make it to the end of the round.

Groves’ inability to “protect himself at all times” placed the referee in a difficult “one punch too soon or one punch too late” type of situation. Foster was “damned if he did, damned if he didn't.”

[Ossyrules]

I agree with your sentiment here, that the claim is no doubt exaggerated

However the groves stoppage was a poor one in my eyes. He was having a bad round but should have been given the benefit to survive and come back

[caldo2025]

When you claim that Howard Foster “is known for screwing the challenger in a fight by early stoppage” and has done so “numerous times now and still gets assigned championship fights”, are you able to list them?

When you use the word “numerous”, I am expecting you to be able to actually provide a list that contains more than one fight?

He actually has over the last year too.. im at work right now, but i'll gather a list, even a small list.. nd I will even get you links to the fight.

That would be appreciated, but I personally prefer people, like the OP, to be able to support their own embellished claims.

And for the record, Howard Foster shouldn't be criticised for stopping George Groves during his first fight against Carl Froch. Not because the challenger was stereotypically “out on his feet”, but due to the fact that he was fatigued, wasn't returning fire and had stopped “protecting himself at all times” (the champ landed almost twenty unanswered shots - granted, many of them glancing blows, but regardless, they weren't being blocked), so the stoppage was entirely the challengers own fault, since he placed the referee in a difficult situation.

For sure, the bout “could” have continued, since we’ve all seen fighters’ in worse states, but I feel that Groves would have been just as likely to have been rendered unconscious than to have survived taking another 90 seconds' worth of punches to the chin in order to make it to the end of the round.

Groves’ inability to “protect himself at all times” placed the referee in a difficult “one punch too soon or one punch too late” type of situation. Foster was “damned if he did, damned if he didn't.”

You're nuts. It was a bad stoppage either way you look at that fight. Proof positive is the fact that it was so bad that they had to fight a rematch because of it. When they have a rematch because of a horrible call from the ref then you must concede that it was a horrible call from the ref. Your assertion is ridiculous and proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[littlepug]

think poeple are confusing a bad stoppage with LOOKING LIKE a bad stoppage, we only have the veiw that the tv camera angle gives us, the ref is right there with the fighters and can see all sorts that we possibly cant, take the josh leather fight for example, everyone was calling it an early stoppage because they couldnt see what howard foster could, but foster was in there like a shot to stop it because HE did see something, its a tough job being a ref and mistakes happen but i for one think howard foster is one of the better refs to come out of this country

[verlichte]

He actually has over the last year too.. im at work right now, but i'll gather a list, even a small list.. nd I will even get you links to the fight.

That would be appreciated, but I personally prefer people, like the OP, to be able to support their own embellished claims.

And for the record, Howard Foster shouldn't be criticised for stopping George Groves during his first fight against Carl Froch. Not because the challenger was stereotypically “out on his feet”, but due to the fact that he was fatigued, wasn't returning fire and had stopped “protecting himself at all times” (the champ landed almost twenty unanswered shots - granted, many of them glancing blows, but regardless, they weren't being blocked), so the stoppage was entirely the challengers own fault, since he placed the referee in a difficult situation.

For sure, the bout “could” have continued, since we’ve all seen fighters’ in worse states, but I feel that Groves would have been just as likely to have been rendered unconscious than to have survived taking another 90 seconds' worth of punches to the chin in order to make it to the end of the round.

Groves’ inability to “protect himself at all times” placed the referee in a difficult “one punch too soon or one punch too late” type of situation. Foster was “damned if he did, damned if he didn't.”

You're nuts. It was a bad stoppage either way you look at that fight. Proof positive is the fact that it was so bad that they had to fight a rematch because of it. When they have a rematch because of a horrible call from the ref then you must concede that it was a horrible call from the ref. Your assertion is ridiculous and proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.

No, I’m not nuts. I simply have a different opinion to you.

The reason why Groves and Froch had a rematch, is because it was an action-packed highly-exciting fight, where there was a certain amount of controversy surrounding the nature of the stoppage, with opinions being divided about whether Foster did or didn't do the right thing.

Similarly, Klitschko & Joshua are highly-likely to engage in a rematch due to pretty much the same reasons.

Unlike you, I don’t regard those possessing opposing views as being completely "nuts" and "ridiculous", because that’s a fúckíng ignorant stance to take.

Read my fúckíng words again and comprehend what I actually wrote! I didn’t strongly endorse Foster’s actions, but I couldn't condemn them either.

If you can’t comprehend that simple piece of information, then you’re an ignorant twát that should stop using this fúckíng forum!

[danconnollyeire]

When you claim that Howard Foster “is known for screwing the challenger in a fight by early stoppage” and has done so “numerous times now and still gets assigned championship fights”, are you able to list them?

When you use the word “numerous”, I am expecting you to be able to actually provide a list that contains more than one fight?

He actually has over the last year too.. im at work right now, but i'll gather a list, even a small list.. nd I will even get you links to the fight.

That would be appreciated, but I personally prefer people, like the OP, to be able to support their own embellished claims.

And for the record, Howard Foster shouldn't be criticised for stopping George Groves during his first fight against Carl Froch. Not because the challenger was stereotypically “out on his feet”, but due to the fact that he was fatigued, wasn't returning fire and had stopped “protecting himself at all times” (the champ landed almost twenty unanswered shots - granted, many of them glancing blows, but regardless, they weren't being blocked), so the stoppage was entirely the challengers own fault, since he placed the referee in a difficult situation.

For sure, the bout “could” have continued, since we’ve all seen fighters’ in worse states, but I feel that Groves would have been just as likely to have been rendered unconscious than to have survived taking another 90 seconds' worth of punches to the chin in order to make it to the end of the round.

Groves’ inability to “protect himself at all times” placed the referee in a difficult “one punch too soon or one punch too late” type of situation. Foster was “damned if he did, damned if he didn't.”

Although I agree the point re Howard is exaggerated, so is yours. I rewatched the Groves fight and there wasn't twenty unanswered shots. Groves threw a right hand 5 secs before the stoppage. Plus Groves doesn't tend to bloke. He was still moving his head

[danconnollyeire]

Literally just watched it again, ref breaks them. Froch throws some shots, Groves duck them all. Throws a right against the ropes, blocked. Throws and lands a decent right hand. Groves throws 4 shots. Froch hits Groves back of the head. Ref stops it

You can't accuse someone of exaggerating when you're doing literally the same

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xvFXxe-c14

[littlepug]

Literally just watched it again, ref breaks them. Froch throws some shots, Groves duck them all. Throws a right against the ropes, blocked. Throws and lands a decent right hand. Groves throws 4 shots. Froch hits Groves back of the head. Ref stops it

You can't accuse someone of exaggerating when you're doing literally the same

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xvFXxe-c14

with all due respect mate theres a World of difference between watching it on telly and being literally right in there close enough to hear them breathe or see their eyes roll, like i said a world of difference

[samdance]

with all due respect mate theres a World of difference between watching it on telly and being literally right in there close enough to hear them breathe or see their eyes roll, like i said a world of difference[/quote]

I always read this and have to disagree, when being at a fight there is so much noise and limited views.

I would find it almost impossible to argue that the stoppage wasn't premature.

[verlichte]

He actually has over the last year too.. im at work right now, but i'll gather a list, even a small list.. nd I will even get you links to the fight.

That would be appreciated, but I personally prefer people, like the OP, to be able to support their own embellished claims.

And for the record, Howard Foster shouldn't be criticised for stopping George Groves during his first fight against Carl Froch. Not because the challenger was stereotypically “out on his feet”, but due to the fact that he was fatigued, wasn't returning fire and had stopped “protecting himself at all times” (the champ landed almost twenty unanswered shots - granted, many of them glancing blows, but regardless, they weren't being blocked), so the stoppage was entirely the challengers own fault, since he placed the referee in a difficult situation.

For sure, the bout “could” have continued, since we’ve all seen fighters’ in worse states, but I feel that Groves would have been just as likely to have been rendered unconscious than to have survived taking another 90 seconds' worth of punches to the chin in order to make it to the end of the round.

Groves’ inability to “protect himself at all times” placed the referee in a difficult “one punch too soon or one punch too late” type of situation. Foster was “damned if he did, damned if he didn't.”

Although I agree the point re Howard is exaggerated, so is yours. I rewatched the Groves fight and there wasn't twenty unanswered shots. Groves threw a right hand 5 secs before the stoppage. Plus Groves doesn't tend to bloke. He was still moving his head

Groves did throw a right hand whilst on the receiving end of a barrage of shots from Carl Froch, but George wasn’t even looking at his stationary opponent when he threw it, which is the reason why it missed the target by the proverbial “country mile”.

In regards to Froch landing a barrage of shots on Groves, I’ll concede that the actual amount of punches that landed is open to interpretation, but if you count the volume of cleanly-landed and glancing blows from the 1m:59s mark, the figure is at least fourteen and I felt that Froch was landing the vast majority of punches that he threw.

I stand by my other comments in relation to this matter.

[danconnollyeire]

That would be appreciated, but I personally prefer people, like the OP, to be able to support their own embellished claims.

And for the record, Howard Foster shouldn't be criticised for stopping George Groves during his first fight against Carl Froch. Not because the challenger was stereotypically “out on his feet”, but due to the fact that he was fatigued, wasn't returning fire and had stopped “protecting himself at all times” (the champ landed almost twenty unanswered shots - granted, many of them glancing blows, but regardless, they weren't being blocked), so the stoppage was entirely the challengers own fault, since he placed the referee in a difficult situation.

For sure, the bout “could” have continued, since we’ve all seen fighters’ in worse states, but I feel that Groves would have been just as likely to have been rendered unconscious than to have survived taking another 90 seconds' worth of punches to the chin in order to make it to the end of the round.

Groves’ inability to “protect himself at all times” placed the referee in a difficult “one punch too soon or one punch too late” type of situation. Foster was “damned if he did, damned if he didn't.”

Although I agree the point re Howard is exaggerated, so is yours. I rewatched the Groves fight and there wasn't twenty unanswered shots. Groves threw a right hand 5 secs before the stoppage. Plus Groves doesn't tend to bloke. He was still moving his head

Groves did throw a right hand whilst on the receiving end of a barrage of shots from Carl Froch, but George wasn’t even looking at his stationary opponent when he threw it, which is the reason why it missed the target by the proverbial “country mile”.

In regards to Froch landing a barrage of shots on Groves, I’ll concede that the actual amount of punches that landed is open to interpretation, but if you count the volume of cleanly-landed and glancing blows from the 1m:59s mark, the figure is at least fourteen and I felt that Froch was landing the vast majority of punches that he threw.

I stand by my other comments in relation to this matter.

He literally landed one without response. One landed. It's fact, you can't dispute facts, especially when there's clear footage. Fake news or what

[verlichte]

Although I agree the point re Howard is exaggerated, so is yours. I rewatched the Groves fight and there wasn't twenty unanswered shots. Groves threw a right hand 5 secs before the stoppage. Plus Groves doesn't tend to bloke. He was still moving his head

Groves did throw a right hand whilst on the receiving end of a barrage of shots from Carl Froch, but George wasn’t even looking at his stationary opponent when he threw it, which is the reason why it missed the target by the proverbial “country mile”.

In regards to Froch landing a barrage of shots on Groves, I’ll concede that the actual amount of punches that landed is open to interpretation, but if you count the volume of cleanly-landed and glancing blows from the 1m:59s mark, the figure is at least fourteen and I felt that Froch was landing the vast majority of punches that he threw.

I stand by my other comments in relation to this matter.

He literally landed one without response. One landed. It's fact, you can't dispute facts, especially when there's clear footage. Fake news or what

The slow-motion replays betray this opinion.

[caldo2025]

That would be appreciated, but I personally prefer people, like the OP, to be able to support their own embellished claims.

And for the record, Howard Foster shouldn't be criticised for stopping George Groves during his first fight against Carl Froch. Not because the challenger was stereotypically “out on his feet”, but due to the fact that he was fatigued, wasn't returning fire and had stopped “protecting himself at all times” (the champ landed almost twenty unanswered shots - granted, many of them glancing blows, but regardless, they weren't being blocked), so the stoppage was entirely the challengers own fault, since he placed the referee in a difficult situation.

For sure, the bout “could” have continued, since we’ve all seen fighters’ in worse states, but I feel that Groves would have been just as likely to have been rendered unconscious than to have survived taking another 90 seconds' worth of punches to the chin in order to make it to the end of the round.

Groves’ inability to “protect himself at all times” placed the referee in a difficult “one punch too soon or one punch too late” type of situation. Foster was “damned if he did, damned if he didn't.”

You're nuts. It was a bad stoppage either way you look at that fight. Proof positive is the fact that it was so bad that they had to fight a rematch because of it. When they have a rematch because of a horrible call from the ref then you must concede that it was a horrible call from the ref. Your assertion is ridiculous and proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.

No, I’m not nuts. I simply have a different opinion to you.

The reason why Groves and Froch had a rematch, is because it was an action-packed highly-exciting fight, where there was a certain amount of controversy surrounding the nature of the stoppage, with opinions being divided about whether Foster did or didn't do the right thing.

Similarly, Klitschko & Joshua are highly-likely to engage in a rematch due to pretty much the same reasons.

Unlike you, I don’t regard those possessing opposing views as being completely "nuts" and "ridiculous", because that’s a fúckíng ignorant stance to take.

Read my fúckíng words again and comprehend what I actually wrote! I didn’t strongly endorse Foster’s actions, but I couldn't condemn them either.

If you can’t comprehend that simple piece of information, then you’re an ignorant twát that should stop using this fúckíng forum!

What's the matter little girl, someone call your low boxing intellect into question so you have to resort to a little pissy fit and name calling. See, this is why most of the people in this forum just find you ridiculous. But every forum needs a few of "your kind" otherwise it would just be intelligent people speaking with intelligent people and that's not as much fun. You could change your name a million times but you can't change stupid.

[tonymaccaroni]

After 'discussing' with Verlichte myself I actually feel sad as a lot of what he says is reasonable or at worst from a perspective of UK promoter bias. The sad part is that when you offer an alternative opinion that contradicts his stance, he doesn't grasp that events and 'facts' are sometimes subjective or open to questioning. You see something one way, I see it another.. it makes for good discussion and if you are open you may end up learning something new or understanding something from a different perspective.

Unfortunately Verlichte's superiority complex means he takes these counter points as insults to his superior boxing knowledge and rather then discussing and explaining his opinion he starts insulting and undermining, then blames you for doing that very thing in return to him.

Shame really as would make for some good discussion if not for the clear mental issues/narcissism.

Imo Foster is pretty dodgy. The first fight was never a stoppage and it looked like they stopped the fight the first time Froch landed a punch which was unfair as he has been floored and smashed up for the entire evening up until that point. Groves got hit yes but was still defending himself and throwing punches back. In a mega fight between two top fighters. Would never have been stopped anywhere else in the world.

Foster has been involved in plenty of dodgy calls. Listing them would require research as I cannot remember a call as bad as the one being discussed that springs to mind, maybe as this fight was such a big one in comparison to the smaller fights he has ref'd which have appeared dodgy. But having watched pretty much the entire UK scene for the last 10-12 years he is a name I grimace at when I see he is ref.

Sad to say the rematch cleared the matter up entirely and I am a big Groves fan and watched him since his debut on Sky.

[verlichte]

You're nuts. It was a bad stoppage either way you look at that fight. Proof positive is the fact that it was so bad that they had to fight a rematch because of it. When they have a rematch because of a horrible call from the ref then you must concede that it was a horrible call from the ref. Your assertion is ridiculous and proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.

No, I’m not nuts. I simply have a different opinion to you.

The reason why Groves and Froch had a rematch, is because it was an action-packed highly-exciting fight, where there was a certain amount of controversy surrounding the nature of the stoppage, with opinions being divided about whether Foster did or didn't do the right thing.

Similarly, Klitschko & Joshua are highly-likely to engage in a rematch due to pretty much the same reasons.

Unlike you, I don’t regard those possessing opposing views as being completely "nuts" and "ridiculous", because that’s a fúckíng ignorant stance to take.

Read my fúckíng words again and comprehend what I actually wrote! I didn’t strongly endorse Foster’s actions, but I couldn't condemn them either.

If you can’t comprehend that simple piece of information, then you’re an ignorant twát that should stop using this fúckíng forum!

What's the matter little girl, someone call your low boxing intellect into question so you have to resort to a little pissy fit and name calling. See, this is why most of the people in this forum just find you ridiculous. But every forum needs a few of "your kind" otherwise it would just be intelligent people speaking with intelligent people and that's not as much fun. You could change your name a million times but you can't change stupid.

So you can dish it out but you can't take it?

You've attempted to insult me many more times than I've chosen to return fire, but now you're deeply offended by the nature of my most response to your latest criticism.

The Golden Rule: Treat others how you want to be treated!

[verlichte]

After 'discussing' with Verlichte myself I actually feel sad as a lot of what he says is reasonable or at worst from a perspective of UK promoter bias. The sad part is that when you offer an alternative opinion that contradicts his stance, he doesn't grasp that events and 'facts' are sometimes subjective or open to questioning. You see something one way, I see it another.. it makes for good discussion and if you are open you may end up learning something new or understanding something from a different perspective.

Unfortunately Verlichte's superiority complex means he takes these counter points as insults to his superior boxing knowledge and rather then discussing and explaining his opinion he starts insulting and undermining, then blames you for doing that very thing in return to him.

Shame really as would make for some good discussion if not for the clear mental issues/narcissism.

Imo Foster is pretty dodgy. The first fight was never a stoppage and it looked like they stopped the fight the first time Froch landed a punch which was unfair as he has been floored and smashed up for the entire evening up until that point. Groves got hit yes but was still defending himself and throwing punches back. In a mega fight between two top fighters. Would never have been stopped anywhere else in the world.

Foster has been involved in plenty of dodgy calls. Listing them would require research as I cannot remember a call as bad as the one being discussed that springs to mind, maybe as this fight was such a big one in comparison to the smaller fights he has ref'd which have appeared dodgy. But having watched pretty much the entire UK scene for the last 10-12 years he is a name I grimace at when I see he is ref.

Sad to say the rematch cleared the matter up entirely and I am a big Groves fan and watched him since his debut on Sky.

Please follow the chain of messages that we've exchanged on this forum, because you'll find that you tried to insult me on multiple occasions prior to me deciding to adopt a more aggressive tone towards your posts.

You do have some good thoughts about the sport, but you resort to insults when someone provides evidence that contradicts your opinion, which is something that I cannot be held responsible for.

[Mexi-Box]

As for the list, he did carry Nathan Cleverly to his corner when he was fighting Sergey Kovalev.

[ElJefe]

Here's an example of a bad Foster stoppage. In a Brook fight, no less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL441H0vemg

Fast forward to 23:20 to see the brutal stoppage. The Pole was all over the place, thank god Foster stepped in when he did!

As for the list, he did carry Nathan Cleverly to his corner when he was fighting Sergey Kovalev.

That was Terry O'Connor.

[Mexi-Box]

Here's an example of a bad Foster stoppage. In a Brook fight, no less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL441H0vemg

Fast forward to 23:20 to see the brutal stoppage. The Pole was all over the place, thank god Foster stepped in when he did!

As for the list, he did carry Nathan Cleverly to his corner when he was fighting Sergey Kovalev.

That was Terry O'Connor.

For some reason, I thought he also did the Froch/Groves fight. Nevermind, reason to always check before you post.

[tonymaccaroni]

After 'discussing' with Verlichte myself I actually feel sad as a lot of what he says is reasonable or at worst from a perspective of UK promoter bias. The sad part is that when you offer an alternative opinion that contradicts his stance, he doesn't grasp that events and 'facts' are sometimes subjective or open to questioning. You see something one way, I see it another.. it makes for good discussion and if you are open you may end up learning something new or understanding something from a different perspective.

Unfortunately Verlichte's superiority complex means he takes these counter points as insults to his superior boxing knowledge and rather then discussing and explaining his opinion he starts insulting and undermining, then blames you for doing that very thing in return to him.

Shame really as would make for some good discussion if not for the clear mental issues/narcissism.

Imo Foster is pretty dodgy. The first fight was never a stoppage and it looked like they stopped the fight the first time Froch landed a punch which was unfair as he has been floored and smashed up for the entire evening up until that point. Groves got hit yes but was still defending himself and throwing punches back. In a mega fight between two top fighters. Would never have been stopped anywhere else in the world.

Foster has been involved in plenty of dodgy calls. Listing them would require research as I cannot remember a call as bad as the one being discussed that springs to mind, maybe as this fight was such a big one in comparison to the smaller fights he has ref'd which have appeared dodgy. But having watched pretty much the entire UK scene for the last 10-12 years he is a name I grimace at when I see he is ref.

Sad to say the rematch cleared the matter up entirely and I am a big Groves fan and watched him since his debut on Sky.

Please follow the chain of messages that we've exchanged on this forum, because you'll find that you tried to insult me on multiple occasions prior to me deciding to adopt a more aggressive tone towards your posts.

You do have some good thoughts about the sport, but you resort to insults when someone provides evidence that contradicts your opinion, which is something that I cannot be held responsible for.

I believe you drew first blood.... so to speak:

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 1#p4661141

I gave my opinion citing i believe I know who the one person is that voted for BJS, bu I do not think I said anything offensive and just tried to explain my position in my first post.

In your next post at the end you said and I quote:

Please explain to everyone what you believe the facts to be in relation to this matter, because your lack of knowledge suggests that you've only just started following the sport.

I think this is how most of the issues begin tbh.

[verlichte]

After 'discussing' with Verlichte myself I actually feel sad as a lot of what he says is reasonable or at worst from a perspective of UK promoter bias. The sad part is that when you offer an alternative opinion that contradicts his stance, he doesn't grasp that events and 'facts' are sometimes subjective or open to questioning. You see something one way, I see it another.. it makes for good discussion and if you are open you may end up learning something new or understanding something from a different perspective.

Unfortunately Verlichte's superiority complex means he takes these counter points as insults to his superior boxing knowledge and rather then discussing and explaining his opinion he starts insulting and undermining, then blames you for doing that very thing in return to him.

Shame really as would make for some good discussion if not for the clear mental issues/narcissism.

Imo Foster is pretty dodgy. The first fight was never a stoppage and it looked like they stopped the fight the first time Froch landed a punch which was unfair as he has been floored and smashed up for the entire evening up until that point. Groves got hit yes but was still defending himself and throwing punches back. In a mega fight between two top fighters. Would never have been stopped anywhere else in the world.

Foster has been involved in plenty of dodgy calls. Listing them would require research as I cannot remember a call as bad as the one being discussed that springs to mind, maybe as this fight was such a big one in comparison to the smaller fights he has ref'd which have appeared dodgy. But having watched pretty much the entire UK scene for the last 10-12 years he is a name I grimace at when I see he is ref.

Sad to say the rematch cleared the matter up entirely and I am a big Groves fan and watched him since his debut on Sky.

Please follow the chain of messages that we've exchanged on this forum, because you'll find that you tried to insult me on multiple occasions prior to me deciding to adopt a more aggressive tone towards your posts.

You do have some good thoughts about the sport, but you resort to insults when someone provides evidence that contradicts your opinion, which is something that I cannot be held responsible for.

I believe you drew first blood.... so to speak:

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 1#p4661141

I gave my opinion citing i believe I know who the one person is that voted for BJS, bu I do not think I said anything offensive and just tried to explain my position in my first post.

In your next post at the end you said and I quote:

Please explain to everyone what you believe the facts to be in relation to this matter, because your lack of knowledge suggests that you've only just started following the sport.

I think this is how most of the issues begin tbh.

The post you've quoted actually endorses my claims.

[tonymaccaroni]

Please follow the chain of messages that we've exchanged on this forum, because you'll find that you tried to insult me on multiple occasions prior to me deciding to adopt a more aggressive tone towards your posts.

You do have some good thoughts about the sport, but you resort to insults when someone provides evidence that contradicts your opinion, which is something that I cannot be held responsible for.

I believe you drew first blood.... so to speak:

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 1#p4661141

I gave my opinion citing i believe I know who the one person is that voted for BJS, bu I do not think I said anything offensive and just tried to explain my position in my first post.

In your next post at the end you said and I quote:

Please explain to everyone what you believe the facts to be in relation to this matter, because your lack of knowledge suggests that you've only just started following the sport.

I think this is how most of the issues begin tbh.

The post you've quoted actually endorses my claims.

Care to explain how....? Even in my next post I say nothing offensive, I say that if you think that BJS is ont he same level as GG and canelo that is fantasy... to which you reply calling me a kid! Then you call me a lunatic in the next post lol.

I dont see what I said that was offensive to you in either of my first two responses in that thread.