fightfan95 wrote:I would say the O2 is the favourite venue if there were to get made. O2 has a capacity of 20,000 doesn't it? Although I think this would be a great venue for this type of fight, I would say it could sell more than 20,000 tickets easily. How many do you guys think it would sell?
It would definitely sell out. & they could add in the Chelsea v Arsenal angle. That wouldn't cause any trouble, would it
fightfan95 wrote:I would say the O2 is the favourite venue if there were to get made. O2 has a capacity of 20,000 doesn't it? Although I think this would be a great venue for this type of fight, I would say it could sell more than 20,000 tickets easily. How many do you guys think it would sell?
James is a big Arsenal fan so maybe the Emirates is feasible although that would probably mean waiting until next summer
It's a tricky one. It's too big for the O2 but I don't think it sells out the emirates, if it does that would be a great venue for it.
I always get the impression there is more "hatred" from degales side than groves tbh. If you read a lot of articles or interviews with degale, he rarely misses an opportunity to throw a dig in. I think groves is marginally more less bothered than degale, probably by virtue of having beaten him twice
In the first Groves Degale fight (pro) I felt that James lost it rather than George won it, if you know what I mean.
And he's still fighting the same way. Looking brilliant in spurts then not doing much for rounds at a time.
I can't agree with that assessment of the first fight.
Degale was getting outclassed and outboxed for the first half of that fight. He dragged himself back in it to his credit, but groves was on the front foot in that fight from the off. If degale had started better then took his foot off (oscar Tito style), then your point would work for me
The beauty of the sport. We all watch the same fight but have different interpretations
fightfan95 wrote:
It's a tricky one. It's too big for the O2 but I don't think it sells out the emirates, if it does that would be a great venue for it.
True. Highbury would've been just the right size I think.
Taansend wrote:
In the first Groves Degale fight (pro) I felt that James lost it rather than George won it, if you know what I mean.
And he's still fighting the same way. Looking brilliant in spurts then not doing much for rounds at a time.
I can't agree with that assessment of the first fight.
Degale was getting outclassed and outboxed for the first half of that fight. He dragged himself back in it to his credit, but groves was on the front foot in that fight from the off. If degale had started better then took his foot off (oscar Tito style), then your point would work for me
The beauty of the sport. We all watch the same fight but have different interpretations
I would tend to agree with Ossy. I think Groves dictated a lot of things that night.
fightfan95 wrote:
It's a tricky one. It's too big for the O2 but I don't think it sells out the emirates, if it does that would be a great venue for it.
True. Highbury would've been just the right size I think.
Spot on I would say it sells around 35,000 tickets.
Ossyrules wrote:
I can't agree with that assessment of the first fight.
Degale was getting outclassed and outboxed for the first half of that fight. He dragged himself back in it to his credit, but groves was on the front foot in that fight from the off. If degale had started better then took his foot off (oscar Tito style), then your point would work for me
The beauty of the sport. We all watch the same fight but have different interpretations
I would tend to agree with Ossy. I think Groves dictated a lot of things that night.
Which I feel was down to Degale thinking he could take Groves out whenever he wanted and not doing enough bread and butter work.
Groves won the first fight and should be paid more in the rematch. 55-45 to Groves is fair. DeGale has done a lot since losing to Groves but the result of their first fight should come into play with the split.
Groves doesn't need this fight as much as DeGale. DeGale has lost in the ameters and pro's to George, they both have a world title, arguably James is lucky to still have his after the Jack fight. James dislikes George, he cannot stand him whereas George doesn't have any feeling towards James I would say. He doesn't need to settle anything. So with James' demands about the purse split, I can't see it happening unless its 50/50 or even in George's favour.
Taansend wrote:
In the first Groves Degale fight (pro) I felt that James lost it rather than George won it, if you know what I mean.
And he's still fighting the same way. Looking brilliant in spurts then not doing much for rounds at a time.
I can't agree with that assessment of the first fight.
Degale was getting outclassed and outboxed for the first half of that fight. He dragged himself back in it to his credit, but groves was on the front foot in that fight from the off. If degale had started better then took his foot off (oscar Tito style), then your point would work for me
The beauty of the sport. We all watch the same fight but have different interpretations
CaptainSpacerod wrote:Tricky one to call. I give James the edge in terms of his record - winning the title and defending it in USA and also winning and defending it against a better calibre of opponent than Chudinov. But George can rightly claim that he beat James when they fought.
In terms of putting bums on seats you have to give George the edge. The general public know who George is, albeit as the man who Froch KOd, whereas James probably only generates a flicker of recognition from his Olympic feats.
I think on balance 50/50 is spot on here and both fighters should be careful not to let their egos price themselves out of a deal which let's be honest will be the biggest payday that either has left in their career.
Can't disagree with any of that tbh. Degale has more title defences and been champ for longer but Groves has a more senior belt if we're being picky and has also beat Chunky in the ams and pro's. Degale is deluded if he thinks he deserves more than Groves for this fight or maybe he just thinks George simply has his number so will price himself out. They should try hard to get this fight on and in London too because either one is capable of losing his belt anytime, strike whilst the iron is hot and they're both champs to maximise the hype and cash.
Get the feeling Degale is really on the slide. Poor performance against Jack really, he was out of it in the 12th. That would have damaged his confidence. Groves is a big hitter and I don't even think he'll be worried about Degale on the inside. He's capable of covering up, riding punches and throwing bombs back. Groves stands his ground more and tries to dictate the fight. The only time we've really seen him fight on the backfoot on the run was the Degale fight and I think we can put that down to Booth. To be fair, Groves would have easily outclassed Froch if he fought the same fight but he fought his own way. I think he will do the same in this one. It should make for an exciting fight if Degale comes to fight but I think it will be a role reversal - Degale might be the one on the backfoot in this one, trying to nick the fight.
DeGale is not a better champion because he is not a champion at all. He lost his last fight clearly. Plus he lost to Groves already, twice. Plus it was Groves who sold 80000 tickets, while DeGale fights in half empty arenas in America. DeGale should be happy if he gets 50/50. NO CHANCE IN HELL DeGale gets over 50%.
They both have belts so it should be 50/50.
But if you asked me who puts bums on seats it would be Groves hands down.
I mean, who doesn't like a Groves fight?
He entertains even when he loses.
CaptainSpacerod wrote:Tricky one to call. I give James the edge in terms of his record - winning the title and defending it in USA and also winning and defending it against a better calibre of opponent than Chudinov. But George can rightly claim that he beat James when they fought.
In terms of putting bums on seats you have to give George the edge. The general public know who George is, albeit as the man who Froch KOd, whereas James probably only generates a flicker of recognition from his Olympic feats.
I think on balance 50/50 is spot on here and both fighters should be careful not to let their egos price themselves out of a deal which let's be honest will be the biggest payday that either has left in their career.
50 50 is fair but if I were groves I'd want more and hold out till I got more. Already beat him twice and have my own belt, let him chase me down - I wouldn't blame him for his approach. Degale has to right this wrong.
95gerog wrote:50 50 is fair but if I were groves I'd want more and hold out till I got more. Already beat him twice and have my own belt, let him chase me down - I wouldn't blame him for his approach. Degale has to right this wrong.
Thats another good point, Groves can quite happily retire now as a world champ and say that he beat his big rival Degale legit twice, at amateur and then pro, the fact it was many moons ago and both were close calls doesn't matter on GG's resume. Degale really seems to dislike Groves so it must grate that he's lost twice to him and despite his disdain for the 'ugly ginger kid' if he risked a 3rd bout and lost a world title unification he would be forever in his shadow, a nightmare scenario for JD. Makes me think that all this talk of wanting a bigger percentage is Chunky's way of avoiding the fight, if he hadn't lost twice to him already it wouldn't be quite so bad but a potential 3rd loss in the biggest showdown of them all would be too much for his ego despite the big payday.
I would say it sells around 35,000 tickets.
