Adonis Stevenson... Need Your help..

[suffolkbull3]

Ill be the first to admit i have NOT followed Adonis and his boxing Career at all!!!! i took a quick look at his fights on boxrec, but he hasnt even fought really ANYONE in the top 10 of his division. I believe he actually fought Tony Bellow who is the best fighter Adonis has fought in literally his last 10 fights!!! Why is this guys Adonis Stevenson not fighting ANY good comp at all?!!! How is this dude allowed to get away with this handpicking garbage??? Its totally embarrassing for boxing!!! UNLESS, im totally missing something??? That is a very good possibility because like i said, i have not followed Adonis at all. Can someone please tell me what the deal is regarding Adonis Stevenson??! Thanks fellas in advance!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He's very talented but doesn't have the stones to take on the top guys. He literally ran away from kovalev to showtime and has gone downhill since then.

[crusader]

Very good fighter whose career has gotten very boring, with lackluster opponents fight after fight. He'll be 40 soon too...

[Ossyrules]

Cue EO in

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[boxing_rocks]

He made a good decision moving up to 175, because he couldn't get top opponents at 168 and taking on vulnerable Dawson. He had two decent defenses after that, but then he signed with Haymon, jumped networks, and it has been all crap.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Bellew was the last mandatory he fought

[Lackeos]

At the time that Stevenson fought Fonfara, Bellew, and Cloud, they were each top 10 (though I'm not 100% sure about Cloud). At the time that Stevenson fought Dawson, he was top 4. There was a period between 2008 and 2012 when Dawson was consistently considered top 3 in the division, and often considered #1. Moreover, there have been very few opponents that Stevenson hasn't dominated since reaching the world's stage in 2013. Fonfara was one of them, but Stevenson creamed Fonfara in the rematch. However, it would be nice if he fought another top 7 opponent (Kovalev, Ward, Smith, Beterbiev, Gvozdyk, Alvarez), because it's been a while.

[Noxy]

He blitzed Fonfara, he must be handy

[CaptainSpacerod]

Can't wait for the "Floyd Mayweather ..... Need Your Help" thread

[asdfjkl]

I don't know him either, but it reminds me of Deontay Wilder, is he also from the US, Mexico or Canada and fighting for a WBC belt? If yes, then it's probably another WBC hypejob.


I can't take the WBC serious because of it.

[montrealsuper]

Stevenson is what happens when Al Haymon gets too much power - he is able to protect his fraud pretenders by fixing the sanctioning bodies and TV network(s) to do what he wants in essence creating a counterfeit fraud beltholder,

[watsupdoc87]

Sounds crazy but I'd love j Smith a and j dudonga ( Crawford's possible next victim) shake things up. Spanner in the works. Seems like hard determined good not elite skills. And fuk it there fearless. Smith could of taken 2 3 tune ups but possible fights hardest guy yet . Come on Irish bomber and ( brown slightly black bomber Julius. Apologies for spelling.

[caldo2025]

Ill be the first to admit i have NOT followed Adonis and his boxing Career at all!!!! i took a quick look at his fights on boxrec, but he hasnt even fought really ANYONE in the top 10 of his division. I believe he actually fought Tony Bellow who is the best fighter Adonis has fought in literally his last 10 fights!!! Why is this guys Adonis Stevenson not fighting ANY good comp at all?!!! How is this dude allowed to get away with this handpicking garbage??? Its totally embarrassing for boxing!!! UNLESS, im totally missing something??? That is a very good possibility because like i said, i have not followed Adonis at all. Can someone please tell me what the deal is regarding Adonis Stevenson??! Thanks fellas in advance!

Well said and anyone that tries to come up with a theory that Adonis has fought someone would be lying. How a champion can continuously fight garbage defenses in his back yard for so many years is embarrassing.

[brilo33]

Ill be the first to admit i have NOT followed Adonis and his boxing Career at all!!!! i took a quick look at his fights on boxrec, but he hasnt even fought really ANYONE in the top 10 of his division. I believe he actually fought Tony Bellow who is the best fighter Adonis has fought in literally his last 10 fights!!! Why is this guys Adonis Stevenson not fighting ANY good comp at all?!!! How is this dude allowed to get away with this handpicking garbage??? Its totally embarrassing for boxing!!! UNLESS, im totally missing something??? That is a very good possibility because like i said, i have not followed Adonis at all. Can someone please tell me what the deal is regarding Adonis Stevenson??! Thanks fellas in advance!

i watched most of his fights since Chad Dawson win , i see him as a banger who doesn't like to be hit, but he has that night night punch, seemed liked he was facing most fighters up until the one we were all hoping for kovalev , it never happened , seems like he is happy picking up cheques fighting fights he knows he can win , which business wise you can't argue with , but as a fan ive no time for now

[Kalan]

few opponents that Stevenson hasn't dominated since reaching the world's stage in 2013. Fonfara was one of them, but Stevenson creamed Fonfara in the rematch

World stage??? Dawson was done. Chad was 1 of Andre Ward's very few KO wins. Chad was also behind on points to Jean Pascal and lost a technical decision on cuts. He was slipping badly... The only reason Chickenson fought Fonfara is --Joe Smith polished Fonfara off in the 1st round without taking a deep breath.

[Enlightened-One]

few opponents that Stevenson hasn't dominated since reaching the world's stage in 2013. Fonfara was one of them, but Stevenson creamed Fonfara in the rematch

World stage??? Dawson was done. Chad was 1 of Andre Ward's very few KO wins. Chad was also behind on points to Jean Pascal and lost a technical decision on cuts. He was slipping badly... The only reason Chickenson fought Fonfara is --Joe Smith polished Fonfara off in the 1st round without taking a deep breath.

When Stevenson defeated Chad Dawson, he captured his WBC world light heavyweight title from a man competing in his natural habitat that was also considered The Ring champion, whilst universally-regarded by the media as the very best 175lb-er on the planet.

It is an irrefutable fact that Sergey Kovalev turned down a guaranteed opportunity to face Adonis Stevenson. There are copious amounts of YouTube videos of Kathy Duva going to all sorts of painstaking lengths to explain the reason why Sergey felt compelled to “duck” his WBC champion rival.

It is categorically impossible for any sane human possessing mental capacity and at least moderate intellect to dispute this fúckíng irrefutable real-world fact!

That’s the only reason why people from this forum choose to insult me when I persistently remind everyone of this fact, is because they are embarrassed about Kovalev refusing to accept a guaranteed shot at Stevenson, which the Canadian-based WBC champ had wholeheartedly committed himself to!

Here are Dan Rafael’s own words he used to explain the reason why the Stevenson-Smith Jr. fight didn’t materialise: “the Smith camp butchered the deal.”

If you insist on labelling Adonis as “Chickenson”, then you have to also apply the “Duckalev” nickname to Sergey, because doing otherwise would only serve to portray yourself as hypocrite that unfairly applies double-standards!

[littlepug]

some fighters really don't give a sh1t about their standing in the sport, its all about the paydays and securing their future

[caldo2025]

few opponents that Stevenson hasn't dominated since reaching the world's stage in 2013. Fonfara was one of them, but Stevenson creamed Fonfara in the rematch

World stage??? Dawson was done. Chad was 1 of Andre Ward's very few KO wins. Chad was also behind on points to Jean Pascal and lost a technical decision on cuts. He was slipping badly... The only reason Chickenson fought Fonfara is --Joe Smith polished Fonfara off in the 1st round without taking a deep breath.

When Stevenson defeated Chad Dawson, he captured his WBC world light heavyweight title from a man competing in his natural habitat that was also considered The Ring champion, whilst universally-regarded by the media as the very best 175lb-er on the planet.

It is an irrefutable fact that Sergey Kovalev turned down a guaranteed opportunity to face Adonis Stevenson. There are copious amounts of YouTube videos of Kathy Duva going to all sorts of painstaking lengths to explain the reason why Sergey felt compelled to “duck” his WBC champion rival.

It is categorically impossible for any sane human possessing mental capacity and at least moderate intellect to dispute this fúckíng irrefutable real-world fact!

That’s the only reason why people from this forum choose to insult me when I persistently remind everyone of this fact, is because they are embarrassed about Kovalev refusing to accept a guaranteed shot at Stevenson, which the Canadian-based WBC champ had wholeheartedly committed himself to!

Here are Dan Rafael’s own words he used to explain the reason why the Stevenson-Smith Jr. fight didn’t materialise: “the Smith camp butchered the deal.”

So wait, are you claiming that Adonis didn't "BUTCHER" the first proposed meeting between Kovalev and Adonis? The one where it was all said and done pretty much except for signatures and Adonis jumped networks all of sudden knowing that HBO would never work with SHO? You are talking about that one right? Are you referring to when Kovalev was negotiating with Ward and they both scheduled tune ups prior to the big fight. That is essentially a one year contract with another boxer. Of course Chickenson would make all sorts of offers during a time in which Kovalev couldn't accept or would be dumb to. Please expound a little more on this theory because once again, smarter people than you in the sport have opposing views of the truth when it comes to Adonis and his clown moves.
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[Enlightened-One]

World stage??? Dawson was done. Chad was 1 of Andre Ward's very few KO wins. Chad was also behind on points to Jean Pascal and lost a technical decision on cuts. He was slipping badly... The only reason Chickenson fought Fonfara is --Joe Smith polished Fonfara off in the 1st round without taking a deep breath.

When Stevenson defeated Chad Dawson, he captured his WBC world light heavyweight title from a man competing in his natural habitat that was also considered The Ring champion, whilst universally-regarded by the media as the very best 175lb-er on the planet.

It is an irrefutable fact that Sergey Kovalev turned down a guaranteed opportunity to face Adonis Stevenson. There are copious amounts of YouTube videos of Kathy Duva going to all sorts of painstaking lengths to explain the reason why Sergey felt compelled to “duck” his WBC champion rival.

It is categorically impossible for any sane human possessing mental capacity and at least moderate intellect to dispute this fúckíng irrefutable real-world fact!

That’s the only reason why people from this forum choose to insult me when I persistently remind everyone of this fact, is because they are embarrassed about Kovalev refusing to accept a guaranteed shot at Stevenson, which the Canadian-based WBC champ had wholeheartedly committed himself to!

Here are Dan Rafael’s own words he used to explain the reason why the Stevenson-Smith Jr. fight didn’t materialise: “the Smith camp butchered the deal.”

So wait, are you claiming that Adonis didn't "BUTCHER" the first proposed meeting between Kovalev and Adonis? The one where it was all said and done pretty much except for signatures and Adonis jumped networks all of sudden knowing that HBO would never work with SHO? You are talking about that one right? Are you referring to when Kovalev was negotiating with Ward and they both scheduled tune ups prior to the big fight. That is essentially a one year contract with another boxer. Of course Chickenson would make all sorts of offers during a time in which Kovalev couldn't accept or would be dumb to. Please expound a little more on this theory because once again, smarter people than you in the sport have opposing views of the truth when it comes to Adonis and his clown moves.

Adonis Stevenson didn't "jump ship" to avoid Sergey Kovalev.

Stevenson's contract with HBO had expired and Haymon managed to secure him a more lucrative deal with Showtime.

Adonis and Haymon gave HBO an opportunity to outbid their rival network, but they chose not to... so HBO's own decision removed the possibility of a Stevenson-Kovalev fight.

Prior to that, HBO had previously announced to the media that they would refuse to work with Haymon ever again, unless it involved a marquee super-fight... and they even communicated this to the media. This was also cited during GBP's failed lawsuit against Haymon.

So this led to Haymon's fighters ultimately being unable to compete against anyone affiliated to HBO.

When Kovalev's own contract had eventually expired with HBO, Kathy Duva lobbied the WBC to instate Sergey as Adonis Stevenson's mandatory challenger (since the Russian was technically a network free agent at that particular point in time).

Kathy Duva had previously filed her own failed lawsuit against Haymon and her relationship with GYM was poor, so the mandated bout went straight to purse bids, instead of contract negotiation.

Kathy Duva then complained about the WBC's stipulated deadlines, telling everyone that they were unreasonable.

So the WBC caved into her demands and actually extended the deadlines.

Meanwhile, whilst all this was going on, Kathy Duva was negotiating with HBO to renew Kovalev's contract.

When HBO and Kathy had agreed the terms of their new contract, she immediately withdrew Kovalev from the WBC's purse bid process, claiming that she wasn't allowed to participate, in case she was outbid, since Sergey was exclusively tied to HBO - meaning that he was forbidden from competing on a rival network.

Since then, Kathy Duva has repeatedly claimed that a fight between Stevenson and Kovalev could now only take place if it was exclusively televised by HBO, regardless as to whether Showtime/GYM/Haymon could provide Sergey with a better payday by "crossing the street" for a one-off fight with Stevenson on Showtime.

Everything I've stated has been confirmed by all parties and is easily verifiable.

Regardless his reasons, Kovalev actually ducked Stevenson and no amount of diversionary tactics or insults can disprove this real-world fact!

You're obviously intent of blaming Stevenson for the dodgy shenanigans of HBO, Kathy Duva and Sergey Kovalev, whilst flatly-refusing to research and qualify the accuracy of your derogatory claims.

Therefore, you've become a fûckîng uneducated Lemming that decides to ride the bandwagon of ignorance ridden by the lazy mainstream masses, whereby a whole host of imbeciles buy into absolute fûckîng lies and exceptionally embellished half-truths... and that's an issue that only you have chosen to live with.

[Ossyrules]

EO you really only provide information to support your side of the story in this one. Pro stevenson.

Please stop going on about irrefutable facts nonsense shoving it down our throats.

I get that you are not a fan of kovalev as discussed in other threads. But if you try and play the unbiased preacher, then you need to be unbiased.

It's not hard for people to look these irrefutable facts up for themselves. ESPN, bleacher report provide articles that are clearly more levelled.

My opinion of it all is that if fighters want to fight, a deal can be made. I question stevensons heart for the kovalev fight

[Enlightened-One]

EO you really only provide information to support your side of the story in this one. Pro stevenson.

This isn’t true. I articulated the actual situation and withheld my personal opinion on the matter.

Please stop going on about irrefutable facts nonsense shoving it down our throats.

You don’t have any right to ask me that, so I politely request that you fornicate off!

I get that you are not a fan of kovalev as discussed in other threads.

I have a deep-seated appreciation for Sergey Kovalev’s sporting prowess. He’s gained my respect in this area, because he’s earned it. I also genuinely appreciate watching his fights.

That being said, he frequently makes bigoted remarks, sometimes not even in the context of trash-talking. So if you support his behaviour in relation to this matter, then you’re a fúckíng bigoted racist!

But if you try and play the unbiased preacher, then you need to be unbiased.

This forum excessively criticises certain fighters without reason or based on complete utter fúcking búllshít. So I feel compelled to challenge their claims, which nearly always offends quite a lot of people, because they clearly know that they cannot possibly undermine the truth.

I don’t play a “role”, but I do like to encourage people to carefully consider real-world facts prior to formulating their opinion, instead of behaving like lazy fúckíng lemmings whilst riding the “let’s talk complete búllshít” bandwagon.

It's not hard for people to look these irrefutable facts up for themselves.

There are far too many lazy fúckérs that frequent this forum that clearly refuse to do this, because there continues to be an abnormally high volume of posts that contain claims that are total bóllócks.

ESPN, bleacher report provide articles that are clearly more levelled.

Are you really sure about that? Several big name journalists seem strangely compelled to refrain from severely criticising any HBO affiliated fighter, whilst aggressively lambasting others that are linked to Showtime and also the PBC.

For instance: Dan Rafael issued scathing criticism of Angel Garcia for his homophic and racist comments, whilst remaining strangely silent on the rants of Manny Pacquiao and Sergey Kovalev.

You cannot seriously use the phrase “clearly more levelled” when we often see double-standards being applied by the very journalists that you’ve strongly endorsed?

My opinion of it all is that if fighters want to fight, a deal can be made.

This is untrue, because it has already been proven in court that GBP & HBO will do their upmost to avoid working with Haymon and Showtime, unless the financial incentives are absolutely too fúckíng massive to turn down. There are other issues that severely undermine your overly-simplistic view.

I question stevensons heart for the kovalev fight

You do know that Sergey Kovalev “ducked” Adonis Stevenson, right? Did you read my carefully-researched explanation of the situation?

At one point you state that “it’s not hard for people to look these irrefutable facts up for themselves”, but then you clearly articulate an opinion that bears no relation to the real-world facts.

If you don’t want to read my posts, then that’s fine by me, but don’t say moronic things that prove that you’ve not researched any so-called "irrefutable facts" from the very media sources that you passionately endorsed!

You’ve demanded that I “stop going on about irrefutable facts nonsense shoving it down your throats”, but then how am I supposed to respond to your uneducated búllshít claims, if you're far too lazy to perform the easy task of looking up any “irrefutable facts” for yourself?

[Ossyrules]

EO you really only provide information to support your side of the story in this one. Pro stevenson.

This isn’t true. I articulated the actual situation and withheld my personal opinion on the matter.

Please stop going on about irrefutable facts nonsense shoving it down our throats.

You don’t have any right to ask me that, so I politely request that you eff off!

I get that you are not a fan of kovalev as discussed in other threads.

I have a deep-seated appreciation for Sergey Kovalev’s sporting prowess. He’s gained my respect in this area, because he’s earned it. I also genuinely appreciate watching his fights.

That being said, he frequently makes bigoted remarks, sometimes not even in the context of trash-talking. So if you support his behaviour in relation to this matter, then you’re a fúckíng bigoted racist!

But if you try and play the unbiased preacher, then you need to be unbiased.

This forum excessively criticises certain fighters without reason or based on complete utter fúcking búllshít. So I feel compelled to challenge their claims, which nearly always offends quite a lot of people, because they clearly know that they cannot possibly undermine the truth.

I don’t play a “role”, but I do like to encourage people to carefully consider real-world facts prior to formulating their opinion, instead of behaving like lazy fúckíng lemmings whilst riding the “let’s talk complete búllshít” bandwagon.

It's not hard for people to look these irrefutable facts up for themselves.

There are far too many lazy fúckérs that frequent this forum that clearly refuse to do this, because there continues to be an abnormally high volume of posts that contain claims that are total bóllócks.

ESPN, bleacher report provide articles that are clearly more levelled.

Are you really sure about that? Several big name journalists seem strangely compelled to refrain from severely criticising any HBO affiliated fighter, whilst aggressively lambasting others that are linked to Showtime and also the PBC.

For instance: Dan Rafael issued scathing criticism of Angel Garcia for his homophic and racist comments, whilst remaining strangely silent on the rants of Manny Pacquiao and Sergey Kovalev.

You cannot seriously use the phrase “clearly more levelled” when we often see double-standards being applied by the very journalists that you’ve strongly endorsed?

My opinion of it all is that if fighters want to fight, a deal can be made.

This is untrue, because it has already been proven in court that GBP & HBO will do their upmost to avoid working with Haymon and Showtime, unless the financial incentives are absolutely too fúckíng massive to turn down. There are other issues that severely undermine your overly-simplistic view.

I question stevensons heart for the kovalev fight

You do know that Sergey Kovalev “ducked” Adonis Stevenson, right? Did you read my carefully-researched explanation of the situation?

At one point you state that “it’s not hard for people to look these irrefutable facts up for themselves”, but then you clearly articulate an opinion that bears no relation to the real-world facts.

If you don’t want to read my posts, then that’s fine by me, but don’t say moronic things that prove that you’ve not researched any so-called "irrefutable facts" from the very media sources that you passionately endorsed!

You’ve demanded that I “stop going on about irrefutable facts nonsense shoving it down your throats”, but then how am I supposed to respond to your uneducated búllshít claims, if you're far too lazy to perform the easy task of looking up any “irrefutable facts” for yourself?

None of this makes any in roads on my post

Top tip, I'm not sure you can "politely" ask someone to fornicate off. A man of your calibre and etiquette would know this from your extensive use of the English language

[Enlightened-One]

EO you really only provide information to support your side of the story in this one. Pro stevenson.

This isn’t true. I articulated the actual situation and withheld my personal opinion on the matter.

Please stop going on about irrefutable facts nonsense shoving it down our throats.

You don’t have any right to ask me that, so I politely request that you eff off!

I get that you are not a fan of kovalev as discussed in other threads.

I have a deep-seated appreciation for Sergey Kovalev’s sporting prowess. He’s gained my respect in this area, because he’s earned it. I also genuinely appreciate watching his fights.

That being said, he frequently makes bigoted remarks, sometimes not even in the context of trash-talking. So if you support his behaviour in relation to this matter, then you’re a fúckíng bigoted racist!

But if you try and play the unbiased preacher, then you need to be unbiased.

This forum excessively criticises certain fighters without reason or based on complete utter fúcking búllshít. So I feel compelled to challenge their claims, which nearly always offends quite a lot of people, because they clearly know that they cannot possibly undermine the truth.

I don’t play a “role”, but I do like to encourage people to carefully consider real-world facts prior to formulating their opinion, instead of behaving like lazy fúckíng lemmings whilst riding the “let’s talk complete búllshít” bandwagon.

It's not hard for people to look these irrefutable facts up for themselves.

There are far too many lazy fúckérs that frequent this forum that clearly refuse to do this, because there continues to be an abnormally high volume of posts that contain claims that are total bóllócks.

ESPN, bleacher report provide articles that are clearly more levelled.

Are you really sure about that? Several big name journalists seem strangely compelled to refrain from severely criticising any HBO affiliated fighter, whilst aggressively lambasting others that are linked to Showtime and also the PBC.

For instance: Dan Rafael issued scathing criticism of Angel Garcia for his homophic and racist comments, whilst remaining strangely silent on the rants of Manny Pacquiao and Sergey Kovalev.

You cannot seriously use the phrase “clearly more levelled” when we often see double-standards being applied by the very journalists that you’ve strongly endorsed?

My opinion of it all is that if fighters want to fight, a deal can be made.

This is untrue, because it has already been proven in court that GBP & HBO will do their upmost to avoid working with Haymon and Showtime, unless the financial incentives are absolutely too fúckíng massive to turn down. There are other issues that severely undermine your overly-simplistic view.

I question stevensons heart for the kovalev fight

You do know that Sergey Kovalev “ducked” Adonis Stevenson, right? Did you read my carefully-researched explanation of the situation?

At one point you state that “it’s not hard for people to look these irrefutable facts up for themselves”, but then you clearly articulate an opinion that bears no relation to the real-world facts.

If you don’t want to read my posts, then that’s fine by me, but don’t say moronic things that prove that you’ve not researched any so-called "irrefutable facts" from the very media sources that you passionately endorsed!

You’ve demanded that I “stop going on about irrefutable facts nonsense shoving it down your throats”, but then how am I supposed to respond to your uneducated búllshít claims, if you're far too lazy to perform the easy task of looking up any “irrefutable facts” for yourself?

None of this makes any in roads on my post

Top tip, I'm not sure you can "politely" ask someone to eff off. A man of your calibre and etiquette would know this from your extensive use of the English language

When you fired the first shot, did you not expect me to retaliate?

[Ossyrules]

This isn’t true. I articulated the actual situation and withheld my personal opinion on the matter.

You don’t have any right to ask me that, so I politely request that you eff off!

I have a deep-seated appreciation for Sergey Kovalev’s sporting prowess. He’s gained my respect in this area, because he’s earned it. I also genuinely appreciate watching his fights.

That being said, he frequently makes bigoted remarks, sometimes not even in the context of trash-talking. So if you support his behaviour in relation to this matter, then you’re a fúckíng bigoted racist!

This forum excessively criticises certain fighters without reason or based on complete utter fúcking búllshít. So I feel compelled to challenge their claims, which nearly always offends quite a lot of people, because they clearly know that they cannot possibly undermine the truth.

I don’t play a “role”, but I do like to encourage people to carefully consider real-world facts prior to formulating their opinion, instead of behaving like lazy fúckíng lemmings whilst riding the “let’s talk complete búllshít” bandwagon.

There are far too many lazy fúckérs that frequent this forum that clearly refuse to do this, because there continues to be an abnormally high volume of posts that contain claims that are total bóllócks.

Are you really sure about that? Several big name journalists seem strangely compelled to refrain from severely criticising any HBO affiliated fighter, whilst aggressively lambasting others that are linked to Showtime and also the PBC.

For instance: Dan Rafael issued scathing criticism of Angel Garcia for his homophic and racist comments, whilst remaining strangely silent on the rants of Manny Pacquiao and Sergey Kovalev.

You cannot seriously use the phrase “clearly more levelled” when we often see double-standards being applied by the very journalists that you’ve strongly endorsed?

This is untrue, because it has already been proven in court that GBP & HBO will do their upmost to avoid working with Haymon and Showtime, unless the financial incentives are absolutely too fúckíng massive to turn down. There are other issues that severely undermine your overly-simplistic view.

You do know that Sergey Kovalev “ducked” Adonis Stevenson, right? Did you read my carefully-researched explanation of the situation?

At one point you state that “it’s not hard for people to look these irrefutable facts up for themselves”, but then you clearly articulate an opinion that bears no relation to the real-world facts.

If you don’t want to read my posts, then that’s fine by me, but don’t say moronic things that prove that you’ve not researched any so-called "irrefutable facts" from the very media sources that you passionately endorsed!

You’ve demanded that I “stop going on about irrefutable facts nonsense shoving it down your throats”, but then how am I supposed to respond to your uneducated búllshít claims, if you're far too lazy to perform the easy task of looking up any “irrefutable facts” for yourself?

None of this makes any in roads on my post

Top tip, I'm not sure you can "politely" ask someone to eff off. A man of your calibre and etiquette would know this from your extensive use of the English language

When you fired the first shot, did you not expect me to retaliate?

Of course! Just pointing out saying politely and fack off doesn't make sense!

[boxing_rocks]

Ossy, stop stirring the EO sh!t. It is stinking enough even without it.