Did Brook Disgrace Himself or Preserve Himself?

[Tomasino]

Bizarre personal attacks aside, I'm glad that the poll reflects some sanity in the forum. Kell had every right to quit in the fight and it's now clear he suffered a really bad injury. Hope he makes a good recovery.

[ILikeBeer]

Eubank Jr weighs in on this issue....

Chris Eubank Jr‏ @ChrisEubankJr
How do you just give up your world title with only 2 rounds to go because of a swollen eye? Congratulations Errol Spence.

[Evander]

I'll tell you who slanted themselves, Froch Bellew and some of the Matchroom firm.
I'm all for hype stirring the sh_t and making it interesting, but when you make startlingly obvious false claims when it's right in front of our eyes is complete wank fantasy lets pretend it's real when it isn't not kind of mentality and a bunch of old bollocks in reality is a hard sell.
The fight is actually taking place as we speak and we are all watching it how can you lie so blatantly and tell people something is happening when it isn't.
I listened to Froch, he was right out there in la la land it was embarrassing.
Bellew was a bit more composed on social media afterwards but ffs.
If you're going to be balanced be balanced.

[Evander]

End of the day

Brook will come out of it looking alright, but we have to be responsible and insist on a rest if you know what I mean ... a proper one for Kell.
Kell is mad good I love him and he has helped revitalized boxing, it won't be forgotten.

[big lennox]

I think Kell did the right thing. If it is a choice of going blind or taking a knee, after fighting your heart out for 10.5 rounds, then it is a no brainer. Only a moron would chose to carry on and risk permanent damage to an eye that you don't need to have.

You can't question Kell's courage. He beat Porter away, absolutely took the fight to GGG, and he would have been under tremendous pressure to deliver against Spence in his home city. The bell rang and he got straight down to business and was winning the fight at the half-way stage. The only thing that I noticed, was just how fit his opponent looked down the home stretch, despite being hit with some tremendous shots. Kell looked as tired as you would expect a fighter to look in the late rounds after a high class encounter, but his opponent didn't look tired at all, despite throwing and receiving a similar amount of shots. That said, he wasn't moving around as much and was forcing the pace in the later rounds, rather than reacting to things, which is more tiring.

[Evander]

Notice the body shapes, with Kell it was all around the midriff where his weight was which would always push weight down on the legs ... throw in Spence's body shots and what do you have.
KO 11

[ILikeBeer]

Have any of the "disgrace" voters had their eye sockets broken in a boxing match and gone on to finish the fight?

Happened to me once. I lost a split decision, though I thought I'd done enough to win.

True story. (Apart from the bits that aren't.)

[Stuffs]

In no way disgraced himself.

Fought through the injury as much as was possible. If it comes down to 2 more rounds of boxing for a world title, or going blind, no longer fighting, no longer earning, and and not seeing my kid grow up - which was a very real possibility for Brook - I know what I'd have chose.

He lives to fight another day.

[Bricks]

id argue the fight was dead even (altho brook had given up an early lead) going into the 8th.....it was really the eye injury, the double vision and considerable pain, and kells hangups surrounding it ) which than caused spence's landslide finish the last 3-4 rounds.......spence is a very good fighter but Brook exposed that he is no SRL or ODLH hell he isn't even Crawford....the Americans are desperate....the fact brook was edging Spence the initial 8 rounds will be forgotten and now Spence is hyped to the skies......Id like to see him fight Garica, Thurman, Porter or even Broner before making a more considered judgement......the fact he beat a compromised Brook diminishes the victory a lot in my mind.....he had all he could handle with a 31 year old veteran coming off the worst beating of his career........that is what is forgotton in all this hype about spence.......to me he doesnt look anything more than another Vernon forrest

[coneye]

A lot of the posters who have not been in the ring , can sort of be excused for bagging Kell , not 100% but you can sort of understand , they listen to the hype , they watch mismatches and get used to people being batterd when they were always going to lose , they listen to bullshit about fighters claiming i broke me hand in the 2.nd , when alls they done was sprained it and they want to see some even demand blood because they pay for it ,, whats that religous saying , don't judge them they know not what they do , or some such bollocks

But guys like Bellew , who quit and shit himself before he even got hurt , to come out and be that critical is a different story , they should know better , just because a dimwit like bellow says its brave , eyesight is more important , Bellew , Froch are fighters they should know better

[Stuarty]

Eubank Jr weighs in on this issue....

Chris Eubank Jr‏ @ChrisEubankJr
How do you just give up your world title with only 2 rounds to go because of a swollen eye? Congratulations Errol Spence.

All from the guy who's mess Kell had to clean up because he bottled it from GGG. Guys a fuckin joke

[edb1000]

he certainly didn't disgrace himself.
The fact he was willing to fight at bramall lane tells us all about his bottle. perhaps he should be walking about with a white stick later in life just so people can call him a "warrior " . i would be concerned that both eyes have been smashed in 2 fights that's the real issue here.

[Finn]

Eubank Jr weighs in on this issue....

Chris Eubank Jr‏ @ChrisEubankJr
How do you just give up your world title with only 2 rounds to go because of a swollen eye? Congratulations Errol Spence.

All from the guy who's mess Kell had to clean up because he bottled it from GGG. Guys a fuckin joke

dont know if thats quite fair to say, if brook hadnt been there no doubt hearn would have met more of the the Eubank's demands and the fight would have happended. The Eubank's tried playing hard ball and Hearn had another option so gave them the middle finger. Hearn even said that to me on twitter when i asked him, he said he set a deadline they wanted to mess around so he gave another fighter the option who took it on the terms already outlined.

[samwbr]

A lot of the posters who have not been in the ring , can sort of be excused for bagging Kell , not 100% but you can sort of understand , they listen to the hype , they watch mismatches and get used to people being batterd when they were always going to lose , they listen to bullshit about fighters claiming i broke me hand in the 2.nd , when alls they done was sprained it and they want to see some even demand blood because they pay for it ,, whats that religous saying , don't judge them they know not what they do , or some such bollocks

But guys like Bellew , who quit and poo himself before he even got hurt , to come out and be that critical is a different story , they should know better , just because a dimwit like bellow says its brave , eyesight is more important , Bellew , Froch are fighters they should know better

Did Froch criticise Brook? Bellew Khan and Nelson did. I dont recall Froch calling him a quitter.

[Manchester Hitman]

Honestly some of the nonsense in this thread is hilliarious.i hate questioning professional fighters, and I've been trying to to stay off the forums as I didn't want to come across as a prick but fcuk it - Brook lifted up his skirt and showed us his knickers it's as simple as that. He had a bruised eye, he was knackered and it was all coming on top against a relentless, hard hitting fighter in Spence. As Bellew said, Errol beat the fight out of him, and broke Brooks heart it's as simple as that. He didn't want anymore, he wasnt worried about his eye site - he even said in the post fight it wasn't like the GGG injury. He just had enough, he quit...No mas.

To answer the thread he possibly did both...He voluntarily took a knee infront of his home fans in a fight broadcast across the world and PPV in England so yes he disgraced himself. At the same time, to a lesser extent, like the GGG fight he got out intime before suffering a potentially damaging KO so yes he may have preserved himself.

However, if Hearn is the promoter I think he is he must now be devising a cash out plan. He has got to land Kell that Khan fight next summer at all costs and then Kell can retire on a nice stack of cash. No fights inbetween and a move to light middle could be a disaster..get Khan and get the fcuk out

[PredatorHayds]

Honestly some of the nonsense in this thread is hilliarious.i hate questioning professional fighters, and I've been trying to to stay off the forums as I didn't want to come across as a prick but fcuk it - Brook lifted up his skirt and showed us his knickers it's as simple as that. He had a bruised eye, he was knackered and it was all coming on top against a relentless, hard hitting fighter in Spence. As Bellew said, Errol beat the fight out of him, and broke Brooks heart it's as simple as that. He didn't want anymore, he wasnt worried about his eye site - he even said in the post fight it wasn't like the GGG injury. He just had enough, he quit...No mas.

To answer the thread he possibly did both...He voluntarily took a knee infront of his home fans in a fight broadcast across the world and PPV in England so yes he disgraced himself. At the same time, to a lesser extent, like the GGG fight he got out intime before suffering a potentially damaging KO so yes he may have preserved himself.

However, if Hearn is the promoter I think he is he must now be devising a cash out plan. He has got to land Kell that Khan fight next summer at all costs and then Kell can retire on a nice stack of cash. No fights inbetween and a move to light middle could be a disaster..get Khan and get the fcuk out

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[samwbr]

Honestly some of the nonsense in this thread is hilliarious.i hate questioning professional fighters, and I've been trying to to stay off the forums as I didn't want to come across as a prick but fcuk it - Brook lifted up his skirt and showed us his knickers it's as simple as that. He had a bruised eye, he was knackered and it was all coming on top against a relentless, hard hitting fighter in Spence. As Bellew said, Errol beat the fight out of him, and broke Brooks heart it's as simple as that. He didn't want anymore, he wasnt worried about his eye site - he even said in the post fight it wasn't like the GGG injury. He just had enough, he quit...No mas.

To answer the thread he possibly did both...He voluntarily took a knee infront of his home fans in a fight broadcast across the world and PPV in England so yes he disgraced himself. At the same time, to a lesser extent, like the GGG fight he got out intime before suffering a potentially damaging KO so yes he may have preserved himself.

However, if Hearn is the promoter I think he is he must now be devising a cash out plan. He has got to land Kell that Khan fight next summer at all costs and then Kell can retire on a nice stack of cash. No fights inbetween and a move to light middle could be a disaster..get Khan and get the fcuk out

But it is the same type of injury as he had last year. And you've no way of knowing if he was worried about his sight.

[boxingknockout]

A lot of the posters who have not been in the ring , can sort of be excused for bagging Kell , not 100% but you can sort of understand , they listen to the hype , they watch mismatches and get used to people being batterd when they were always going to lose , they listen to bullshit about fighters claiming i broke me hand in the 2.nd , when alls they done was sprained it and they want to see some even demand blood because they pay for it ,, whats that religous saying , don't judge them they know not what they do , or some such bollocks

But guys like Bellew , who quit and poo himself before he even got hurt , to come out and be that critical is a different story , they should know better , just because a dimwit like bellow says its brave , eyesight is more important , Bellew , Froch are fighters they should know better

Did Froch criticise Brook? Bellew Khan and Nelson did. I dont recall Froch calling him a quitter.

Bellend and especially Nelson are in no position to question anyone's heart - James Warring, Carlos de Leon anyone

[Stuarty]

Eubank Jr weighs in on this issue....

Chris Eubank Jr‏ @ChrisEubankJr
How do you just give up your world title with only 2 rounds to go because of a swollen eye? Congratulations Errol Spence.

All from the guy who's mess Kell had to clean up because he bottled it from GGG. Guys a fuckin joke

dont know if thats quite fair to say, if brook hadnt been there no doubt hearn would have met more of the the Eubank's demands and the fight would have happended. The Eubank's tried playing hard ball and Hearn had another option so gave them the middle finger. Hearn even said that to me on twitter when i asked him, he said he set a deadline they wanted to mess around so he gave another fighter the option who took it on the terms already outlined.

Eubank bottled it mate.

[mchuffy]

The ref didn't stop it or call for the doctor and his corner didn't stop. It all looked a bit fake to me. He gassed and looked for an excuse. He just didn't want to be in there anymore. Funny how a lot of pro boxers agree but the self proclaimed experts on this forum don't.

[veriton]

this is where we end up when every div kid gets a medal at sports day.

[handsofstone]

I hate seeing fighters criticised for quitting, its something that's always irked me, a lot of fans love to call fighters cowards, ducks, yellow etc, its always the first accusations flung at someone when a potential fight fails to materialise, we expect a lot from boxers a lot more than any other profession so any sign of weakness is pounced on, I was disappointed in Bellew as he showed in the Stevenson fight warning signs of weakness, he's always banging on about not being wired right in the head, no quit, loves a fight blah blah, empty vessels ay?

What I have noticed though a lot of these guys who fight on through unthinkable pain, Burns, Quigg, Danny Williams never feel the need to tell the world how much heart they have, even Ali who was the most boastful fighter of all time, never bragged about his fighting heart and he had more heart than most

[Ossyrules]

Honestly some of the nonsense in this thread is hilliarious.i hate questioning professional fighters, and I've been trying to to stay off the forums as I didn't want to come across as a prick but fcuk it - Brook lifted up his skirt and showed us his knickers it's as simple as that. He had a bruised eye, he was knackered and it was all coming on top against a relentless, hard hitting fighter in Spence. As Bellew said, Errol beat the fight out of him, and broke Brooks heart it's as simple as that. He didn't want anymore, he wasnt worried about his eye site - he even said in the post fight it wasn't like the GGG injury. He just had enough, he quit...No mas.

To answer the thread he possibly did both...He voluntarily took a knee infront of his home fans in a fight broadcast across the world and PPV in England so yes he disgraced himself. At the same time, to a lesser extent, like the GGG fight he got out intime before suffering a potentially damaging KO so yes he may have preserved himself.

However, if Hearn is the promoter I think he is he must now be devising a cash out plan. He has got to land Kell that Khan fight next summer at all costs and then Kell can retire on a nice stack of cash. No fights inbetween and a move to light middle could be a disaster..get Khan and get the fcuk out

It couldn't be further from the no mas. Give your head a wobble geezer

Bruised eye = fractured eye socket

Have your opinion by all means but dont change facts

[Counter-puncher]

What I have noticed though a lot of these guys who fight on through unthinkable pain, Burns, Quigg, Danny Williams never feel the need to tell the world how much heart they have, even Ali who was the most boastful fighter of all time, never bragged about his fighting heart and he had more heart than most

Fantastic post mate

[liamlion]

Simple question that's been extensively discussed elsewhere, I just want to see a poll on it

I dont think he disgraced himself but i think he gave up instead of digging deep, put it this way i wouldnt be bothered about watching him fight on ppv again.

I agree with this.