LOL at Brook:'I was in there with the big, most-feared middleweight there is but I showed I could stand with him'

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You think GGG could cut 13lbs? I think he'd look like a corpse!

He just doesn't cut much weight to begin with. It would be a horrible shock to his system. But yeah, he was 163 at his last 30 day weigh in, I'm sure he could do it.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Enjoy your arm chair knowledge. You're too stubborn to listen

I'm listening, you're just entirely wrong.

I can only hope you're actually learning but aren't saying so to save face

I'm simple minded enough, can't let someone infringe on the few topics I'm well versed at. Luckily, unlike yourself, I don't blabber on about subjects I have no knowledge of.

[Ossyrules]

Probably, he wouldn't look good though. Gets a lot harder at that age. He's never been a drainer.

Half answers my question

Could he do 147 and actually compete.

Your question is stupid. You claim to have intimate knowledge of weight cutting yet you don't seem to grasp that his body may not respond to a weight cut he hasn't done for decades. No, I don't think he'd be the same at 47. After fighting at a more natural weight, I don't think Kell will either.

Hes a career middleweight. every fight. There's never been any suggestion he does 147

[Ossyrules]

I'm listening, you're just entirely wrong.

I can only hope you're actually learning but aren't saying so to save face

I'm simple minded enough, can't let someone infringe on the few topics I'm well versed at. Luckily, unlike yourself, I don't blabber on about subjects I have no knowledge of.

This is the funniest post of the lot

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Half answers my question

Could he do 147 and actually compete.

Your question is stupid. You claim to have intimate knowledge of weight cutting yet you don't seem to grasp that his body may not respond to a weight cut he hasn't done for decades. No, I don't think he'd be the same at 47. After fighting at a more natural weight, I don't think Kell will either.

Hes a career middleweight. every fight. There's never been any suggestion he does 147

Exactly, that's why your question was so dumb. He's a career Middleweight that doesn't drain much. Same as Hagler and Hopkins. He's just strong as hell and hits like a mule. Other fighters, like Brook and Spence, drain a fuckton of weight. If Kell had the same approach as GGG, he'd be a middleweight. That's the whole point you silly goose.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I can only hope you're actually learning but aren't saying so to save face

I'm simple minded enough, can't let someone infringe on the few topics I'm well versed at. Luckily, unlike yourself, I don't blabber on about subjects I have no knowledge of.

This is the funniest post of the lot

Thanks

[sharpei_louis]

Your question is stupid. You claim to have intimate knowledge of weight cutting yet you don't seem to grasp that his body may not respond to a weight cut he hasn't done for decades. No, I don't think he'd be the same at 47. After fighting at a more natural weight, I don't think Kell will either.

Hes a career middleweight. every fight. There's never been any suggestion he does 147

Exactly, that's why your question was so dumb. He's a career Middleweight that doesn't drain much. Same as Hagler and Hopkins. He's just strong as hell and hits like a mule. Other fighters, like Brook and Spence, drain a fuckton of weight. If Kell had the same approach as GGG, he'd be a middleweight. That's the whole point you silly goose.

But if GGG had the same approach as Brook, he'd be a LHW. They have different approaches, due to their different body types. This isn't evidence of who is bigger naturally. The fact Brook doesn't have the same approach as GGG is evidence that they're not similar sized naturally, which is my point.

[Ossyrules]

Your question is stupid. You claim to have intimate knowledge of weight cutting yet you don't seem to grasp that his body may not respond to a weight cut he hasn't done for decades. No, I don't think he'd be the same at 47. After fighting at a more natural weight, I don't think Kell will either.

Hes a career middleweight. every fight. There's never been any suggestion he does 147

Exactly, that's why your question was so dumb. He's a career Middleweight that doesn't drain much. Same as Hagler and Hopkins. He's just strong as hell and hits like a mule. Other fighters, like Brook and Spence, drain a fuckton of weight. If Kell had the same approach as GGG, he'd be a middleweight. That's the whole point you silly goose.

Brook makes 147 as he's smaller and he's still competitive and live at the weight.

Golovkin cannot do it, at any point of his career, and he's too big

That's the point

[sharpei_louis]

Hard to dispute that IMO.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Hes a career middleweight. every fight. There's never been any suggestion he does 147

Exactly, that's why your question was so dumb. He's a career Middleweight that doesn't drain much. Same as Hagler and Hopkins. He's just strong as hell and hits like a mule. Other fighters, like Brook and Spence, drain a fuckton of weight. If Kell had the same approach as GGG, he'd be a middleweight. That's the whole point you silly goose.

But if GGG had the same approach as Brook, he'd be a LHW. They have different approaches, due to their different body types. This isn't evidence of who is bigger naturally. The fact Brook doesn't have the same approach as GGG is evidence that they're not similar sized naturally, which is my point.

The fact that they train at or around the same weight is what should lead you to the obvious conclusion that there is no significant size difference. Again, Kell isn't some fat guy burning off blubber. It's also much easier to cut weight when you're younger

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Hes a career middleweight. every fight. There's never been any suggestion he does 147

Exactly, that's why your question was so dumb. He's a career Middleweight that doesn't drain much. Same as Hagler and Hopkins. He's just strong as hell and hits like a mule. Other fighters, like Brook and Spence, drain a fuckton of weight. If Kell had the same approach as GGG, he'd be a middleweight. That's the whole point you silly goose.

Brook makes 147 as he's smaller and he's still competitive and live at the weight.

Golovkin cannot do it, at any point of his career, and he's too big

That's the point

The point is that you're clueless.

[Ossyrules]

Exactly, that's why your question was so dumb. He's a career Middleweight that doesn't drain much. Same as Hagler and Hopkins. He's just strong as hell and hits like a mule. Other fighters, like Brook and Spence, drain a fuckton of weight. If Kell had the same approach as GGG, he'd be a middleweight. That's the whole point you silly goose.

Brook makes 147 as he's smaller and he's still competitive and live at the weight.

Golovkin cannot do it, at any point of his career, and he's too big

That's the point

The point is that you're clueless.

I take back my earlier post

This is now the funniest one

[Ossyrules]

Hard to dispute that IMO.

It can't be disputed but watch him try

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Brook makes 147 as he's smaller and he's still competitive and live at the weight.

Golovkin cannot do it, at any point of his career, and he's too big

That's the point

The point is that you're clueless.

I take back my earlier post

This is now the funniest one

Good for you, revel in your ignorance.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Hard to dispute that IMO.

It can't be disputed but watch him try

4 weeks before the fight, in the heart of camp, Brook weighed 10 pounds more than GGG. A week before the fight, Brook weighed 4 or 5 pounds more than GGG, in the ring, Brook weighed more than GGG. Their dimensions are not lopsided. Brook cuts a lot of weight, GGG never did.

As soon as the fight was signed I said Brook would have the weight advantage. Just like in this thread, I was right.

Can't be disputed? You're spouting nonsensical gibberish.

[sharpei_louis]

I said that

"Golovkin cannot do it [147lbs], at any point of his career, and he's too big"

Is hard to dispute.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I said that

"Golovkin cannot do it [147lbs], at any point of his career, and he's too big"

Is hard to dispute.

The fact that he's 163 30 days from a fight in his mid-30's makes that statement hard to agree with. He never wanted to, guys like him and Floyd are rare these days. Most of these guys camps are more about cutting weight than learning and refining skills.

[sharpei_louis]

Come on now, this is sounding a bit desperate to say that a fighter like Brook is more about cutting weight than refining skills. It's harsh in the extreme.

He's a career WW. He may cut, but generally got in the ring at 160ish. Yeah that's 13lbs above his limit.
GGG is a career MW, he generally got in the ring 168-170lbs. He's 8-10lbs above his limit.


You've talked of facts earlier in the thread, but bottom line is that Brook at MW was a significant jump - against a MW who was knocking them all out, and Brook showed some good skills and heart. I truly believe he is right to take some positives from the fight and that he comes away with credit. To completely dismiss this and insinuate that Brook is the bigger guy -is more about cutting than skills and Golovkin completely the opposite - is massively polarised. I still can't see the logical argument then Brook had a genuine weight/size advantage.

To suggest that he has somehow performed poorly against the (really) undisputed MW champ when stopped on his feet and after showing some good skills... well you must have a very very small number of fighters you think are any good then!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

What? I thought he gave a great account of himself and have never said otherwise. As for the comment about guys dedicating a ton of time for huge weight cuts, that should just be common sense. I've heard many boxers and mma fighters say exactly that after they move up.You're taking it far too literally if you think I meant that they don't train their skills at all. ive also never claimed brook had a size advantage. Lol, where did you even get that stuff.

[sharpei_louis]

Just going off a few of your posts, and the subject of this thread (‘LOL at Brook etc…’) – your tone suggested that you felt Brook’s comment about being in with a big and feared MW was incorrect.
I’ve probably mentally grouped your posts with others. I have a habit of doing that and feeling like you’re on one side of a debate or another rather than picking your individual comments; my bad.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Just going off a few of your posts, and the subject of this thread (‘LOL at Brook etc…’) – your tone suggested that you felt Brook’s comment about being in with a big and feared MW was incorrect.
I’ve probably mentally grouped your posts with others. I have a habit of doing that and feeling like you’re on one side of a debate or another rather than picking your individual comments; my bad.

No worries, just took me by surprise. The second the fight was announced I said it would be GGG's toughest/best opponent. It was until Jacobs. I rate Kell highly, just think going back down is going to be brutal on him and I rate Spence through the roof anyway. I just don't think size beat him, whole new ballgame dealing with the punch and strength of a Middleweight, that doesn't mean he was smaller by any significant margin.

[Best Coast]

What is it you expect a champion boxer to be saying pre fight?

And he did stand with golovkin for few rounds before he got bust up in 5th

So if he inst stopped in the first 10 seconds he can brag about it? Everyone stands before getting KOed. Brook has nothing to take away from GGG fight.

Agreed!!

Bringing up his brave stand against a bigger, harder-hitting GGG is irrelevant to his fight with Spence. If Spence beats him it will be more of a stylistic issue. The fact that Brook even brings up his performance vs GGG and tries to make it relevant to the Spence fight sounds a little insecure IMO. Could Spence possibly be in Brook's head a little bit?

[sharpei_louis]

The context of this is probably a journo asking him how the GGG defeat will affect him.

[Best Coast]

The context of this is probably a journo asking him how the GGG defeat will affect him.

Thanks...hadnt considered that & you are probably right.