Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

Outcome?

Poll ended at 20 May 2017, 08:20

Murata by KO
3
19%
Murata by Decision
8
50%
N'Dam by KO
1
6%
N'Dam by Decision
4
25%
Draw
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 16

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Re: Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

Post by Cutman Scabbers »

Tanzio wrote:Bandwagon "the decision was corrupt, boxing is in the toilet" kneejerk bullsh!t.

Murata has only himself to blame for the decision, which could have gone either way, imo. He did literally next to nothing for the entire first three rounds, giving them away voluntarily to N'Dam. Hassan was easily leading round four before Murata finally landed something of note and dropped N'Dam the Weeble Wobble with a picture perfect right on the button. There would be no more picture perfect punches in this fight.

Murata could not cutoff a dandelion with a sickle; absolutely hapless footwork. Don't blame N'Dam for using the ring to bewilder the Japanese robot. Even when in range Murata was far too reticent to let his hands go. He lost rounds throughout the fight by way of inactivity.

There were too few clear rounds, half of which were the first three in N'Dam's favor thanks to Murata literally giving them away. Other than that, four (obviously), six, and seven were clear Murata rounds. That leaves six close rounds, five of which were very close, imo.

I think that Gustavo Padilla's (Panama) card was far too wide for N'Dam, and Raul Caiz's (USA) was far too wide for Murata. I can see a rationalization for 115-112 in either direction or closer.

I scored it 114-113 Murata, making the KD the difference in this fight. It was there to be had in clear fashion for Murata but he failed to do the work to get it done.

1. 10-9 N'Dam (Murata throws about 5 total punches, landing zero)

2. 10-9 N'Dam (Murata finally lands one combo but pays for it)

3. 10-9 N'Dam (Murata just not active enough)

4. 10-8 Murata (N'Dam clearly leading the round before Murata lands the one picture perfect punch of the evening which turns out to be the difference on my card)

5. 10-9 N'Dam (very close, a slip by N'Dam could have been interpreted as a landed Murata punch and changed scores)

6. 10-9 Murata (clear round Murata, 57-56 N'Dam going into the second half)

7. 10-9 Murata (but still not proactive enough at a time when he could have clearly taken control)

8. 10-9 N'Dam (very close)

9. 10-9 Murata (very close)

10. 10-9 Murata (too close for no reason)

11. 10-9 N'Dam (very close steal)

12. 10-9 Murata (again too close due to Murata's lack of activity, and killer instinct, as well as N'Dam's underrated skills, and gifts, including massive heart)

Rumors of N'Dam the Weeble Wobble being shot are massively premature. He is (as stated previously) the quintessential middle weight gatekeeper.

I had Murata winning but he was anything but impressive. Maybe if there is a rematch he can get it done right.

I also had it 114-113 Murata, though I had Murata winning rounds 5 and 12, (I think you typed Murata instead of
N'Dam for round 12), and N'Dam winning round 10.

Still, I was shocked by the outcome, as I'm accustomed to seeing the hometown fighter get the
nod when it's a draw or very close decision either way.

I couldn't understand why Murata gave the first two rounds away. Was he afraid N'Dam was going to
take him out early like Alfonso Blanco? Please.

Murata didn't throw much, but almost every time he connected it looked like N'Dam was hurt.
Not letting his hands go was a big mistake -- especially after the knockdown.

Even so, I can't see it 115-112 the other way, as you could.
A draw? Maybe. But there's no way N'Dam won that fight.
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Re: Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

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I don't have a score as I was not operating at 100% watching the fight starting at like 4:30am PDT. I did not even leave the stream going for the decision and I thought it was surely going the other way.
It seemed Murata was the clear winner, dropping N'dam, wobbling him a few times, never being very shaken himself and showing good defense against N'dam's high work rate from the outside. I was thinking N'dam could be taking the quiet rounds on activity, and apparently that was enough. It seems that although Murata had all the highlight reel stuff, he was quietly outworked in the more forgettable rounds. He was conservative and trying to time N'dam from the start behind a high guard, but in hindsight he should have thrown just a bit more.
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Re: Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

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It was a bad decision, but it would be even worse if Murata got the title after a poor performance. Let's not forget that he hasn't fought anybody with a pulse before N'Dam who is by far his best opponent.
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Re: Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

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Gilberto Mendoza scored it 117-110 to Murata, he's tweeted that he will order a rematch and has apologised to Murata, Teiken and boxing fans.
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Re: Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

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Murata should first rematch Khytrov.
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Re: Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

Post by Freedom2013 »

apollo creed wrote:Murata - japanese olympic gold medalist getting robbed in his home-country. That's weird.
None of the judges were from Japan.

It was a clear robbery. N'Dam didn't win more than 3 rounds, and he was knocked down.

One judge had the correct scorecard, 117-110 Murata.

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Re: Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

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Re: Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

Post by Mexi-Box »

Cutman Scabbers wrote:
Mexi-Box wrote:This is easily one of the worst decisions of the year. N'Dam did not win a round after the 3rd.

I could see how he might have taken rounds 8, 10 and 11.

But even if you give him all three, he still loses the fight
due to the knockdown.
I can't see it. On another forum, no one gave him anything at all after the 3rd. N'Dam only won 3-4 rounds at most. I scored the 3rd round for him, but it was a close one that could've easily gone to Murata too. Horrible decision. Anyone saying it was close does not at all know how to score fights. N'Dam was getting hammered and barely landed anything significant.
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Re: Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

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Oh, ok. From now on, why doesn't the WBA president just judge every
title bout from his home in Panama?
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Re: Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

Post by Tanzio »

Murata did far too little to win by 117-110. I scored it for him by the difference of the KD but Murata has only himself to blame. N'Dam slyly stole round after round.

It WAS a robbery. N'Dam stole it from Murata, expertly.
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Re: Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

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Tanzio wrote:Murata did far too little to win by 117-110. I scored it for him by the difference of the KD but Murata has only himself to blame. N'Dam slyly stole round after round.

It WAS a robbery. N'Dam stole it from Murata, expertly.
Is 117-110 much of a stretch when you gave Murata 6 rounds, and describe the 3 rounds you gave Ndam after the third as being extremely close?
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Re: Ryota Murata vs. Hassan N'Dam

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crusader wrote:
Tanzio wrote:Murata did far too little to win by 117-110. I scored it for him by the difference of the KD but Murata has only himself to blame. N'Dam slyly stole round after round.

It WAS a robbery. N'Dam stole it from Murata, expertly.
Is 117-110 much of a stretch when you gave Murata 6 rounds, and describe the 3 rounds you gave Ndam after the third as being extremely close?
Every close round would have to be given to Murata. I suppose that is possible, but I also gave Murata two very close and one close round. So, I suppose the 116-111 N'Dam was not out of the question either.

Look, I had Murata winning but there were too many close rounds for this split decision to be considered a robbery. If anything Murata robbed himself.
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