My take on Spence

[Jip]

Spence has been portrayed as the future of ww, some say even the future p4p #1 in boxing. The future at ww he can be, but as far as the p4p topspot goes, no, he is to limited. Brook is a good counter puncher, spence lost many rounds not being able to handles brook good counterpunching and good speed. Take a guy like lara, he aint good in terms of counterpunching, reflexes & speed, he is exceptional in those categorys and spence would get picked apart. Would it be boring á la lara/canelo, maybe, but lara would be effective. When floyd does it, it is called masterful technique. When lara is doing the exact same thing, it is called boring. Truth is, both floyd & lara are boring and both are masterful technicians who would beat spence. But, not everything is about winning, i focus more on action and spence brings action. I just hope that thurman/spence happens asap and this time thurman doesnt dance around like a pus÷/$.y when he fought danny. It's on!!!

[Best Coast]

IMO Spence would do OK vs Lara but he needs to unify at 147 like he said. He's not a P4P fighter yet but this was his first real test and he passed it well after a rough start. I think eventually that Errol will be a 3-weight world champ: 147, 154 and eventually 160 (especially if he moves up slowly with natural weight gain in his early 30s).

Losing those early rounds could turn out to be a good learning experience for Spence. He was in against a vastly more experienced fighter with 27,000 hometown fans behind him and only gave himself a B-minus for the fight as a whole.

Spence's finish was impressive and he removed doubts about how he would do in the championship rounds with good stamina down the stretch.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

His stamina was never a concern.

[Best Coast]

His stamina was never a concern.

I watched the prefight & bout on a British livestream and the commentators were blathering about it before and during the fight!!

Wishful thinking on their part...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

His stamina was never a concern.

I watched the prefight & bout on a British livestream and the commentators were blathering about it before and during the fight!!

They did here too. I was speaking more personally. I've a friend that used to be in the same gym and he said nobody can keep up with him there. Seems to be seconded by anyone that trains with him.

[SFW]

I honestly have no idea how anyone could say Brook was even close to winning. He got raked to the body, jabbed clean, every round. He might have EARNED 3 rounds 4 max, and those would be barely. Errol, even as green as he was, beat the shit out of him. But, people see what they want to see sometimes.

[SFW]

His stamina was never a concern.

I watched the prefight & bout on a British livestream and the commentators were blathering about it before and during the fight!!

They did here too. I was speaking more personally. I've a friend that used to be in the same gym and he said nobody can keep up with him there. Seems to be seconded by anyone that trains with him.

Which gym, Maple Ave?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I watched the prefight & bout on a British livestream and the commentators were blathering about it before and during the fight!!

They did here too. I was speaking more personally. I've a friend that used to be in the same gym and he said nobody can keep up with him there. Seems to be seconded by anyone that trains with him.

Which gym, Maple Ave?

Not sure, it was back in the amateur days before I moved to Dallas.

[Counter-puncher]

Spence has been portrayed as the future of ww, some say even the future p4p #1 in boxing. The future at ww he can be, but as far as the p4p topspot goes, no, he is to limited. Brook is a good counter puncher, spence lost many rounds not being able to handles brook good counterpunching and good speed. Take a guy like lara, he aint good in terms of counterpunching, reflexes & speed, he is exceptional in those categorys and spence would get picked apart. Would it be boring á la lara/canelo, maybe, but lara would be effective. When floyd does it, it is called masterful technique. When lara is doing the exact same thing, it is called boring. Truth is, both floyd & lara are boring and both are masterful technicians who would beat spence. But, not everything is about winning, i focus more on action and spence brings action. I just hope that thurman/spence happens asap and this time thurman doesnt dance around like a pus÷/$.y when he fought danny. It's on!!!

Dude you just titled an OP my take on Spence, and you hardly mention him just dribble onto your keyboard about, what? Lara? Floyd? Wtf is the point of your post?

[SFW]

They did here too. I was speaking more personally. I've a friend that used to be in the same gym and he said nobody can keep up with him there. Seems to be seconded by anyone that trains with him.

Which gym, Maple Ave?

Not sure, it was back in the amateur days before I moved to Dallas.

F'sho.. I'm in Dallas, worked out years ago with one of his old gym mates might have been a sparring partner can't remember.

[Jip]

IMO Spence would do OK vs Lara but he needs to unify at 147 like he said. He's not a P4P fighter yet but this was his first real test and he passed it well after a rough start. I think eventually that Errol will be a 3-weight world champ: 147, 154 and eventually 160 (especially if he moves up slowly with natural weight gain in his early 30s).

Losing those early rounds could turn out to be a good learning experience for Spence. He was in against a vastly more experienced fighter with 27,000 hometown fans behind him and only gave himself a B-minus for the fight as a whole.

Spence's finish was impressive and he removed doubts about how he would do in the championship rounds with good stamina down the stretch.

I get your point. But some things you are born with. Spence is born with power. Lara is born with exceptional athletiscm, reflexes and overall mobility. In terms of footwork and upperbody movemant lara is atg. U cant learn that, either u have or u dont. Lara has it, not spence.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

IMO Spence would do OK vs Lara but he needs to unify at 147 like he said. He's not a P4P fighter yet but this was his first real test and he passed it well after a rough start. I think eventually that Errol will be a 3-weight world champ: 147, 154 and eventually 160 (especially if he moves up slowly with natural weight gain in his early 30s).

Losing those early rounds could turn out to be a good learning experience for Spence. He was in against a vastly more experienced fighter with 27,000 hometown fans behind him and only gave himself a B-minus for the fight as a whole.

Spence's finish was impressive and he removed doubts about how he would do in the championship rounds with good stamina down the stretch.

I get your point. But some things you are born with. Spence is born with power. Lara is born with exceptional athletiscm, reflexes and overall mobility. In terms of footwork and upperbody movemant lara is atg. U cant learn that, either u have or u dont. Lara has it, not spence.

He would destroy Lara, and I'm one of Lara's few fans. Spence has footwork outside of your expert eye. Cutting off the ring as well as he does is as much footwork as dancing around. Lara's first Ko loss.

[Jip]

Spence has been portrayed as the future of ww, some say even the future p4p #1 in boxing. The future at ww he can be, but as far as the p4p topspot goes, no, he is to limited. Brook is a good counter puncher, spence lost many rounds not being able to handles brook good counterpunching and good speed. Take a guy like lara, he aint good in terms of counterpunching, reflexes & speed, he is exceptional in those categorys and spence would get picked apart. Would it be boring á la lara/canelo, maybe, but lara would be effective. When floyd does it, it is called masterful technique. When lara is doing the exact same thing, it is called boring. Truth is, both floyd & lara are boring and both are masterful technicians who would beat spence. But, not everything is about winning, i focus more on action and spence brings action. I just hope that thurman/spence happens asap and this time thurman doesnt dance around like a pus÷/$.y when he fought danny. It's on!!!

Dude you just titled an OP my take on Spence, and you hardly mention him just dribble onto your keyboard about, what? Lara? Floyd? Wtf is the point of your post?

My point is that he is good, but limited. That he can be or already is the best ww, but doesnt have what it takes to ever become p4p #1. He is a not a+. Thats my point.

[lazboy]

Spence has been portrayed as the future of ww, some say even the future p4p #1 in boxing. The future at ww he can be, but as far as the p4p topspot goes, no, he is to limited. Brook is a good counter puncher, spence lost many rounds not being able to handles brook good counterpunching and good speed. Take a guy like lara, he aint good in terms of counterpunching, reflexes & speed, he is exceptional in those categorys and spence would get picked apart. Would it be boring á la lara/canelo, maybe, but lara would be effective. When floyd does it, it is called masterful technique. When lara is doing the exact same thing, it is called boring. Truth is, both floyd & lara are boring and both are masterful technicians who would beat spence. But, not everything is about winning, i focus more on action and spence brings action. I just hope that thurman/spence happens asap and this time thurman doesnt dance around like a pus÷/$.y when he fought danny. It's on!!!

Dude you just titled an OP my take on Spence, and you hardly mention him just dribble onto your keyboard about, what? Lara? Floyd? Wtf is the point of your post?

My point is that he is good, but limited. That he can be or already is the best ww, but doesnt have what it takes to ever become p4p #1. He is a not a+. Thats my point.

I think is was a game plan error more on Spence's part rather than a lack of ability. He showed he could grind it out in close, take and trade shots. Wrong thing to do with Brook but Spence showed he's not one dimensional and can take a punch. Lot of pressure for Spence to get a KD when maybe he could have boxed a bit better and boxed in general early on. Good learning fight for him. He is pound for pound material. Brook is not an easy opponent.

[Ossyrules]

I honestly have no idea how anyone could say Brook was even close to winning. He got raked to the body, jabbed clean, every round. He might have EARNED 3 rounds 4 max, and those would be barely. Errol, even as green as he was, beat the poo out of him. But, people see what they want to see sometimes.

He wasn't close to winning, but he had his success at times during the fight. After 7 brook visibly just went right off. Volume and power fell off the cliff, I'm not sure if he was trying to take a rest, was feeling the pace or the body attack was starting to catch up with him. Eddie Hearn said he broke his eye socket in 7.

Anyway up to that point the fight was in the balance. After that it was all spence and he put it on him big. Spence fought a great fight, showed a lot of qualities to be a big champion in the division. It'll take a big fight to beat him based on what I've seen tonight

Props to the better man

[Kalan]

Spence has been portrayed as the future of ww, some say even the future p4p #1 in boxing. The future at ww he can be, but as far as the p4p topspot goes, no, he is to limited. Brook is a good counter puncher, spence lost many rounds not being able to handles brook good counterpunching and good speed. Take a guy like lara, he aint good in terms of counterpunching, reflexes & speed, he is exceptional in those categorys and spence would get picked apart. Would it be boring á la lara/canelo, maybe, but lara would be effective. When floyd does it, it is called masterful technique. When lara is doing the exact same thing, it is called boring. Truth is, both floyd & lara are boring and both are masterful technicians who would beat spence. But, not everything is about winning, i focus more on action and spence brings action. I just hope that thurman/spence happens asap and this time thurman doesnt dance around like a pus÷/$.y when he fought danny. It's on!!!

Be truthful... Your take on Spence was that he would lose the fight. Mine was that he'd win it... Your take on Canelo-Chavez was Chavez was going to win and I told you you were out of your mind to go with Chavez -- at least this was a competitive fight.. You said were going to make up for that one-sided mismatch where nobody thought Chavez could win buy picking the correct winner today. You didn't. Spence will get on Lara when that fight is made and beat the fuhk out of him -- just like he did to Floyd in sparring.. Errol had to ease up on Floyd because he was beating him up badly.

Thurman is not going to be ready for a while... It's a cinch that Bradley, Khan, and Pacquiao want no part of Spence and would get their asses torn off... And it's also a cinch that they're not going to fight Spence... Maybe Danny Garcia will -- LOL I don't think he wants any part of Spence either.

[Gimp Mask]

Thurman would beat Spence at this current stage. With time, Spence will be better though.

[SFW]

I honestly have no idea how anyone could say Brook was even close to winning. He got raked to the body, jabbed clean, every round. He might have EARNED 3 rounds 4 max, and those would be barely. Errol, even as green as he was, beat the poo out of him. But, people see what they want to see sometimes.

He wasn't close to winning, but he had his success at times during the fight. After 7 brook visibly just went right off. Volume and power fell off the cliff, I'm not sure if he was trying to take a rest, was feeling the pace or the body attack was starting to catch up with him. Eddie Hearn said he broke his eye socket in 7.

Anyway up to that point the fight was in the balance. After that it was all spence and he put it on him big. Spence fought a great fight, showed a lot of qualities to be a big champion in the division. It'll take a big fight to beat him based on what I've seen tonight

Props to the better man

Well said, your on point.

I think obviously the weight played on his mind, the bodywork slowed him down and sapped his strength, he wasn't able to bully Spence inside, and he was getting caught clean by a genuine puncher. I also suspect his right hand wasn't 100%, 2 eyes getting cracked one just newly broken and fixed. Kell had too much to overcome, Spence was too hungry. I can't believe Kell got through that round he looked so done. Massive heart.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I had it 3-2 brook and then Spence sweeping things, but the rounds were extremely close until the second half.

[fightseer]

Jip, you like to pop off like you are the keeper of some knowledge and you seem to get it wrong more then not. Spence is still developing and today was a learning experience. Lara is talented but he clearly is beatable. In any case I don't think Spence is going up to 154 until he attempts to unify the belts. Lara is not getting any younger so by the time they could face Lara might be on the inevitable downward slide.

[Kalan]

The fight went almost as I envisioned it.. Basically Brook doing well through 6 and Spence taking over with his youth and power..

This young group of Welterweights is sorting it out on their own with no help from the previous generation.. Brook, Thurman, Porter, Spence, and Garcia never had any interaction with Pacquiao, Bradley, Khan, Floyd, or Maidana---with the exception of the Garcia-Khan fight... Khan made a grievous error in misjudging a newcomer rather than bravely stepping up to fight a deadly puncher.

[G.McClellan]

I honestly have no idea how anyone could say Brook was even close to winning. He got raked to the body, jabbed clean, every round. He might have EARNED 3 rounds 4 max, and those would be barely. Errol, even as green as he was, beat the poo out of him. But, people see what they want to see sometimes.

He wasn't close to winning, but he had his success at times during the fight. After 7 brook visibly just went right off. Volume and power fell off the cliff, I'm not sure if he was trying to take a rest, was feeling the pace or the body attack was starting to catch up with him. Eddie Hearn said he broke his eye socket in 7.

Anyway up to that point the fight was in the balance. After that it was all spence and he put it on him big. Spence fought a great fight, showed a lot of qualities to be a big champion in the division. It'll take a big fight to beat him based on what I've seen tonight

Props to the better man

I agree wholeheartedly with your take on Spence and the fight.

I would add Spence is total class, in and out of the ring.

[G.McClellan]

I honestly have no idea how anyone could say Brook was even close to winning. He got raked to the body, jabbed clean, every round. He might have EARNED 3 rounds 4 max, and those would be barely. Errol, even as green as he was, beat the poo out of him. But, people see what they want to see sometimes.

He wasn't close to winning, but he had his success at times during the fight. After 7 brook visibly just went right off. Volume and power fell off the cliff, I'm not sure if he was trying to take a rest, was feeling the pace or the body attack was starting to catch up with him. Eddie Hearn said he broke his eye socket in 7.

Anyway up to that point the fight was in the balance. After that it was all spence and he put it on him big. Spence fought a great fight, showed a lot of qualities to be a big champion in the division. It'll take a big fight to beat him based on what I've seen tonight

Props to the better man

Well said, your on point.

I think obviously the weight played on his mind, the bodywork slowed him down and sapped his strength, he wasn't able to bully Spence inside, and he was getting caught clean by a genuine puncher. I also suspect his right hand wasn't 100%, 2 eyes getting cracked one just newly broken and fixed. Kell had too much to overcome, Spence was too hungry. I can't believe Kell got through that round he looked so done. Massive heart.

The injuries Brook suffered in the Golovkin fight, were a factor. Spence said in an interview prior to the fight, he was surprised Brook was taking the fight given the nature of the injuries he sustained.

Brook showed tremendous heart to fire back in the manner he did. Despite being virtually out on his feet.
The heart and will of a champion.

[Badhusker]

Spence has been portrayed as the future of ww, some say even the future p4p #1 in boxing. The future at ww he can be, but as far as the p4p topspot goes, no, he is to limited. Brook is a good counter puncher, spence lost many rounds not being able to handles brook good counterpunching and good speed. Take a guy like lara, he aint good in terms of counterpunching, reflexes & speed, he is exceptional in those categorys and spence would get picked apart. Would it be boring á la lara/canelo, maybe, but lara would be effective. When floyd does it, it is called masterful technique. When lara is doing the exact same thing, it is called boring. Truth is, both floyd & lara are boring and both are masterful technicians who would beat spence. But, not everything is about winning, i focus more on action and spence brings action. I just hope that thurman/spence happens asap and this time thurman doesnt dance around like a pus÷/$.y when he fought danny. It's on!!!

Be truthful... Your take on Spence was that he would lose the fight. Mine was that he'd win it... Your take on Canelo-Chavez was Chavez was going to win and I told you you were out of your mind to go with Chavez -- at least this was a competitive fight.. You said were going to make up for that one-sided mismatch where nobody thought Chavez could win buy picking the correct winner today. You didn't. Spence will get on Lara when that fight is made and beat the fuhk out of him -- just like he did to Floyd in sparring.. Errol had to ease up on Floyd because he was beating him up badly.

Thurman is not going to be ready for a while... It's a cinch that Bradley, Khan, and Pacquiao want no part of Spence and would get their asses torn off... And it's also a cinch that they're not going to fight Spence... Maybe Danny Garcia will -- LOL I don't think he wants any part of Spence either.

I remember an interview with Spence after sparring with Floyd. Spence said he gave Floyd too much respect at first, and was getting totally schooled by Floyd. He said once he got going and quit giving him so much respect, he held his own and gave Floyd some real good work. But beat the fuk out of him? Vs Broner yes, but doubt Floyd. I believe he may have got the best of him in exchanges, but after all it is sparring. No where have I heard or read that other than from you, so I will take that with a grain of salt. He did say he admires Floyd like no other for his work ethic, that he trains like he is poor or broke. Sounds like they have that in common.