Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo

[scorpio83]

Anybody, please tell me your opinion who had the better resume between Jerry Quarry and George Chuvalo despite the fact that Chuvalo knocked out Quarry in the seventh round in their December 1969 match. Does anyone believed that Quarry fought the better resume than Chuvalo that he beat more world class fighters than the great Canadian heavyweight?

[Tony1244]

I'd have to go with Quarry despite the fact Chuvalo stopped him. Howard Cosell said, "Being stopped by Chuvalo takes some doing."

Quarry's best wins were Lyle, Patterson, Spencer, Shavers. Chuvalo's best wins after Quarry, a very washed up Cleveland Williams gets really thin.

[Flump]

Quarry, no question.

[gilgamesh]

Quarry

[Chuck1052]

Jerry Quarry has a better resume than George Chuvalo.

- Chuck Johnston

[BoxBuzz]

And the stoppage was more about being clumsy, than being defeated.

[Caractacus]

The 'knock-out of Quarry by Chuvalo was kind a bit 'Iffy" if you were to arsk me.
Quarry just seemed to have a nano-second mental fart in getting up.

[Rider51]

Quarry - He was certainly more of an overachiever as well, winning more than a few fights he wasn't expected to, while only losing a couple where he was favored.

[scorpio83]

I'd have to go with Quarry despite the fact Chuvalo stopped him. Howard Cosell said, "Being stopped by Chuvalo takes some doing."

Quarry's best wins were Lyle, Patterson, Spencer, Shavers. Chuvalo's best wins after Quarry, a very washed up Cleveland Williams gets really thin.

Don't forget Quarry also defeated Buster Mathis Sr. and Mac Foster.

[Tony1244]

I'd have to go with Quarry despite the fact Chuvalo stopped him. Howard Cosell said, "Being stopped by Chuvalo takes some doing."

Quarry's best wins were Lyle, Patterson, Spencer, Shavers. Chuvalo's best wins after Quarry, a very washed up Cleveland Williams gets really thin.

Don't forget Quarry also defeated Buster Mathis Sr. and Mac Foster.

I did forget to list them and I shouldn't have.

[Tuan_Jim]

And yet interestingly Chuvalo fared better with Muhammad Ali than did Quarry.

[scorpio83]

And yet interestingly Chuvalo fared better with Muhammad Ali than did Quarry.

True and Chuvalo went to distance twice with Ali and Quarry was stopped twice by Ali.

I'd have to go with Quarry despite the fact Chuvalo stopped him. Howard Cosell said, "Being stopped by Chuvalo takes some doing."

Quarry's best wins were Lyle, Patterson, Spencer, Shavers. Chuvalo's best wins after Quarry, a very washed up Cleveland Williams gets really thin.

Don't forget Quarry also defeated Buster Mathis Sr. and Mac Foster.

I did forget to list them and I shouldn't have.

These were the common opponents between Quarry and Chuvalo.
George Chuvalo Jerry Quarry
Opponents
Alex Miteff D 10, WSD 10 WKO 3
Tony Alongi D 10 D 10 and D 10
Bill Nielsen WKO 8 WUD 10
Leslie Borden WTKO 3 WKO 5
Stamford Harris WTKO 3 WTKO 6
Charlie Reno WKO 3 WTKO 5
Eduardo Corletti L 10 WKO 1
Floyd Patterson LUD 12 D 10 and WMD 12
Jimmy Ellis LUD 10 LMD 15
Buster Mathis LUD 12 WUD 12
Joe Frazier LTKO 4 LTKO 7 and LTKO 5
Muhammad Ali LUD 15, LUD 12 LTKO 3 and LTKO 7

[Kalan]

And yet interestingly Chuvalo fared better with Muhammad Ali than did Quarry.

Ali fared poorly against bigger guys who could take a punch... Like Floyd Mayweather Ali had weak little hands... but lacked Floyd's defensive mastery.

[Caractacus]

yeah but there were hands that "Shook Up the World" !

[Kalan]

There are those who are easily shaken... easily stirred ... Some take the long view... who is the latest and greatest?

Lalia Ali was expounding on the greatness of Anthony Joshua, talking about how handsome he is and all... when the interviewer asked her "What about Klitschko's performance in that fight?" She made a face and said "He's on the way out. Joshua is what's new and happening" ... But she said she felt pity for Mayweather because he claimed to be greater than her father.. By any measure Mayweather is correct.. He certainly was a better boxer who could defend himself a lot better -- and fought in more World Title Fights while beating better opponents. And as a drawing card he certainly outstrips Ali.

[evrenb]

There are those who are easily shaken... easily stirred ... Some take the long view... who is the latest and greatest?

Lalia Ali was expounding on the greatness of Anthony Joshua, talking about how handsome he is and all... when the interviewer asked her "What about Klitschko's performance in that fight?" She made a face and said "He's on the way out. Joshua is what's new and happening" ... But she said she felt pity for Mayweather because he claimed to be greater than her father.. By any measure Mayweather is correct.. He certainly was a better boxer who could defend himself a lot better -- and fought in more World Title Fights while beating better opponents. And as a drawing card he certainly outstrips Ali.

Bollocks

[gp.]

There are those who are easily shaken... easily stirred ... Some take the long view... who is the latest and greatest?

Lalia Ali was expounding on the greatness of Anthony Joshua, talking about how handsome he is and all... when the interviewer asked her "What about Klitschko's performance in that fight?" She made a face and said "He's on the way out. Joshua is what's new and happening" ... But she said she felt pity for Mayweather because he claimed to be greater than her father.. By any measure Mayweather is correct.. He certainly was a better boxer who could defend himself a lot better -- and fought in more World Title Fights while beating better opponents. And as a drawing card he certainly outstrips Ali.

What are you basing that "drawing card" bollocks on?

[BoxBuzz]

I believe he's basing it on the old "Oscar Meyer & Hormel Baloney theory."

Which follows the age old proven principle:

"Serve it up, and someone will swallow it".

[Kalan]

I believe he's basing it on the old "Oscar Meyer & Hormel Baloney theory."

Which follows the age old proven principle:

"Serve it up, and someone will swallow it".

Cut the CRAP BuzzBox... You serve up fanciful BS that couldn't pass muster with a 6-year-old... You traipse through the tulips issuing uncoordinated fantasies.

I base Mayweather being a better drawing card than Ali on the same line of FACTS that made Mike Tyson, Joe Louis, and Jack Dempsey bigger drawing cards than Ali in constant dollars... When you pull record numbers of fans into an arena... do record live gates (like Mayweather did) or record PPV numbers (like Mayweather did) those are raw facts even YOU can get your slow functioning mental equipment around... You like to wait around nit picking at me with phony baloney you invent.. That's your thing.. How about thinking before you post one of these days??? Or are you afraid your brain will explode and you'll get cerebellum all over the living room? ... In that case never fear... Your brain power will grow if you THINK!!!

[scorpio83]

I'm sorry this is the subject on Muhammad Ali's opponents that related to Ali, but not about your favorite fighter Floyd Mayweather, who is not related to this subject. What comment did you say before I put you on the ignore list? You said Ali was afraid to fight big guys who can take a punch. Here's the fact. Ali did fight big guys who can take a punch. Chuvalo fought Ali twice and lost both times. Buster Mathis Sr. fought Ali and was knockdown several times before losing to Ali by decision. Joe Bugner fought Ali twice and lost both times as well. Ernie Terrell fought Ali and lost by decision. Ron Lyle fought Ali and Ali stopped him. Ken Norton fought Ali three times and Ali went 2-1 in a series against Norton. Even George Foreman fought Ali and was knocked out by the G.O.A.T. Also Ali had good defense by slipping and moving. What are you talking about that doesn't make sense to me. If you have a intelligent sense thing to say about who has the better resume between Quarry and Chuvalo, say it and not out of subject. If you don't have anything to say to give any boxing legends any credit for their accomplishments before your favorite fighter, then do not reply to my post with your ridiculous comment that I can't understand. It's like those old time boxing legends did something to you, but they didn't do anything to you personally or your too young to give credit that you don't understand about their legacy. Maybe you're too young to understand and decide to disregard the legends' accomplishment and downgrade their legacy. If you want to praise Mayweather, then comment that related to Mayweather.

Please get back to the real subject I posted. If Quarry and Chuvalo were to fight in their rematch, would Quarry take a decision by out-boxing him instead of out-slugging him?

[Ambling Alp II]

Most Quarry fights went something like this:
Early rounds he comes out guns blazing. (Occasionally this was enough for an early stoppage win.)
Usually the fight continues and Quarry peters out and becomes a punching bag in the middle rounds. (Against elite opponets like Ali, Frazier, and Norton, he is stopped).
Then Quarry gets a second win and fights well in the last few rounds.

The majority of the time Quarry probably wins a decision against Chuvalo in a competitive fight. That is probably what would happened had there been a rematch.

[Kalan]

I'm sorry this is the subject on Muhammad Ali's opponents that related to Ali, but not about your favorite fighter Floyd Mayweather, who is not related to this subject. What comment did you say before I put you on the ignore list? You said Ali was afraid to fight big guys who can take a punch. Here's the fact. Ali did fight big guys who can take a punch. Chuvalo fought Ali twice and lost both times. Buster Mathis Sr. fought Ali and was knockdown several times before losing to Ali by decision. Joe Bugner fought Ali twice and lost both times as well. Ernie Terrell fought Ali and lost by decision. Ron Lyle fought Ali and Ali stopped him. Ken Norton fought Ali three times and Ali went 2-1 in a series against Norton. Even George Foreman fought Ali and was knocked out by the G.O.A.T. Also Ali had good defense by slipping and moving. What are you talking about that doesn't make sense to me. If you have a intelligent sense thing to say about who has the better resume between Quarry and Chuvalo, say it and not out of subject. If you don't have anything to say to give any boxing legends any credit for their accomplishments before your favorite fighter, then do not reply to my post with your ridiculous comment that I can't understand. It's like those old time boxing legends did something to you, but they didn't do anything to you personally or your too young to give credit that you don't understand about their legacy. Maybe you're too young to understand and decide to disregard the legends' accomplishment and downgrade their legacy. If you want to praise Mayweather, then comment that related to Mayweather.

Please get back to the real subject I posted. If Quarry and Chuvalo were to fight in their rematch, would Quarry take a decision by out-boxing him instead of out-slugging him?

I don't know who you talked to who said Ali was afraid to fight any big guy who could take a punch.. He only really avoided 2 guys.. Amos Johnson, who he was supposed to fight after Johnson beat Henry Cooper.. Johnson wasn't any good -- but he had a slick left hook that knocked the crap out of Ali in the Pan Am trials.. And Larry Holmes, who he avoided when he owned a title.. Beating punching bag George Chuvalo was no great shakes if you look at Chuvalo's 18 losses... Ken Norton was a China-chin who Ali couldn't hurt - or even beat from my perspective... Terrell??? You gotta be kidding. Little Thad Spence knocked the tar out of Terrell... Bugner??? You gotta still be kidding. Marvis Frazier beat the Hell out of Bugner when he had only 9 fights... Foreman said he was drugged vs Ali and I believe him. He swung his arms like a drunk... Ron Lyle??? Lyle was out-boxing Ali when the referee stopped it prematurely. Lyle wasn't down or hurt... Buster Mathis hadn't fought in 2 years and 8 months when he faced Ali. He lost 3 of his last 4 fights and had nothing left.

Ali was a great fighter... But he had a ton of defensive holes. He lost 5 times, and his discipline, commitment, and conditioning weren't always the best.

[APerno]

There are those who are easily shaken... easily stirred ... Some take the long view... who is the latest and greatest?

Lalia Ali was expounding on the greatness of Anthony Joshua, talking about how handsome he is and all... when the interviewer asked her "What about Klitschko's performance in that fight?" She made a face and said "He's on the way out. Joshua is what's new and happening" ... But she said she felt pity for Mayweather because he claimed to be greater than her father.. By any measure Mayweather is correct.. He certainly was a better boxer who could defend himself a lot better -- and fought in more World Title Fights while beating better opponents. And as a drawing card he certainly outstrips Ali.

Everything you said was interesting but the last line - Mayweather was a better draw than Ali - that seems a reach - Ali could fight anyone and draw Mayweather needed a super fight to get an audience - Mayweather alone was not a draw - he lacked personality

I always felt that Quarry was a through back fighter who would have felt at home on the '30s and '40s

[scorpio83]

There are those who are easily shaken... easily stirred ... Some take the long view... who is the latest and greatest?

Lalia Ali was expounding on the greatness of Anthony Joshua, talking about how handsome he is and all... when the interviewer asked her "What about Klitschko's performance in that fight?" She made a face and said "He's on the way out. Joshua is what's new and happening" ... But she said she felt pity for Mayweather because he claimed to be greater than her father.. By any measure Mayweather is correct.. He certainly was a better boxer who could defend himself a lot better -- and fought in more World Title Fights while beating better opponents. And as a drawing card he certainly outstrips Ali.

Everything you said was interesting but the last line - Mayweather was a better draw than Ali - that seems a reach - Ali could fight anyone and draw Mayweather needed a super fight to get an audience - Mayweather alone was not a draw - he lacked personality

I always felt that Quarry was a through back fighter who would have felt at home on the '30s and '40s

APerno you made a point right there.

[Kalan]

There are those who are easily shaken... easily stirred ... Some take the long view... who is the latest and greatest?

Lalia Ali was expounding on the greatness of Anthony Joshua, talking about how handsome he is and all... when the interviewer asked her "What about Klitschko's performance in that fight?" She made a face and said "He's on the way out. Joshua is what's new and happening" ... But she said she felt pity for Mayweather because he claimed to be greater than her father.. By any measure Mayweather is correct.. He certainly was a better boxer who could defend himself a lot better -- and fought in more World Title Fights while beating better opponents. And as a drawing card he certainly outstrips Ali.

Everything you said was interesting but the last line - Mayweather was a better draw than Ali - that seems a reach - Ali could fight anyone and draw Mayweather needed a super fight to get an audience - Mayweather alone was not a draw - he lacked personality.

I always felt that Quarry was a through back fighter who would have felt at home on the '30s and '40s

It's no reach that Mayweather was a much bigger draw than Ali... Mayweather even drew big gates fighting dogs like Victor Ortiz and Andre Berto... Nobody was interested when Ali fought Rudi Lubbers and Alfredo Evangelista.. Nobody was going to do any PPV on cherry-picked fights like that.. They even guaranteed Mayweather 32 million a fight -- and he did considerably better than that as they made a ton of money off of him.

Ali's best payday was Larry Holmes... One of the saddest nights and worst showings in the History of Sports.

As for Quarry being a throwback fighter??? ... Quarry was never real happy with Boxing... Jerry even said he wished he'd done something other than box for a living -- and had he not been focused on Boxing as a youngster, a sport his dad insisted he and his brothers take up -- he would have accomplished something worthwhile with his life. Quarry felt that Boxing worked for very few individuals who got into it for a living. That Boxing hurt most of the athletes who took it up and he delivered some of that hurt himself. By the time he realized the business wasn't meant for him, he was in his mid 20's and Boxing was all he knew. He said even at that late date he should have made a change -- renounced Boxing, and gone to school to be an engineer or businessman... He said at a certain point Boxing takes things from you -- so that many opportunities are no longer practical.

Even some successful 30's fighters weren't that big on Boxing.

Max Baer was another boxer who believed he was meant to be "anything other than a fighter." His son Max wanted the old champ to teach him how to box. "I'm a big strong guy like you dad. I'd be good." The old swinger took his son out into the back yard.. He put the gloves on his kid. Pulled on a pair of boxing gloves himself and said, "We'll trade a few shots. This is going to be your first lesson." ... The older Max moved around easily, doing a little shoe shine with his feet to amuse his kid.. Young Max laughed.. Abruptly Baer Sr came in and nailed his kid with a terrific left hook to the jaw and a savage overhand right to the head, knocking young Max flat on his back with an aching, throbbing jaw.. "If you want to get hit in the head like that for the rest of your life son, just get involved with the wonderful sport of Boxing." ... Max Baer Jr started thinking about an acting career.