Floyd Mayweather Offers to Train Anthony Joshua!

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Lackeos wrote:Mayweather definitely can't train Joshua to KO Wlad in 3. Mayweather almost never wins any fight by KO. Mayweather's only KO in his last 10 fights was hitting Ortiz while timeout was called. Mayweather might be able to improve some of Joshua's mechanics, but there's also a risk that Mayweather could make Joshua unnecessarily super cautious and defensive.
Yeah... if he can't enhance what Joshua already knows and way of fighting, then he will damage this man's current progress, IMO.

If he tries to implement a new style in Joshua, it would be a huge mistake.
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A guy Floyd could really help out massively is his own countryman, Dominic Breazeale...

The former strong armed quarterback has a lot of physical gifts: athleticism, height, weight, reach, chin, natural power, and he's not stupid. There's raw material to work with. With the sh!t advisers, coaches, trainers, and other help Breazeale has received he's gone nowhere in 7 or 8 years when he started amateur and now going on 5 years as a pro. He's had 1 World Title shot but looks like he started boxing 6 months ago.

First he needs far better nutrition and a far better strength training and conditioning model.. He looks like sh!t.. Then he needs a stance, some balance, some footwork, a jab, a straight right, and a left hook.. He needs to close a million holes in his defense.. He has no basic skills.. He's nothing but a crude brawler.. He uses his size, strength, toughness, and grit to walk through punches and overpower shorter, smaller, weaker and very poorly skilled opponents..
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lazboy wrote:
Kalan wrote:Lazboy, you just aren't making any sense at all... Top Heavy??? Look how powerful AJ's legs are.. He's not top heavy.. Can't do the shoulder roll???? Look how easily and fluidly Joshua ducked under Klitschko's punches, particularly his left hooks which slammed into that immobile oaf, Kubrat Pulev.. The slowpoke Pulev can't get away from a punch to save his life.. Toney was nothing but a fat blob of blubber, so whenever he ducked under a punch as a Heavyweight he was crunching some of his fat.. I don't think you can get your brain around the fact that Joshua is just as fluid and as fast as anyone out there.. Joshua won the Super Stars Competition and blew everyone else away in the sprints... He's got very fast feet so turning people or spinning out is not a problem for him.. Joe Frazier and Ken Norton did miserably in the Super Stars Competition and got last place.. Both very uncoordinated and unadaptable to various sports and events where you need all-round flexibility and athletic skills. No wonder they got punched out a few times.
I do agree he was ducking well against the left hooks, however rarely they came. They did though came from a fair distance, which is far easier to see then a short hook. As for your comments about Joshua being fluid. Wlad Klitschko, a fighter who has been named robotic and so and so has looked far more fluid with his movement and jab around the ring in his career than Joshua has looked so far. I appreciate Joshua has fast explosive hands, his body and feet are yet to catch up them.
Oh brother!!! Josh wasn't only ducking big hooks he was shedding short hooks as well, and slipping jabs easily.. NOBODY called Wlad robotic after Steward had him a couple years.. The man had great foot speed and finesse.. Joshua's feet are faster than Klitschko's and match his hand speed.. He moves his body and rolls punches very well.. He rolled under a very short right hand and rolled up with a left hook counterpunch in a flash, followed but a massive uppercut. That's something you've never seen Muhammad Ali do. He didn't get under punches well, pulled back a lot, hid behind his gloves a lot and tried to block everything.. It's obvious you don't see very well.

Here some of the conditioning Joshua goes through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1HydHBjJeo He starts camp in tremendous condition and just gets in ever better shape as camp progresses... Whereas lazy Hatton types like Ali, Frazier, and Foreman would come into camp 50 pounds overweight and were sometimes still globbulously fat on fight night.
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Kalan wrote:
lazboy wrote:
Kalan wrote:Lazboy, you just aren't making any sense at all... Top Heavy??? Look how powerful AJ's legs are.. He's not top heavy.. Can't do the shoulder roll???? Look how easily and fluidly Joshua ducked under Klitschko's punches, particularly his left hooks which slammed into that immobile oaf, Kubrat Pulev.. The slowpoke Pulev can't get away from a punch to save his life.. Toney was nothing but a fat blob of blubber, so whenever he ducked under a punch as a Heavyweight he was crunching some of his fat.. I don't think you can get your brain around the fact that Joshua is just as fluid and as fast as anyone out there.. Joshua won the Super Stars Competition and blew everyone else away in the sprints... He's got very fast feet so turning people or spinning out is not a problem for him.. Joe Frazier and Ken Norton did miserably in the Super Stars Competition and got last place.. Both very uncoordinated and unadaptable to various sports and events where you need all-round flexibility and athletic skills. No wonder they got punched out a few times.
I do agree he was ducking well against the left hooks, however rarely they came. They did though came from a fair distance, which is far easier to see then a short hook. As for your comments about Joshua being fluid. Wlad Klitschko, a fighter who has been named robotic and so and so has looked far more fluid with his movement and jab around the ring in his career than Joshua has looked so far. I appreciate Joshua has fast explosive hands, his body and feet are yet to catch up them.
Oh brother!!! Josh wasn't only ducking big hooks he was shedding short hooks as well, and slipping jabs easily.. NOBODY called Wlad robotic after Steward had him a couple years.. The man had great foot speed and finesse.. Joshua's feet are faster than Klitschko's and match his hand speed.. He moves his body and rolls punches very well.. He rolled under a very short right hand and rolled up with a left hook counterpunch in a flash, followed but a massive uppercut. That's something you've never seen Muhammad Ali do. He didn't get under punches well, pulled back a lot, hid behind his gloves a lot and tried to block everything.. It's obvious you don't see very well.

Here some of the conditioning Joshua goes through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1HydHBjJeo He starts camp in tremendous condition and just gets in ever better shape as camp progresses... Whereas lazy Hatton types like Ali, Frazier, and Foreman would come into camp 50 pounds overweight and were sometimes still globbulously fat on fight night.
Some i agree with....some on the other hand, oh brother.
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It's only oh brother because because you know it's true -- and it destroys those biased sour grapes myths Americans love to believe in. Like the Heavyweight Division was only good when Americans ruled the world.. Anthony Joshua is a muscle bound freak who can't get out of his own way.. and the Klitschkos were robotic automatons who only ruled because the division has been an utter wasteland for 20 years.
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Kalan wrote:It's only oh brother because because you know it's true -- and it destroys those biased sour grapes myths Americans love to believe in. Like the Heavyweight Division was only good when Americans ruled the world.. Anthony Joshua is a muscle bound freak who can't get out of his own way.. and the Klitschkos were robotic automatons who only ruled because the division has been an utter wasteland for 20 years.
I'm not American and I think AJ is the best HW in the world right now but he's not perfect. I feel you exaggerate, which I can't respect. Shame on me for trying to have a conversation with you.
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Enlightened-One wrote:Mayweather’s kind offer
really? i read it as floyd's way to get
into business with the big rising star
in boxing.
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man wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:Mayweather’s kind offer
really? i read it as floyd's way to get
into business with the big rising star
in boxing.
I watched the video where he said these words. Fighters like Chris Eubank Jr. often trains at the Mayweather gym without having any commercial relationship with them.
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If it's the video where they are both at some kind of signing and photo gig, and floyds wearing the horrendous double denim with white patches... then the "offer" was very much spur of the moment, flimsy conversation type thing imo

If it's not that video then I'll shut up
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lazboy wrote:
Kalan wrote:It's only oh brother because because you know it's true -- and it destroys those biased sour grapes myths Americans love to believe in. Like the Heavyweight Division was only good when Americans ruled the world.. Anthony Joshua is a muscle bound freak who can't get out of his own way.. and the Klitschkos were robotic automatons who only ruled because the division has been an utter wasteland for 20 years.
I'm not American and I think AJ is the best HW in the world right now but he's not perfect. I feel you exaggerate, which I can't respect. Shame on me for trying to have a conversation with you.
Many non-American buy into American culture and American popular opinion on any number of subjects.. I'm an American and have seen this happen..

I would like to know what my exaggeration is... You said, "With his current physique. Turning people with footwork, like a James Toney (one of my favourites) and like Lomachenko is doing, how could Joshua do that. Also, the shouder roll, also a Toney and Mayweather favourite, find it difficult to see Joshua doing that because he is so top heavy ... it would be great to be trained by the Mayweathers but there are complicating factors, plus AJs body could be a issue IMO."

I believe I've discredited, with my arguments and video, the idea that Joshua can't roll punches or move his feet very well or the idea that he's top heavy. I never said Joshua is perfect..He's a damned good and extremely dedicated Heavyweight boxer and puncher who's in a commanding world position.

If anything has been exaggerated it's myths of Muhammad Ali and the "Golden era" ... If you lived back in that day you would remember Ali for being ridiculed and lambasted for fighting guys like Rudi Lubbers, Jurgin Blinn, Alfredo Evangelista, Jean Pierre Coopman, Brian London, Leon Spinks, Chuck Wepner, and other patsies to pad his record up.. Joe Frazier was criticized for fighting Terry Daniels, Dave Zyglewitz, Ron Stander, Manuel Ramos, and other low caliber fighters.. George Foreman's first Title Defense was versus Joe Roman -- an extremely exploitative mismatch.

If you lived and fought in that day you knew the streets weren't lined with gold and the top guys were eminently hittable and beatable – which is something George Foreman recently alluded to when he admitted today’s Heavyweights are just as good as those of the past.. It’s kind of funny that 90% of Olympic Records and World Records get smashed every generation in every sport, but Boxing is the only sport that supposedly gets worse as athletes get better - just because America no longer dominates as it did.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
man wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:Mayweather’s kind offer
really? i read it as floyd's way to get
into business with the big rising star
in boxing.
I watched the video where he said these words. Fighters like Chris Eubank Jr. often trains at the Mayweather gym without having any commercial relationship with them.
i have this reflex when anything positive
is said about floyd's life outside his own
career.
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