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[dagosd2000]

I needed a good barn-burner to watch after those two Joe Bugner fights - despite the fact that these were two of Joe's better fights - and I got it with the 10 rounder between 'Irish' Art Hafey and Rodolfo Moreno. Wow! It really starts to heat up towards the end of the third and it is warfare after that with both fighters sustaining severe facial damage. If you don't want to score, then don't. Just sit back and enjoy this one. California scoring.

Round 1: Moreno
Round 2: Even (no points)
Round 3: Hafey
Round 4: Moreno (scores a knockdown - 2 points)
Round 5: Hafey
Round 6: Hafey
Round 7: Hafey
Round 8: Hafey (great round - neither fighter could see and they just winged them)
Round 9: Hafey
Round 10: Hafey scores a KO and he does it brutally

Total through 9 completed rounds: 6-3 Hafey on the points system

I once read an article on Hafey where he said something like, "people think the Danny Lopez fight ruined me, but it was the Rodolfo Moreno fight that ruined me. I was rushed into this fight after having an hernia operation and the swelling on my left eye partially ruined my vision permanently. It is no better or worse since the Moreno fight back in '76. I should have gone to the hospital, but instead, my manager took me to a party."

Scary stuff.

Dan,can't help commenting on this. Burke Emery was handling Hafey after Suey Welch passed.Art had nothing but good things to say about Burke as a trainer,but he mishandled Art when he was his manager.Takes Hafey to a party.That's Burke.I don't think Hafey ever drank

BTW.Saw the Gomez fight in TJ.(Burke shouldn't have taken him down there)I thought Art won.

[scartissue]

I needed a good barn-burner to watch after those two Joe Bugner fights - despite the fact that these were two of Joe's better fights - and I got it with the 10 rounder between 'Irish' Art Hafey and Rodolfo Moreno. Wow! It really starts to heat up towards the end of the third and it is warfare after that with both fighters sustaining severe facial damage. If you don't want to score, then don't. Just sit back and enjoy this one. California scoring.

Round 1: Moreno
Round 2: Even (no points)
Round 3: Hafey
Round 4: Moreno (scores a knockdown - 2 points)
Round 5: Hafey
Round 6: Hafey
Round 7: Hafey
Round 8: Hafey (great round - neither fighter could see and they just winged them)
Round 9: Hafey
Round 10: Hafey scores a KO and he does it brutally

Total through 9 completed rounds: 6-3 Hafey on the points system

I once read an article on Hafey where he said something like, "people think the Danny Lopez fight ruined me, but it was the Rodolfo Moreno fight that ruined me. I was rushed into this fight after having an hernia operation and the swelling on my left eye partially ruined my vision permanently. It is no better or worse since the Moreno fight back in '76. I should have gone to the hospital, but instead, my manager took me to a party."

Scary stuff.

Dan,can't help commenting on this. Burke Emery was handling Hafey after Suey Welch passed.Art had nothing but good things to say about Burke as a trainer,but he mishandled Art when he was his manager.Takes Hafey to a party.That's Burke.I don't think Hafey ever drank

BTW.Saw the Gomez fight in TJ.(Burke shouldn't have taken him down there)I thought Art won.

Rog, you were there for that fight? Oh, man, the atmosphere had to be electric, albeit, probably very one-sided. Remember Rudy Rodriguez (Rudy-Rooter - God rest him)? Well he too was there for that fight and he too thought Art won. But he also added that Art was never going to get that decision in TJ. I should also mention that Burke just kept lining fights up for Art and Art said, "he was killing me. I needed to prepare for the Danny Lopez fight and he just kept sticking me back in the ring. I finally had to insist on a rest period to prepare for the fight." He also mentioned he and Bobby Chacon beat the daylights out of each other in the gym on a regular basis. It's no wonder he was done-like-dinner at the age of 25.

[Ambling Alp II]

Pardon a second Joe Bugner fight, but as long as it was in my head I wanted to check out Bug's fight with Ron Lyle. Saw it back in the day and I was lucky watching it as an entire show back then, because the first fight was one of my all-time favorites Armando Muniz fighting a 10 rounder against Antonio Leyva. And Muniz knocked Leyva kicking in the 1st round with two beautiful left hooks. Anyways, here we go. Ron Lyle against Joe Bugner, 5 point must system employed in Las Vegas.

Round 1: 5-4 Lyle
Round 2: 5-4 Lyle
Round 3: 5-4 Lyle
Round 4: 5-5 Even
Round 5: 5-4 Bugner
Round 6: 5-4 Bugner
Round 7: 5-4 Lyle
Round 8: 5-5 Even
Round 9: 5-4 Bugner
Round 10: 5-4 Lyle
Round 11: 5-4 Lyle
Round 12: 5-5 Even

Total: 57-54 Lyle

I just felt Lyle was the sharper hitter throughout although Joe had his moments. Officially, it was a split win for Ron and they utilized the novelty of posting their scores between rounds as well.

I scored the fight for Lyle as well as you (and the judges). Lyle surprisingly came on strong in the last few rounds to pull it out. It was a pretty good scrap..

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Pardon a second Joe Bugner fight, but as long as it was in my head I wanted to check out Bug's fight with Ron Lyle. Saw it back in the day and I was lucky watching it as an entire show back then, because the first fight was one of my all-time favorites Armando Muniz fighting a 10 rounder against Antonio Leyva. And Muniz knocked Leyva kicking in the 1st round with two beautiful left hooks. Anyways, here we go. Ron Lyle against Joe Bugner, 5 point must system employed in Las Vegas.

Round 1: 5-4 Lyle
Round 2: 5-4 Lyle
Round 3: 5-4 Lyle
Round 4: 5-5 Even
Round 5: 5-4 Bugner
Round 6: 5-4 Bugner
Round 7: 5-4 Lyle
Round 8: 5-5 Even
Round 9: 5-4 Bugner
Round 10: 5-4 Lyle
Round 11: 5-4 Lyle
Round 12: 5-5 Even

Total: 57-54 Lyle

I just felt Lyle was the sharper hitter throughout although Joe had his moments. Officially, it was a split win for Ron and they utilized the novelty of posting their scores between rounds as well.

I scored the fight for Lyle as well as you (and the judges). Lyle surprisingly came on strong in the last few rounds to pull it out. It was a pretty good scrap..

Alp, I agree, it wasn't too shabby. Incidentally, Lyle was trying his best to meet Ken norton on this card. For whatever reason Ken either didn't sign or pulled out. I just don't know. But I think Ron may have actually sued over this as well. He really wanted Ken but got Joe. I think this was smart on Ken's part. I think Ron was all wrong for Ken. I really think Ron would have taken out Ken even at this stage of the game.

[dagosd2000]

Dan,can't help commenting on this. Burke Emery was handling Hafey after Suey Welch passed.Art had nothing but good things to say about Burke as a trainer,but he mishandled Art when he was his manager.Takes Hafey to a party.That's Burke.I don't think Hafey ever drank

BTW.Saw the Gomez fight in TJ.(Burke shouldn't have taken him down there)I thought Art won.

Rog, you were there for that fight? Oh, man, the atmosphere had to be electric, albeit, probably very one-sided. Remember Rudy Rodriguez (Rudy-Rooter - God rest him)? Well he too was there for that fight and he too thought Art won. But he also added that Art was never going to get that decision in TJ. I should also mention that Burke just kept lining fights up for Art and Art said, "he was killing me. I needed to prepare for the Danny Lopez fight and he just kept sticking me back in the ring. I finally had to insist on a rest period to prepare for the fight." He also mentioned he and Bobby Chacon beat the daylights out of each other in the gym on a regular basis. It's no wonder he was done-like-dinner at the age of 25.

Dan,When I was into the fights down here in San Diego Sid Flaherty and Burke Emery handled fighters together,sometimes separately. They had this thing for burning guys out. Sid burned out Ronnie Wilson.Sid also had Denny Moyer,yet at that time Moyer was only fighting for a paycheck. Ronnie Wilson unfortunately came along when Bob Foster was the champ. He also cut very easily. Sid seemed to have him fighting every week. The kid's cuts never healed properly.Burke was the same way with Hafey. Hafey near the end of career suffering from some heredity nerve damage that the commission docs didn't know about,but burke did. That night in TJ was, like you say, full of electricity.I saw a lot of fights where the deck was stacked against an outsider when he fought a Mexican down there. I saw, with my dad, Sugar Ray Robinson get the shaft against Memo Ayon.A non Mexican opponent would have to knock the other guy out or give him a horrific beating to earn the victory.But sometimes when that happened it didn't mean that the battle was over or won. I saw Davey Moore best Kid Irapuato in the bull ring and Moore had to scamper out of there still wearing his robe,trunks,and gloves.One time at the Jai Alai Palace Hedge Lewis beat the Mexican welter champ Raul Rodriguez.In the audience was Ryan and Jennifer O Neal and an entourage of Hollywood types all behind Lewis.After Lewis sliced him open in two rounds I didn't hear any chants for "Hooray for Hollywood".Those blondies were lucky to get out of there alive.

Back to Hafey for a moment. He should have gotten a title shot in his career. He was very good and I thought he also beat Olivares in the second fight.

[dagosd2000]

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[Tony1244]

Leonard vs Hagler


1. L 10-9
2. L 10-9
3. H 10-9
4. H 10-9
5. E 10-10
6. L 10-9
7. H 10-9
8. L 10-9
9. L 10-9
10. L 10-9
11. H 10-9
12. H 10-9

Leonard 115-144

[dagosd2000]

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[dagosd2000]

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[scartissue]

Wanted to watch a real classic exciting fight today and landed on this bad boy. Ike Ibeabuchi and David Tua. Wow!

Round 1: 10-9 Ike
Round 2: 10-9 Ike
Round 3: 10-9 Ike
Round 4: 10-9 Ike
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Tua
Round 7: 10-9 Tua
Round 8: 10-9 Tua
Round 9: 10-9 Ike
Round 10: 10-9 Tua
Round 11: 10-9 Tua
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total: 115-115 Draw

I think I agreed on only about half of Harold Lederman's card, but one thing we did agree on was that this is a very difficult fight to score. Not so much for the reasons he stated (that with heavy's it is hard to see inside work) but, my reasoning that, do you score for the heavier, eye-catching blows or the consistent ones. You have to find a happy medium for yourself - something no one else can show you. For instance the 9th round that Harold scored for Tua and I gave Ike. I thought Tua did very little that round but threw and landed a couple of haymakers. I was more impressed with the busier Ike and that jab of his, which I feel is one of the best jabs I've seen a heavyweight throw. Hard and pin-point. Anyways, I'm on my soapbox, suffice to say a great fight and I'll bet everyone has a different score on this one. Just a tough fight on the judge, let alone the combatants.

[Seamus]

Orlando Zulueta vs Joey Lopes I

R1.10-9 OZ
R2.10-9 JL
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 OZ
R5.10-9 OZ
R6.10-9 OZ
R7.10-9 JL
R8.10-9 OZ
R9.10-9 OZ
R10.10-10

Orlando Zulueta 98-94

Lopes has an interesting style of often leaping in to throw punches. He also did some solid 2 fisted body work at times, but Zulueta's jab was the deciding factor in this bout. Two guys I'd definitely like to see more of Lopes and his contemporary George Araujo were Cape Verdeans, both with very solid record. Lopes posted wins over Sandy Saddler and Jimmy Carter twice. I love this era and weight class.

[Seamus]

Almost forgot, the judges had it 99-94 96-95 94-97 for Zulueta.

[Seamus]

Sugar Ray Robinson vs Jake LaMotta VI

R1.JL
R2.JL
R3.SRR
R4.SRR
R5.JL
R6.JL
R7.JL
R8.SRR
R9.SRR
R10.SRR
R11.SRR
R12.SRR (2 pt rd for Robinson)

Sugar Ray Robinson W TK0 13

First off, I'm not exactly sure about the scoring system again. At the time of the stoppage I had Robinson ahead 7-5 with the 12th a 2 pt rd, so I'm guessing that would be a 3 pt lead. This was an excellent fight in which LaMotta clearly looked the better man thru the first 7 rds. Robinson, while still displaying good footwork, was just getting hit too easily and also appeared to often be short with his jab. Suddenly the tide turned in the 8th with Robinson coming alive and firing flurries of fast accurate combinations, while LaMotta noticeably slowed down. The 11th was the best rd, with LaMotta staging a rally in the 1st minute in which he hammered Robinson into a corner and looked to have him in trouble. Sugar Ray rallied however and in the last 30 seconds was landing at will. The 12th and 13th were totally one sided, and stopping the fight was a fair decision.

[scartissue]

Seamus, after your post on Zulueta-Lopes I've been checking out a few of those old Madison Square Garden fights which were so prevalent and luckily enough, filmed on those Friday night fights (although my Dad once told me he would watch boxing on Monday, Wednesday and Friday). Anyways, these are true classics and I've been looking at a few of Paolo Rosi and Len Matthews fights. Someone downloaded the 3rd round of Rosi and Matthews and - my God - I would love to see the fight in its entirety. Anyways, I started last night on Matthews-Willie Toweel, but I was just to beat to continue. Looks to be a good one.

[scartissue]

Just watched the entire Len Matthews-Willie Toweel bout. What an excellent fight. Willie Toweel was a nice, fast boxer. In and out with a world class jab and when he got close he wasn't afraid to throw out fast combos or even mix it in close. It was taking a chance because Len Matthews was a destructive puncher. New York's rounds basis which was a seriously flawed system, was employed. Here we go.

Round 1: Toweel
Round 2: Even
Round 3: Toweel
Round 4: Matthews
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Toweel
Round 7: Toweel
Round 8: Matthews (Matthews scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 9: Toweel
Round 10: Matthews

Total: 5-3-2 Toweel

Official scores were 5-4-1 and 6-3-1 for Toweel with the third judge scoring it 5-5. Now, once you have a tied score, only then can you employ the supplemental points for the knockdowns. So the third judge's score now becomes 9-5 for Matthews. Again, a seriously flawed system. Also, Matthews is an interesting case study. Man, he really needed to throw more punches than he did. He made Willie look very good in rounds where he should have been throwing some leather. Good fight though.

[scartissue]

Here was another great little 10 rounder from Madison Square Garden. Carlos Ortiz vs. Paolo Rosi. NY scoring.

Round 1: Ortiz
Round 2: Ortiz (this round went dark at the beginning of the round with audio intact. Video returns with about 2 minutes gone. Dunphy says when the video returns that "Ortiz is having a good round." I thought Ortiz won the last 1/3 of the round and took a leap of faith with Dunphy's opinion on the first 2/3.)
Round 3: Ortiz
Round 4: Ortiz
Round 5: Ortiz
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Rosi
Round 8: Ortiz
Round 9: Rosi (scores a knockdown)
Round 10: Ortiz

Total: 7-2-1 Ortiz

Ortiz rarely used his world class jab in this fight and the two battled it out in the trenches. It really was a study in infighting for 10 rounds. Official scores were 6-3-1, 6-3-1 and 6-4 all for Ortiz. I felt it was a little wider at 7-2-1, but with a trench battle like this, I'll bet every ringsider had a different take.

[scartissue]

Michael Dokes vs. Mike Weaver II

Felt Wever deserved this when I first saw it way back when. Didn't score it was running a tally in my head. Anyways, here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Dokes
Round 2: 10-9 Weaver
Round 3: 10-9 Dokes
Round 4: 10-9 Weaver
Round 5: 10-9 Dokes
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Weaver
Round 8: 10-9 Weaver
Round 9: 10-9 Weaver
Round 10: 10-9 Weaver
Round 11: 10-9 Dokes
Round 12: 10-9 Weaver
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-9 Weaver
Round 15: 10-9 Weaver

Total: 146-141 Weaver

Obviously I still feel Weaver deserved it, but I will say that last five rounds became very sloppy and it's up to the one scoring on whether they see it for the harder puncher or one scoring with a bit more frequency.

[Seamus]

I still remember I had Weaver beating Dokes in the rematch 145-142.

[Seamus]

Bobo Olson vs Randy Turpin

R1.RT
R2.RT
R3.RT
R4.BO
R5.Even
R6.BO
R7.BO
R8.RT
R9.BO (Turpin sunk to the canvas from a right to the jaw on the ropes just before the round ended)
R10.BO (Turpin down from a flurry of headshots)
R11.Even
R12.BO
R13.BO
R14.Even
R15.Even

Bobo Olson 7-4

Had this been on the 10 pt must system my score would have been 146-141 Olson

Good fight with lot's of action. Turpin had Olson hurt twice and Olson had Turpin hurt probably 4 times. Very even bout except for when Olson got Turpin on the ropes, where he landed heavily.

[Seamus]

Emile Griffith vs Luis Manuel Rodriguez III

R1.Even
R2.EG
R3.EG
R4.Even
R5.Even
R6.EG
R7.LR
R8.LR
R9.LR
R10.LR
R11.EG
R12.LR
R13.LR
R14.LR
R15.Even

Luis Manuel Rodriguez 7-4-4

Rodriguez did very little over the first 6 rds, but after that his stamina and frequent 4 punch combos to Griffith's body any time he was in range were the deciding factors in this bout. THis was a split decision that went to Griffith 9-6 8-7 5-10. The AP and UP both had Rodriguez winning 8-6-1 and 17 writers scored it for rodriguez, 6 for Griffith, and one had it even. A bad decision.

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Emile Griffith vs Luis Manuel Rodriguez III

R1.Even
R2.EG
R3.EG
R4.Even
R5.Even
R6.EG
R7.LR
R8.LR
R9.LR
R10.LR
R11.EG
R12.LR
R13.LR
R14.LR
R15.Even

Luis Manuel Rodriguez 7-4-4

Rodriguez did very little over the first 6 rds, but after that his stamina and frequent 4 punch combos to Griffith's body any time he was in range were the deciding factors in this bout. THis was a split decision that went to Griffith 9-6 8-7 5-10. The AP and UP both had Rodriguez winning 8-6-1 and 17 writers scored it for rodriguez, 6 for Griffith, and one had it even. A bad decision.

Seamus, I'm intrigued with this one now. I scored their 4th fight 71-65 for Rodriguez only to see them award it to Griffith. I'll check it out this weekend.

[Seamus]

One of these days check out Khaosai Galaxy's final bout and tell me if you think he won or lost.

[Seamus]

Recently scored both title fights between Jose Napoles and Curtis Cokes and there really wasn't anything to score. I gave Napoles every round in the first bout and in the second I scored the 2nd for Cokes and had the 8th even. Really wasn't impressed with either man. Cokes for a near total lack of offense and Napoles for failing to take advantage of a situation in both fights where very little was coming back his way. Hard to believe in the 1st bout that Cokes was the defending champion.

[scartissue]

Emile Griffith vs Luis Manuel Rodriguez III

R1.Even
R2.EG
R3.EG
R4.Even
R5.Even
R6.EG
R7.LR
R8.LR
R9.LR
R10.LR
R11.EG
R12.LR
R13.LR
R14.LR
R15.Even

Luis Manuel Rodriguez 7-4-4

Rodriguez did very little over the first 6 rds, but after that his stamina and frequent 4 punch combos to Griffith's body any time he was in range were the deciding factors in this bout. THis was a split decision that went to Griffith 9-6 8-7 5-10. The AP and UP both had Rodriguez winning 8-6-1 and 17 writers scored it for rodriguez, 6 for Griffith, and one had it even. A bad decision.

Seamus, thanks for mentioning this one. The clarity was good, but got a bit jumpy late in the fight. Obviously that was what the telecast looked like 50 years ago. But here we go.

Round 1: Rodriguez
Round 2: Griffith
Round 3: Griffith
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Rodriguez
Round 6: Rodriguez
Round 7: Rodriguez
Round 8: Rodriguez
Round 9: Rodriguez
Round 10: Rodriguez
Round 11: Griffith
Round 12: Even
Round 13: Even
Round 14: Rodriguez
Round 15: Even

Total: 8-3-4 Rodriguez

Hate to have 4 even rounds, but they played it tight on the inside. Seamus, we agreed completely on 10 rounds, had a smattering of even rounds and only disagreed on the 6th. Not too bad. Totally agree with you, a bad decision. Like their 4th fight, Rodriguez was simply the busier and I just don't know if they were ignoring Rodriguez' body work, because I didn't and evidently, neither did you.

[scartissue]

One of these days check out Khaosai Galaxy's final bout and tell me if you think he won or lost.

Seamus, I was looking for Galaxy against Armando Castro on youtube and couldn't find it. Do you have a link for it?