Boxing is WAY Better Without Floyd Mayweather

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Boxing is WAY Better Without Floyd Mayweather

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Boxing's resurgence and Floyd Mayweather's retirement are not mutually exclusive. In fact, i'd say that it's probably the biggest factor into why the sport is having it's best year in decades. Floyd made a career of finding the least amount of risk for the most money. Floyd's fights never lived up to the hype as a result. Others copied Floyd's model or tried to as they do in any successful business. Every promoter was protecting their boxers and carefully matching them up to accrue wins and superficial undefeated records. Not only were Floyd's fights all sizzle and no steak but the rest of boxing tried to copy it and look what we ended up getting as fans. 2016 was THE worst year in boxing history say some people.

This year in boxing has been amazing and it's all because we do not have Floyd's snooze fest fights taking up the best boxing weekend of the year. Promoters have ditched the Floyd Model with their stables of boxers and are now trying to make fights between the best of the best and testing their fighters. Also, these fighters aren't afraid to lose the O in their record like Floyd was. We are not even halfway through the year and look at how many great fights we've already had. That wouldn't have happened had Floyd still been the top PPV star.

Now my only fear is that TMT is a success and signs more important fighters to the sport. Floyd already said that his star fighter Gervonta Davis would not be fighting Lomanchenko anytime soon and he wants to bring him up slowly. You've seen this before people...you've read this book before. Floyd is just bad for Boxing whether he's in boxing trunks or 3 piece suit.
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Davis is young, but he is a world champion. He will have tough title defenses eventually. I don't know if the great matchups lately have anything to do with Mayweather's retirement.
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Here are several points worth considering (in the context of the claims made by this thread):

• The fact that Canelo has agreed to facing Gennady Golovkin has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Anthony Joshua shared the ring with Wladimir Klitschko has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Andre Ward shared the ring with Sergey Kovalev (and will do so again) has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Kell Brook has agreed to facing Errol Spence has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that James DeGale and Badou Jack fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Dillian Whyte and Dereck Chisora fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Carl Frampton and Leo Santa Cruz fought twice has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Gennady Golovkin and Kell Brook fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

The list goes on-and-on-and-on…
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Enlightened-One wrote:Here are several points worth considering (in the context of the claims made by this thread):

• The fact that Canelo has agreed to facing Gennady Golovkin has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Anthony Joshua shared the ring with Wladimir Klitschko has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Andre Ward shared the ring with Sergey Kovalev (and will do so again) has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Kell Brook has agreed to facing Errol Spence has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that James DeGale and Badou Jack fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Dillian Whyte and Dereck Chisora fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Carl Frampton and Leo Santa Cruz fought twice has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Gennady Golovkin and Kell Brook fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

The list goes on-and-on-and-on…
You're right none of these match ups had anything to do with Floyd...but you're kind of proving his point...they are no longer following Floyd's model, no longer under his influence.
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There's a few fights in and around 147 that might not have happened if Floyd was still kicking around. Guys scared to commit to anything incase they miss out on a massive pay day against Floyd. Khan was the worst for it. He's effectively wasted a large portion of his prime waiting around and treading water chasing a pay day.

For example Thurman v Garcia and Brook v Spence may not have happened. Same with Canelo v Khan (not a fight I wanted to see anyway). It's hard to say if it's better as a whole without him but the 147/154 scene is certainly a lot healthier without Floyd dictating things.
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Fyodor Jung wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:Here are several points worth considering (in the context of the claims made by this thread):

• The fact that Canelo has agreed to facing Gennady Golovkin has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Anthony Joshua shared the ring with Wladimir Klitschko has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Andre Ward shared the ring with Sergey Kovalev (and will do so again) has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Kell Brook has agreed to facing Errol Spence has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that James DeGale and Badou Jack fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Dillian Whyte and Dereck Chisora fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Carl Frampton and Leo Santa Cruz fought twice has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Gennady Golovkin and Kell Brook fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

The list goes on-and-on-and-on…
You're right none of these match ups had anything to do with Floyd...but you're kind of proving his point...they are no longer following Floyd's model, no longer under his influence.
They weren't following his model in the first place. It’s actually fúckíng stupid to pretend that they were even slightly influenced by him.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. was never the Pied Piper of boxing, luring everyone involved in the sport to adopt precisely the same mind-set in regards to choosing their fights,

It’s absolute fúckíng nonsense to place the blame entirely on Floyd Mayweather Jr. for everything that had previously gone wrong with the sport. It's simply a moronic thing to say!

People don’t like Floyd Mayweather Jr., which is their prerogative, but to fabricate fictional claims or embellish trivial situations to horrendous proportions, whilst bearing little or no relation to the events that actually took place in the real-world, in order to create opportunities to repeatedly vent their hatred of the man, is fúckíng astoundingly moronic!
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He was definitely negatively affecting WW. Top guys were afraid to fight each other, get beaten and lose their potential shot at Floyd. Also, an example of a top p4p boxer fighting twice a year against cherry picked opponents and still getting 8-digit checks definitely inspired many boxers from different weight classes to sign with Haymon depriving us from exciting fights.
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Considering I knew the exact result of Mayweather's last few fights (a boring decision for Mayweather)

I find that boxing hasn't changed one iota since he's retired.
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Tony1244 wrote:Considering I knew the exact result of Mayweather's last few fights (a boring decision for Mayweather)

I find that boxing hasn't changed one iota since he's retired.
While I do not agree that FMJ is everything that was / is wrong with boxing, no way Once Upon A Time v Danny or Brook v Spence would have happened.

Furthermore, there is little doubt that GingerHead has followed the FMJ blueprint for years. GingerHead v Khan and JCC Jr are perfect examples of FMJ type circus events. Team GingerHead's scheduling of 3G for September is a calculated risk taken a year earlier than they would have liked.

People suggesting that the biggest box office and ppv star in boxing history had little influence on the entire sport are being disingenuous or they are just ignorant. The evidence is crystal clear.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
Fyodor Jung wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:Here are several points worth considering (in the context of the claims made by this thread):

• The fact that Canelo has agreed to facing Gennady Golovkin has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Anthony Joshua shared the ring with Wladimir Klitschko has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Andre Ward shared the ring with Sergey Kovalev (and will do so again) has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Kell Brook has agreed to facing Errol Spence has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that James DeGale and Badou Jack fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Dillian Whyte and Dereck Chisora fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Carl Frampton and Leo Santa Cruz fought twice has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Gennady Golovkin and Kell Brook fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

The list goes on-and-on-and-on…
You're right none of these match ups had anything to do with Floyd...but you're kind of proving his point...they are no longer following Floyd's model, no longer under his influence.
They weren't following his model in the first place. It’s actually fúckíng stupid to pretend that they were even slightly influenced by him.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. was never the Pied Piper of boxing, luring everyone involved in the sport to adopt precisely the same mind-set in regards to choosing their fights,

It’s absolute fúckíng nonsense to place the blame entirely on Floyd Mayweather Jr. for everything that had previously gone wrong with the sport. It's simply a moronic thing to say!

People don’t like Floyd Mayweather Jr., which is their prerogative, but to fabricate fictional claims or embellish trivial situations to horrendous proportions, whilst bearing little or no relation to the events that actually took place in the real-world, in order to create opportunities to repeatedly vent their hatred of the man, is fúckíng astoundingly moronic!
Food for thought, I don't like Floyd; he sounds like a spoilt child and is annoying as fornicate but he's a brilliant boxer. I was kind of playing devils advocate but you made me see it in a different light cheers. I know it's not as black and white as we like to think sometimes but why do you think fighters are taking more risks recently? :salut:
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Tanzio wrote:
Tony1244 wrote:Considering I knew the exact result of Mayweather's last few fights (a boring decision for Mayweather)

I find that boxing hasn't changed one iota since he's retired.
While I do not agree that FMJ is everything that was / is wrong with boxing, no way Once Upon A Time v Danny or Brook v Spence would have happened.

Furthermore, there is little doubt that GingerHead has followed the FMJ blueprint for years. GingerHead v Khan and JCC Jr are perfect examples of FMJ type circus events. Team GingerHead's scheduling of 3G for September is a calculated risk taken a year earlier than they would have liked.

People suggesting that the biggest box office and ppv star in boxing history had little influence on the entire sport are being disingenuous or they are just ignorant. The evidence is crystal clear.

I certainly never suggested he had little influence, that would be absurd. But if more competitive fights are happening without him, that's a good tradeoff.
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Fyodor Jung wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
Fyodor Jung wrote:
You're right none of these match ups had anything to do with Floyd...but you're kind of proving his point...they are no longer following Floyd's model, no longer under his influence.
They weren't following his model in the first place. It’s actually fúckíng stupid to pretend that they were even slightly influenced by him.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. was never the Pied Piper of boxing, luring everyone involved in the sport to adopt precisely the same mind-set in regards to choosing their fights,

It’s absolute fúckíng nonsense to place the blame entirely on Floyd Mayweather Jr. for everything that had previously gone wrong with the sport. It's simply a moronic thing to say!

People don’t like Floyd Mayweather Jr., which is their prerogative, but to fabricate fictional claims or embellish trivial situations to horrendous proportions, whilst bearing little or no relation to the events that actually took place in the real-world, in order to create opportunities to repeatedly vent their hatred of the man, is fúckíng astoundingly moronic!
Food for thought, I don't like Floyd; he sounds like a spoilt child and is annoying as eff but he's a brilliant boxer. I was kind of playing devils advocate but you made me see it in a different light cheers. I know it's not as black and white as we like to think sometimes but why do you think fighters are taking more risks recently? :salut:
In terms of Floyd's out-of-ring persona, as portrayed by the media, he comes across as pretty unpleasant bloke.

Being dislikeable does not necessary mean that he should therefore be automatically deemed “guilty” of any fabricated “crimes” that his detractors accuse him of.

Being a complete and utter wánkér does not mean that you should be automatically deemed responsible for the unscrupulous actions of all the boxers, managers, promoters and TV networks that are involved in the sport of boxing.

People allow their hatred to blind themselves to the reality of situations.

To answer your question though, most fighters are willing to face anyone as long as the reward justifies the risks.

The fact that HBO and possibly the PBC are short of funds, means that boxers know that there is a limit to the available financial rewards for any career risks that they take, which means that they have to realign their expectations accordingly.
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Enlightened-One wrote:Here are several points worth considering (in the context of the claims made by this thread):

• The fact that Canelo has agreed to facing Gennady Golovkin has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Anthony Joshua shared the ring with Wladimir Klitschko has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Andre Ward shared the ring with Sergey Kovalev (and will do so again) has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Kell Brook has agreed to facing Errol Spence has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that James DeGale and Badou Jack fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Dillian Whyte and Dereck Chisora fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Carl Frampton and Leo Santa Cruz fought twice has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Gennady Golovkin and Kell Brook fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

The list goes on-and-on-and-on…
Yes, you are great at listing out fights that have happened but you are not smart enough to understand why these fights are happening. These fights are happening because the state of boxing was in such bad shape from what Floyd did to it that promoters had to start amping it up to make up for it. After the "super fight" debacle between Floyd and Manny fizzled, that absolutely killed the sport. Not too long after network budgets were being cut along with programing. So you basically just proved my point.

Why don't list out the big fights when Floyd was active? Let's see that list. Exactly. Maybe 2 great fights per year if we were lucky.
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Stuarty30 wrote:There's a few fights in and around 147 that might not have happened if Floyd was still kicking around. Guys scared to commit to anything incase they miss out on a massive pay day against Floyd. Khan was the worst for it. He's effectively wasted a large portion of his prime waiting around and treading water chasing a pay day.

For example Thurman v Garcia and Brook v Spence may not have happened. Same with Canelo v Khan (not a fight I wanted to see anyway). It's hard to say if it's better as a whole without him but the 147/154 scene is certainly a lot healthier without Floyd dictating things.
Brilliant point Stuarty. I hadn't ever considered that but you are absolutely right. 147 has been jacked with talent up and down it for many years and we are just now starting to see these guys pitted against each other. Now that i think about it, Thurman didn't start facing top challengers until Floyd retired. He definitely had one eye on the Floyd Sweepstakes. Pretty good take man.
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caldo2025 wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:Here are several points worth considering (in the context of the claims made by this thread):

• The fact that Canelo has agreed to facing Gennady Golovkin has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Anthony Joshua shared the ring with Wladimir Klitschko has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Andre Ward shared the ring with Sergey Kovalev (and will do so again) has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Kell Brook has agreed to facing Errol Spence has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that James DeGale and Badou Jack fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Dillian Whyte and Dereck Chisora fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Carl Frampton and Leo Santa Cruz fought twice has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• The fact that Gennady Golovkin and Kell Brook fought has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

The list goes on-and-on-and-on…
Yes, you are great at listing out fights that have happened but you are not smart enough to understand why these fights are happening. These fights are happening because the state of boxing was in such bad shape from what Floyd did to it that promoters had to start amping it up to make up for it. After the "super fight" debacle between Floyd and Manny fizzled, that absolutely killed the sport. Not too long after network budgets were being cut along with programing. So you basically just proved my point.
I did not prove your point. Please review the rest of my comments in this thread where I elaborated on my opinions and then let me know your thoughts?

Out of interest, do you think that HBO cut their budget purely because of the Mayweather-Pacquiao bout, which was a huge financial success, or do you believe that it was really due to a Time Warner initiative that didn't have anything to do with the sport of boxing?
caldo2025 wrote:Why don't list out the big fights when Floyd was active? Let's see that list. Exactly. Maybe 2 great fights per year if we were lucky.
That's a task that you should have done in the first place, because in order to formulate an opinion that is based on fact and is also very difficult to undermine, you should have carried out enough research and made at least some effort to try to disprove your own theory in order to verify its accuracy. It seems that you haven’t, otherwise you would have quoted it…
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caldo2025 wrote:
Stuarty30 wrote:There's a few fights in and around 147 that might not have happened if Floyd was still kicking around. Guys scared to commit to anything incase they miss out on a massive pay day against Floyd. Khan was the worst for it. He's effectively wasted a large portion of his prime waiting around and treading water chasing a pay day.

For example Thurman v Garcia and Brook v Spence may not have happened. Same with Canelo v Khan (not a fight I wanted to see anyway). It's hard to say if it's better as a whole without him but the 147/154 scene is certainly a lot healthier without Floyd dictating things.
Brilliant point Stuarty. I hadn't ever considered that but you are absolutely right. 147 has been jacked with talent up and down it for many years and we are just now starting to see these guys pitted against each other. Now that i think about it, Thurman didn't start facing top challengers until Floyd retired. He definitely had one eye on the Floyd Sweepstakes. Pretty good take man.
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caldo2025 wrote:Boxing's resurgence and Floyd Mayweather's retirement are not mutually exclusive. In fact, i'd say that it's probably the biggest factor into why the sport is having it's best year in decades. Floyd made a career of finding the least amount of risk for the most money. Floyd's fights never lived up to the hype as a result. Others copied Floyd's model or tried to as they do in any successful business. Every promoter was protecting their boxers and carefully matching them up to accrue wins and superficial undefeated records. Not only were Floyd's fights all sizzle and no steak but the rest of boxing tried to copy it and look what we ended up getting as fans. 2016 was THE worst year in boxing history say some people.

This year in boxing has been amazing and it's all because we do not have Floyd's snooze fest fights taking up the best boxing weekend of the year. Promoters have ditched the Floyd Model with their stables of boxers and are now trying to make fights between the best of the best and testing their fighters. Also, these fighters aren't afraid to lose the O in their record like Floyd was. We are not even halfway through the year and look at how many great fights we've already had. That wouldn't have happened had Floyd still been the top PPV star.

Now my only fear is that TMT is a success and signs more important fighters to the sport. Floyd already said that his star fighter Gervonta Davis would not be fighting Lomanchenko anytime soon and he wants to bring him up slowly. You've seen this before people...you've read this book before. Floyd is just bad for Boxing whether he's in boxing trunks or 3 piece suit.
Very well said. Fraudweather was a protected corrupt con artist fraud. The worst example and face of the sport in ring history. The sooner this POS is flushed out of the sport the better off the sport will be. Floyd ruined boxing's image and integrity with his repulsive disgusting disgraceful persona. 100% total corrupt protected thieving fraud.
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caldo2025 wrote:
Stuarty30 wrote:There's a few fights in and around 147 that might not have happened if Floyd was still kicking around. Guys scared to commit to anything incase they miss out on a massive pay day against Floyd. Khan was the worst for it. He's effectively wasted a large portion of his prime waiting around and treading water chasing a pay day.

For example Thurman v Garcia and Brook v Spence may not have happened. Same with Canelo v Khan (not a fight I wanted to see anyway). It's hard to say if it's better as a whole without him but the 147/154 scene is certainly a lot healthier without Floyd dictating things.
Brilliant point Stuarty. I hadn't ever considered that but you are absolutely right. 147 has been jacked with talent up and down it for many years and we are just now starting to see these guys pitted against each other. Now that i think about it, Thurman didn't start facing top challengers until Floyd retired. He definitely had one eye on the Floyd Sweepstakes. Pretty good take man.
No. Thurman knew he was never gonna get Floyd because Haymon has Floyd's back forever. Keith knew Floyd was off limits. Keith knew the only guys that Haymon would let fight Floyd were all paid off patsies except Pacquiao who they rigged the judges. Haymon obviously has a pact with Floyd to never let him lose. Haymons power in boxing is all based on controlling fraud's career. Haymon has the power to protect Floyd from losing as malignaggi said: "Al Haymon can manipulate anything. what al haymon wants al haymon gets" Thurman knew he had to wait till floyd was done to be installed as a welterweight star. But Thurman's days could b short if he has to fight Spence or Brook. We will see if Thurman opts for Haymon to protect him from Brook and Spence or if he has honor and courage to face the best and not a series of handpicked patsies. See? This is how boxing works with Al Haymons PBC choreography series. It's all about $$$ and manipulating the fights for the best long term revenues streams.
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montrealsuper wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
Stuarty30 wrote:There's a few fights in and around 147 that might not have happened if Floyd was still kicking around. Guys scared to commit to anything incase they miss out on a massive pay day against Floyd. Khan was the worst for it. He's effectively wasted a large portion of his prime waiting around and treading water chasing a pay day.

For example Thurman v Garcia and Brook v Spence may not have happened. Same with Canelo v Khan (not a fight I wanted to see anyway). It's hard to say if it's better as a whole without him but the 147/154 scene is certainly a lot healthier without Floyd dictating things.
Brilliant point Stuarty. I hadn't ever considered that but you are absolutely right. 147 has been jacked with talent up and down it for many years and we are just now starting to see these guys pitted against each other. Now that i think about it, Thurman didn't start facing top challengers until Floyd retired. He definitely had one eye on the Floyd Sweepstakes. Pretty good take man.
No. Thurman knew he was never gonna get Floyd because Haymon has Floyd's back forever. Keith knew Floyd was off limits. Keith knew the only guys that Haymon would let fight Floyd were all paid off patsies except Pacquiao who they rigged the judges. Haymon obviously has a pact with Floyd to never let him lose. Haymons power in boxing is all based on controlling fraud's career. Haymon has the power to protect Floyd from losing as malignaggi said: "Al Haymon can manipulate anything. what al haymon wants al haymon gets" Thurman knew he had to wait till floyd was done to be installed as a welterweight star. But Thurman's days could b short if he has to fight Spence or Brook. We will see if Thurman opts for Haymon to protect him from Brook and Spence or if he has honor and courage to face the best and not a series of handpicked patsies. See? This is how boxing works with Al Haymons PBC choreography series. It's all about $$$ and manipulating the fights for the best long term revenues streams.
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I can't say I disagree with Montreal's points. I'm not nearly as upset about it, though. His nickname is "Money" ffs! His whole career was to make as much $ as possible, by any means. It was indeed a circus show, a very profitable one. " A sucker is born every minute" didn't PT Barnum say this?!
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Yet still you take the time to start threads about him. :roll:
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montrealsuper wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
Stuarty30 wrote:There's a few fights in and around 147 that might not have happened if Floyd was still kicking around. Guys scared to commit to anything incase they miss out on a massive pay day against Floyd. Khan was the worst for it. He's effectively wasted a large portion of his prime waiting around and treading water chasing a pay day.

For example Thurman v Garcia and Brook v Spence may not have happened. Same with Canelo v Khan (not a fight I wanted to see anyway). It's hard to say if it's better as a whole without him but the 147/154 scene is certainly a lot healthier without Floyd dictating things.
Brilliant point Stuarty. I hadn't ever considered that but you are absolutely right. 147 has been jacked with talent up and down it for many years and we are just now starting to see these guys pitted against each other. Now that i think about it, Thurman didn't start facing top challengers until Floyd retired. He definitely had one eye on the Floyd Sweepstakes. Pretty good take man.
No. Thurman knew he was never gonna get Floyd because Haymon has Floyd's back forever. Keith knew Floyd was off limits. Keith knew the only guys that Haymon would let fight Floyd were all paid off patsies except Pacquiao who they rigged the judges. Haymon obviously has a pact with Floyd to never let him lose. Haymons power in boxing is all based on controlling fraud's career. Haymon has the power to protect Floyd from losing as malignaggi said: "Al Haymon can manipulate anything. what al haymon wants al haymon gets" Thurman knew he had to wait till floyd was done to be installed as a welterweight star. But Thurman's days could b short if he has to fight Spence or Brook. We will see if Thurman opts for Haymon to protect him from Brook and Spence or if he has honor and courage to face the best and not a series of handpicked patsies. See? This is how boxing works with Al Haymons PBC choreography series. It's all about $$$ and manipulating the fights for the best long term revenues streams.
Thurman was the mandatory challenger for Floyd... Keith called Mayweather out...but Keith is a smart guy.. Keith knew Floyd would never fight him -- or fight Brook... or fight Porter... or fight Danny... or fight Crawford... or fight Spence.. or even fight Khan who Floyd could easily beat.. You see, Khan was a slight risk for Floyd -- like Judah was -- because of Khan's speed and because Floyd was never a big puncher who could take advantage of Khan's weak chin.. The only thing Khan ever had was speed, but that was enough to dominate Judah and Malignaggi.. Even Chris Algieri almost beat Khan.. Errol Spence actually laughed at how inept Chris Algieri was.. During the post fight interview Spence couldn't suppress his laughter when he said "We noticed that Algieri ducked right into left hooks" Spence couldn't get this out without laughing. He almost cried.

It's a given that Khan will continue ducking Brook, Spence, Thurman, Porter, Crawford, and even Garcia -- so if Floyd was ducking Khan to fight Berto??? ... Not cool man... I hope you get the Conor McGregor fight Floyd... That's Evel Knievel and "The Snake River Canyon Jump" all over again.
KiwiRider
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Re: Boxing is WAY Better Without Floyd Mayweather

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Floyd enjoys the attention too much to just disappear. He's like herpes, just when you think it's gone, it comes back.
I was backing Spence this weekend until Floyd out his arm around him and said he will be the next money weather, now I want Brook to waste him :box:
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Re: Boxing is WAY Better Without Floyd Mayweather

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Spot on
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Re: Boxing is WAY Better Without Floyd Mayweather

Post by Kalan »

Floyd is going to be around Boxing for the next 30 to 50 years or more -- like Bob Arum and Don King both stink bad, but won't go away -- so get used to him.

Spence shouldn't be subjected to hateful statements or ill will because he's close to Floyd. Errol already beat the crap out of Floyd, but was diplomatic about it. Reporter.., "What were your sparring sessions with Floyd Mayweather like?" --- Errol.., "They gave me a lot of confidence."
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