Adonis Stevenson... Need Your help..

[caldo2025]

When Stevenson defeated Chad Dawson, he captured his WBC world light heavyweight title from a man competing in his natural habitat that was also considered The Ring champion, whilst universally-regarded by the media as the very best 175lb-er on the planet.

It is an irrefutable fact that Sergey Kovalev turned down a guaranteed opportunity to face Adonis Stevenson. There are copious amounts of YouTube videos of Kathy Duva going to all sorts of painstaking lengths to explain the reason why Sergey felt compelled to “duck” his WBC champion rival.

It is categorically impossible for any sane human possessing mental capacity and at least moderate intellect to dispute this fúckíng irrefutable real-world fact!

That’s the only reason why people from this forum choose to insult me when I persistently remind everyone of this fact, is because they are embarrassed about Kovalev refusing to accept a guaranteed shot at Stevenson, which the Canadian-based WBC champ had wholeheartedly committed himself to!

Here are Dan Rafael’s own words he used to explain the reason why the Stevenson-Smith Jr. fight didn’t materialise: “the Smith camp butchered the deal.”

So wait, are you claiming that Adonis didn't "BUTCHER" the first proposed meeting between Kovalev and Adonis? The one where it was all said and done pretty much except for signatures and Adonis jumped networks all of sudden knowing that HBO would never work with SHO? You are talking about that one right? Are you referring to when Kovalev was negotiating with Ward and they both scheduled tune ups prior to the big fight. That is essentially a one year contract with another boxer. Of course Chickenson would make all sorts of offers during a time in which Kovalev couldn't accept or would be dumb to. Please expound a little more on this theory because once again, smarter people than you in the sport have opposing views of the truth when it comes to Adonis and his clown moves.

Adonis Stevenson didn't "jump ship" to avoid Sergey Kovalev.

Stevenson's contract with HBO had expired and Haymon managed to secure him a more lucrative deal with Showtime.

Adonis and Haymon gave HBO an opportunity to outbid their rival network, but they chose not to... so HBO's own decision removed the possibility of a Stevenson-Kovalev fight.

Prior to that, HBO had previously announced to the media that they would refuse to work with Haymon ever again, unless it involved a marquee super-fight... and they even communicated this to the media. This was also cited during GBP's failed lawsuit against Haymon.

So this led to Haymon's fighters ultimately being unable to compete against anyone affiliated to HBO.

When Kovalev's own contract had eventually expired with HBO, Kathy Duva lobbied the WBC to instate Sergey as Adonis Stevenson's mandatory challenger (since the Russian was technically a network free agent at that particular point in time).

Kathy Duva had previously filed her own failed lawsuit against Haymon and her relationship with GYM was poor, so the mandated bout went straight to purse bids, instead of contract negotiation.

Kathy Duva then complained about the WBC's stipulated deadlines, telling everyone that they were unreasonable.

So the WBC caved into her demands and actually extended the deadlines.

Meanwhile, whilst all this was going on, Kathy Duva was negotiating with HBO to renew Kovalev's contract.

When HBO and Kathy had agreed the terms of their new contract, she immediately withdrew Kovalev from the WBC's purse bid process, claiming that she wasn't allowed to participate, in case she was outbid, since Sergey was exclusively tied to HBO - meaning that he was forbidden from competing on a rival network.

Since then, Kathy Duva has repeatedly claimed that a fight between Stevenson and Kovalev could now only take place if it was exclusively televised by HBO, regardless as to whether Showtime/GYM/Haymon could provide Sergey with a better payday by "crossing the street" for a one-off fight with Stevenson on Showtime.

Everything I've stated has been confirmed by all parties and is easily verifiable.

Regardless his reasons, Kovalev actually ducked Stevenson and no amount of diversionary tactics or insults can disprove this real-world fact!

You're obviously intent of blaming Stevenson for the dodgy shenanigans of HBO, Kathy Duva and Sergey Kovalev, whilst flatly-refusing to research and qualify the accuracy of your derogatory claims.

Therefore, you've become a fûckîng uneducated Lemming that decides to ride the bandwagon of ignorance ridden by the lazy mainstream masses, whereby a whole host of imbeciles buy into absolute fûckîng lies and exceptionally embellished half-truths... and that's an issue that only you have chosen to live with.

You couldn't have tried harder to find a way to overlook the main reason why this fight fell apart and it had nothing to do with anyone but Adonis Stevenson. You must be a defense lawyer or a wanna be ambulance chaser because this is some fine tap dancing that might actually get one or two jurors to vote to acquit with your reasoning but one or two fans does not win you an argument here.

Michel, Duva and HBO negotiated and agreed to splits and terms prior to the tune up fights and the fight was set to go for the Fall. Adonis's own promoter urged him to sign the deal but he would not. He inexplicably decided to stiff Michel and the work that was put in negotiating what would be this fighters most profitable fight in his career and sign with a promoter in Haymon that would absolutely eliminate the chance that this fight takes place.

Duva and Kovalev negotiated in good faith with Adonis's representation at the time. What else could they have done? Promoters agreed to terms and splits, that's the hard part. it's game on normally. Michel urged Adonis to sign the deal and he wouldn't. Adonis has been making chump change in every single fight compared to the dollars that were staring at him in the face in this one so we know that it wasn't about the money. Adonis got scared and did the only thing that he could do to get him out of facing Serge, sign with Haymon out of nowhere. That's it. He knew what that move meant and so do you. The chances of these parties negotiating a deal at all was minuscule never mind in time for a fight in the Fall of that year. No shot.

So again, you may have some luck in a court of law with this defense by snowballing one white trash juror with a 3rd grade education but you won't and haven't even come close to changing anyone's perception about this. One person made this fight impossible to make and it was Adonis, no one else.

[Baby Face Finster]

Can everyone please stop feeding the troll?

[Enlightened-One]

So wait, are you claiming that Adonis didn't "BUTCHER" the first proposed meeting between Kovalev and Adonis? The one where it was all said and done pretty much except for signatures and Adonis jumped networks all of sudden knowing that HBO would never work with SHO? You are talking about that one right? Are you referring to when Kovalev was negotiating with Ward and they both scheduled tune ups prior to the big fight. That is essentially a one year contract with another boxer. Of course Chickenson would make all sorts of offers during a time in which Kovalev couldn't accept or would be dumb to. Please expound a little more on this theory because once again, smarter people than you in the sport have opposing views of the truth when it comes to Adonis and his clown moves.

Adonis Stevenson didn't "jump ship" to avoid Sergey Kovalev.

Stevenson's contract with HBO had expired and Haymon managed to secure him a more lucrative deal with Showtime.

Adonis and Haymon gave HBO an opportunity to outbid their rival network, but they chose not to... so HBO's own decision removed the possibility of a Stevenson-Kovalev fight.

Prior to that, HBO had previously announced to the media that they would refuse to work with Haymon ever again, unless it involved a marquee super-fight... and they even communicated this to the media. This was also cited during GBP's failed lawsuit against Haymon.

So this led to Haymon's fighters ultimately being unable to compete against anyone affiliated to HBO.

When Kovalev's own contract had eventually expired with HBO, Kathy Duva lobbied the WBC to instate Sergey as Adonis Stevenson's mandatory challenger (since the Russian was technically a network free agent at that particular point in time).

Kathy Duva had previously filed her own failed lawsuit against Haymon and her relationship with GYM was poor, so the mandated bout went straight to purse bids, instead of contract negotiation.

Kathy Duva then complained about the WBC's stipulated deadlines, telling everyone that they were unreasonable.

So the WBC caved into her demands and actually extended the deadlines.

Meanwhile, whilst all this was going on, Kathy Duva was negotiating with HBO to renew Kovalev's contract.

When HBO and Kathy had agreed the terms of their new contract, she immediately withdrew Kovalev from the WBC's purse bid process, claiming that she wasn't allowed to participate, in case she was outbid, since Sergey was exclusively tied to HBO - meaning that he was forbidden from competing on a rival network.

Since then, Kathy Duva has repeatedly claimed that a fight between Stevenson and Kovalev could now only take place if it was exclusively televised by HBO, regardless as to whether Showtime/GYM/Haymon could provide Sergey with a better payday by "crossing the street" for a one-off fight with Stevenson on Showtime.

Everything I've stated has been confirmed by all parties and is easily verifiable.

Regardless his reasons, Kovalev actually ducked Stevenson and no amount of diversionary tactics or insults can disprove this real-world fact!

You're obviously intent of blaming Stevenson for the dodgy shenanigans of HBO, Kathy Duva and Sergey Kovalev, whilst flatly-refusing to research and qualify the accuracy of your derogatory claims.

Therefore, you've become a fûckîng uneducated Lemming that decides to ride the bandwagon of ignorance ridden by the lazy mainstream masses, whereby a whole host of imbeciles buy into absolute fûckîng lies and exceptionally embellished half-truths... and that's an issue that only you have chosen to live with.

You couldn't have tried harder to find a way to overlook the main reason why this fight fell apart and it had nothing to do with anyone but Adonis Stevenson. You must be a defense lawyer or a wanna be ambulance chaser because this is some fine tap dancing that might actually get one or two jurors to vote to acquit with your reasoning but one or two fans does not win you an argument here.

Michel, Duva and HBO negotiated and agreed to splits and terms prior to the tune up fights and the fight was set to go for the Fall. Adonis's own promoter urged him to sign the deal but he would not. He inexplicably decided to stiff Michel and the work that was put in negotiating what would be this fighters most profitable fight in his career and sign with a promoter in Haymon that would absolutely eliminate the chance that this fight takes place.

Duva and Kovalev negotiated in good faith with Adonis's representation at the time. What else could they have done? Promoters agreed to terms and splits, that's the hard part. it's game on normally. Michel urged Adonis to sign the deal and he wouldn't. Adonis has been making chump change in every single fight compared to the dollars that were staring at him in the face in this one so we know that it wasn't about the money. Adonis got scared and did the only thing that he could do to get him out of facing Serge, sign with Haymon out of nowhere. That's it. He knew what that move meant and so do you. The chances of these parties negotiating a deal at all was minuscule never mind in time for a fight in the Fall of that year. No shot.

So again, you may have some luck in a court of law with this defense by snowballing one white trash juror with a 3rd grade education but you won't and haven't even come close to changing anyone's perception about this. One person made this fight impossible to make and it was Adonis, no one else.

What I wrote is factually-correct and cannot be proven to be untrue.

Your opinion, whilst clearly considered, utterly fails to undermine the accuracy of my post.

The contents of your reply is mostly speculation, coupled with your personal opinion, with both being completely unprovable and mostly fictional in nature.

Therefore, please address every single one of the points I listed, whilst supplying evidence of any inaccuracies or lies.

The main reason why I've issued this challenge, is because you'll very quickly realise (after performing your own research) that the events that actually took place in the real-world were described by the contents of my post, with remarkable accuracy.

I expect only two outcomes from our discussion, after you've researched these events for yourself, either you'll: abandon our conversation altogether, by refraining to comment on my list of facts; or you'll simply attempt to insult me... since you will almost certainly fail to disprove any of my claims.

[caldo2025]

Adonis Stevenson didn't "jump ship" to avoid Sergey Kovalev.

Stevenson's contract with HBO had expired and Haymon managed to secure him a more lucrative deal with Showtime.

Adonis and Haymon gave HBO an opportunity to outbid their rival network, but they chose not to... so HBO's own decision removed the possibility of a Stevenson-Kovalev fight.

Prior to that, HBO had previously announced to the media that they would refuse to work with Haymon ever again, unless it involved a marquee super-fight... and they even communicated this to the media. This was also cited during GBP's failed lawsuit against Haymon.

So this led to Haymon's fighters ultimately being unable to compete against anyone affiliated to HBO.

When Kovalev's own contract had eventually expired with HBO, Kathy Duva lobbied the WBC to instate Sergey as Adonis Stevenson's mandatory challenger (since the Russian was technically a network free agent at that particular point in time).

Kathy Duva had previously filed her own failed lawsuit against Haymon and her relationship with GYM was poor, so the mandated bout went straight to purse bids, instead of contract negotiation.

Kathy Duva then complained about the WBC's stipulated deadlines, telling everyone that they were unreasonable.

So the WBC caved into her demands and actually extended the deadlines.

Meanwhile, whilst all this was going on, Kathy Duva was negotiating with HBO to renew Kovalev's contract.

When HBO and Kathy had agreed the terms of their new contract, she immediately withdrew Kovalev from the WBC's purse bid process, claiming that she wasn't allowed to participate, in case she was outbid, since Sergey was exclusively tied to HBO - meaning that he was forbidden from competing on a rival network.

Since then, Kathy Duva has repeatedly claimed that a fight between Stevenson and Kovalev could now only take place if it was exclusively televised by HBO, regardless as to whether Showtime/GYM/Haymon could provide Sergey with a better payday by "crossing the street" for a one-off fight with Stevenson on Showtime.

Everything I've stated has been confirmed by all parties and is easily verifiable.

Regardless his reasons, Kovalev actually ducked Stevenson and no amount of diversionary tactics or insults can disprove this real-world fact!

You're obviously intent of blaming Stevenson for the dodgy shenanigans of HBO, Kathy Duva and Sergey Kovalev, whilst flatly-refusing to research and qualify the accuracy of your derogatory claims.

Therefore, you've become a fûckîng uneducated Lemming that decides to ride the bandwagon of ignorance ridden by the lazy mainstream masses, whereby a whole host of imbeciles buy into absolute fûckîng lies and exceptionally embellished half-truths... and that's an issue that only you have chosen to live with.

You couldn't have tried harder to find a way to overlook the main reason why this fight fell apart and it had nothing to do with anyone but Adonis Stevenson. You must be a defense lawyer or a wanna be ambulance chaser because this is some fine tap dancing that might actually get one or two jurors to vote to acquit with your reasoning but one or two fans does not win you an argument here.

Michel, Duva and HBO negotiated and agreed to splits and terms prior to the tune up fights and the fight was set to go for the Fall. Adonis's own promoter urged him to sign the deal but he would not. He inexplicably decided to stiff Michel and the work that was put in negotiating what would be this fighters most profitable fight in his career and sign with a promoter in Haymon that would absolutely eliminate the chance that this fight takes place.

Duva and Kovalev negotiated in good faith with Adonis's representation at the time. What else could they have done? Promoters agreed to terms and splits, that's the hard part. it's game on normally. Michel urged Adonis to sign the deal and he wouldn't. Adonis has been making chump change in every single fight compared to the dollars that were staring at him in the face in this one so we know that it wasn't about the money. Adonis got scared and did the only thing that he could do to get him out of facing Serge, sign with Haymon out of nowhere. That's it. He knew what that move meant and so do you. The chances of these parties negotiating a deal at all was minuscule never mind in time for a fight in the Fall of that year. No shot.

So again, you may have some luck in a court of law with this defense by snowballing one white trash juror with a 3rd grade education but you won't and haven't even come close to changing anyone's perception about this. One person made this fight impossible to make and it was Adonis, no one else.

What I wrote is factually-correct and cannot be proven to be untrue.

Your opinion, whilst clearly considered, utterly fails to undermine the accuracy of my post.

The contents of your reply is mostly speculation, coupled with your personal opinion, with both being completely unprovable and mostly fictional in nature.

Therefore, please address every single one of the points I listed, whilst supplying evidence of any inaccuracies or lies.

The main reason why I've issued this challenge, is because you'll very quickly realise (after performing your own research) that the events that actually took place in the real-world were described by the contents of my post, with remarkable accuracy.

I expect only two outcomes from our discussion, after you've researched these events for yourself, either you'll: abandon our conversation altogether, by refraining to comment on my list of facts; or you'll simply attempt to insult me... since you will almost certainly fail to disprove any of my claims.

Stevenson's contract with HBO had expired and Haymon managed to secure him a more lucrative deal with Showtime. Adonis and his team were the ones that said that they were not ready for a fight with Kovalev and that they wanted the tune up with Fonfara. Kovalev and HBO wanted the Kovalev and Stevenson fight to be the next fight but agreed to the terms. Michel and Duva agreed to the splits and revenue and both had to go back and get approval by their respective boxers and both confirmed back in email that their side was good with it. Then Adonis wanted the moon for the Fonfara fight and not guarantee the fight with Kovalev to HBO. WHY IN THE HELL WOULD HBO PAY FOR THAT WITHOUT A GUARANTEE TO THE FIGHT THEY HAD BEEN BUILDING FOR YEARS? silliness and nothing more than posturing. Adonis just didn't want to fight Kovalev, plain and simple. He talked to Haymon and GB about fighting Bhop instead because it was an easier fight. HE DIDN'T FIGHT EITHER ONE OF THEM and has been fighting junk for years now. Paleese dude.

Adonis and Haymon gave HBO an opportunity to outbid their rival network, but they chose not to... so HBO's own decision removed the possibility of a Stevenson-Kovalev fight. Michel is quoted as saying that had HBO agreed to match that he would have then gone back to Adonis for his final approval. HBO matching the bid meant absolutely nothing because it still had to be approved by Adonis AGAIN.

Prior to that, HBO had previously announced to the media that they would refuse to work with Haymon ever again, unless it involved a marquee super-fight... and they even communicated this to the media. This was also cited during GBP's failed lawsuit against Haymon.

So this led to Haymon's fighters ultimately being unable to compete against anyone affiliated to HBO. You are pretty much proving my point here. It was wide spread news that Haymon and HBO were at odds. Lampley said it multiple times on telecasts pointing to how Haymon's practices were killing the integrity of the game. Then, after agreeing to make this fight (Michel had executive power for Adonis and agreed to terms), Adonis seeks out Haymon to negotiate for him? How can you not say that this is a move that poisoned the well? You can't be that naive man. Please use your common sense here.

When Kovalev's own contract had eventually expired with HBO, Kathy Duva lobbied the WBC to instate Sergey as Adonis Stevenson's mandatory challenger (since the Russian was technically a network free agent at that particular point in time).

Kathy Duva had previously filed her own failed lawsuit against Haymon and her relationship with GYM was poor, so the mandated bout went straight to purse bids, instead of contract negotiation.

Kathy Duva then complained about the WBC's stipulated deadlines, telling everyone that they were unreasonable.

So the WBC caved into her demands and actually extended the deadlines.

Meanwhile, whilst all this was going on, Kathy Duva was negotiating with HBO to renew Kovalev's contract.

When HBO and Kathy had agreed the terms of their new contract, she immediately withdrew Kovalev from the WBC's purse bid process, claiming that she wasn't allowed to participate, in case she was outbid, since Sergey was exclusively tied to HBO - meaning that he was forbidden from competing on a rival network.

Since then, Kathy Duva has repeatedly claimed that a fight between Stevenson and Kovalev could now only take place if it was exclusively televised by HBO, regardless as to whether Showtime/GYM/Haymon could provide Sergey with a better payday by "crossing the street" for a one-off fight with Stevenson on Showtime. All of the rest of this jazz above is just a promoter protecting her fighter and her company. Don't you understand that none of this stuff happens had Haymon not been brought into the picture? Haymon was brought in specifically to bail Adonis out and give the boxer a reason to not fight Kovalev. One would only need to peruse the glaring difference between Adonis and Kovalev's opponents since negotiations broke down to see which opinion between the two of us holds water.

People blame HBO for not giving into Adonis's money demands but if you look at the evidence since it's all happened, Adonis probably wouldn't have signed the contract even if they did match it. THAT still had to be done afterwards and I wish that it got to that point so we could prove what a bum Adonis really is. You haven't sold me on this.

[Enlightened-One]

You couldn't have tried harder to find a way to overlook the main reason why this fight fell apart and it had nothing to do with anyone but Adonis Stevenson. You must be a defense lawyer or a wanna be ambulance chaser because this is some fine tap dancing that might actually get one or two jurors to vote to acquit with your reasoning but one or two fans does not win you an argument here.

Michel, Duva and HBO negotiated and agreed to splits and terms prior to the tune up fights and the fight was set to go for the Fall. Adonis's own promoter urged him to sign the deal but he would not. He inexplicably decided to stiff Michel and the work that was put in negotiating what would be this fighters most profitable fight in his career and sign with a promoter in Haymon that would absolutely eliminate the chance that this fight takes place.

Duva and Kovalev negotiated in good faith with Adonis's representation at the time. What else could they have done? Promoters agreed to terms and splits, that's the hard part. it's game on normally. Michel urged Adonis to sign the deal and he wouldn't. Adonis has been making chump change in every single fight compared to the dollars that were staring at him in the face in this one so we know that it wasn't about the money. Adonis got scared and did the only thing that he could do to get him out of facing Serge, sign with Haymon out of nowhere. That's it. He knew what that move meant and so do you. The chances of these parties negotiating a deal at all was minuscule never mind in time for a fight in the Fall of that year. No shot.

So again, you may have some luck in a court of law with this defense by snowballing one white trash juror with a 3rd grade education but you won't and haven't even come close to changing anyone's perception about this. One person made this fight impossible to make and it was Adonis, no one else.

What I wrote is factually-correct and cannot be proven to be untrue.

Your opinion, whilst clearly considered, utterly fails to undermine the accuracy of my post.

The contents of your reply is mostly speculation, coupled with your personal opinion, with both being completely unprovable and mostly fictional in nature.

Therefore, please address every single one of the points I listed, whilst supplying evidence of any inaccuracies or lies.

The main reason why I've issued this challenge, is because you'll very quickly realise (after performing your own research) that the events that actually took place in the real-world were described by the contents of my post, with remarkable accuracy.

I expect only two outcomes from our discussion, after you've researched these events for yourself, either you'll: abandon our conversation altogether, by refraining to comment on my list of facts; or you'll simply attempt to insult me... since you will almost certainly fail to disprove any of my claims.

Stevenson's contract with HBO had expired and Haymon managed to secure him a more lucrative deal with Showtime. Adonis and his team were the ones that said that they were not ready for a fight with Kovalev and that they wanted the tune up with Fonfara. Kovalev and HBO wanted the Kovalev and Stevenson fight to be the next fight but agreed to the terms. Michel and Duva agreed to the splits and revenue and both had to go back and get approval by their respective boxers and both confirmed back in email that their side was good with it. Then Adonis wanted the moon for the Fonfara fight and not guarantee the fight with Kovalev to HBO. WHY IN THE HELL WOULD HBO PAY FOR THAT WITHOUT A GUARANTEE TO THE FIGHT THEY HAD BEEN BUILDING FOR YEARS? silliness and nothing more than posturing. Adonis just didn't want to fight Kovalev, plain and simple. He talked to Haymon and GB about fighting Bhop instead because it was an easier fight. HE DIDN'T FIGHT EITHER ONE OF THEM and has been fighting junk for years now. Paleese dude.

Adonis and Haymon gave HBO an opportunity to outbid their rival network, but they chose not to... so HBO's own decision removed the possibility of a Stevenson-Kovalev fight. Michel is quoted as saying that had HBO agreed to match that he would have then gone back to Adonis for his final approval. HBO matching the bid meant absolutely nothing because it still had to be approved by Adonis AGAIN.

Prior to that, HBO had previously announced to the media that they would refuse to work with Haymon ever again, unless it involved a marquee super-fight... and they even communicated this to the media. This was also cited during GBP's failed lawsuit against Haymon.

So this led to Haymon's fighters ultimately being unable to compete against anyone affiliated to HBO. You are pretty much proving my point here. It was wide spread news that Haymon and HBO were at odds. Lampley said it multiple times on telecasts pointing to how Haymon's practices were killing the integrity of the game. Then, after agreeing to make this fight (Michel had executive power for Adonis and agreed to terms), Adonis seeks out Haymon to negotiate for him? How can you not say that this is a move that poisoned the well? You can't be that naive man. Please use your common sense here.

When Kovalev's own contract had eventually expired with HBO, Kathy Duva lobbied the WBC to instate Sergey as Adonis Stevenson's mandatory challenger (since the Russian was technically a network free agent at that particular point in time).

Kathy Duva had previously filed her own failed lawsuit against Haymon and her relationship with GYM was poor, so the mandated bout went straight to purse bids, instead of contract negotiation.

Kathy Duva then complained about the WBC's stipulated deadlines, telling everyone that they were unreasonable.

So the WBC caved into her demands and actually extended the deadlines.

Meanwhile, whilst all this was going on, Kathy Duva was negotiating with HBO to renew Kovalev's contract.

When HBO and Kathy had agreed the terms of their new contract, she immediately withdrew Kovalev from the WBC's purse bid process, claiming that she wasn't allowed to participate, in case she was outbid, since Sergey was exclusively tied to HBO - meaning that he was forbidden from competing on a rival network.

Since then, Kathy Duva has repeatedly claimed that a fight between Stevenson and Kovalev could now only take place if it was exclusively televised by HBO, regardless as to whether Showtime/GYM/Haymon could provide Sergey with a better payday by "crossing the street" for a one-off fight with Stevenson on Showtime. All of the rest of this jazz above is just a promoter protecting her fighter and her company. Don't you understand that none of this stuff happens had Haymon not been brought into the picture? Haymon was brought in specifically to bail Adonis out and give the boxer a reason to not fight Kovalev. One would only need to peruse the glaring difference between Adonis and Kovalev's opponents since negotiations broke down to see which opinion between the two of us holds water.

People blame HBO for not giving into Adonis's money demands but if you look at the evidence since it's all happened, Adonis probably wouldn't have signed the contract even if they did match it. THAT still had to be done afterwards and I wish that it got to that point so we could prove what a bum Adonis really is. You haven't sold me on this.

You have failed to address the vast majority of the factually-correct points that was detailed in my original post.

For those few points that you did attempt to challenge, you merely supplied your own personal unsubstantiated opinion about the matter.

I asked you to challenge my claims and provide evidence of any inaccuracies contained within my post, but you are clearly unable to do that, because you didn’t event make the effort.

Whilst you may personally be offended about the nature of the claims that I have made, it’s important to remember that it’s not my fault that “facts don’t care about your opinions”.

[caldo2025]

What I wrote is factually-correct and cannot be proven to be untrue.

Your opinion, whilst clearly considered, utterly fails to undermine the accuracy of my post.

The contents of your reply is mostly speculation, coupled with your personal opinion, with both being completely unprovable and mostly fictional in nature.

Therefore, please address every single one of the points I listed, whilst supplying evidence of any inaccuracies or lies.

The main reason why I've issued this challenge, is because you'll very quickly realise (after performing your own research) that the events that actually took place in the real-world were described by the contents of my post, with remarkable accuracy.

I expect only two outcomes from our discussion, after you've researched these events for yourself, either you'll: abandon our conversation altogether, by refraining to comment on my list of facts; or you'll simply attempt to insult me... since you will almost certainly fail to disprove any of my claims.

Stevenson's contract with HBO had expired and Haymon managed to secure him a more lucrative deal with Showtime. Adonis and his team were the ones that said that they were not ready for a fight with Kovalev and that they wanted the tune up with Fonfara. Kovalev and HBO wanted the Kovalev and Stevenson fight to be the next fight but agreed to the terms. Michel and Duva agreed to the splits and revenue and both had to go back and get approval by their respective boxers and both confirmed back in email that their side was good with it. Then Adonis wanted the moon for the Fonfara fight and not guarantee the fight with Kovalev to HBO. WHY IN THE HELL WOULD HBO PAY FOR THAT WITHOUT A GUARANTEE TO THE FIGHT THEY HAD BEEN BUILDING FOR YEARS? silliness and nothing more than posturing. Adonis just didn't want to fight Kovalev, plain and simple. He talked to Haymon and GB about fighting Bhop instead because it was an easier fight. HE DIDN'T FIGHT EITHER ONE OF THEM and has been fighting junk for years now. Paleese dude.

Adonis and Haymon gave HBO an opportunity to outbid their rival network, but they chose not to... so HBO's own decision removed the possibility of a Stevenson-Kovalev fight. Michel is quoted as saying that had HBO agreed to match that he would have then gone back to Adonis for his final approval. HBO matching the bid meant absolutely nothing because it still had to be approved by Adonis AGAIN.

Prior to that, HBO had previously announced to the media that they would refuse to work with Haymon ever again, unless it involved a marquee super-fight... and they even communicated this to the media. This was also cited during GBP's failed lawsuit against Haymon.

So this led to Haymon's fighters ultimately being unable to compete against anyone affiliated to HBO. You are pretty much proving my point here. It was wide spread news that Haymon and HBO were at odds. Lampley said it multiple times on telecasts pointing to how Haymon's practices were killing the integrity of the game. Then, after agreeing to make this fight (Michel had executive power for Adonis and agreed to terms), Adonis seeks out Haymon to negotiate for him? How can you not say that this is a move that poisoned the well? You can't be that naive man. Please use your common sense here.

When Kovalev's own contract had eventually expired with HBO, Kathy Duva lobbied the WBC to instate Sergey as Adonis Stevenson's mandatory challenger (since the Russian was technically a network free agent at that particular point in time).

Kathy Duva had previously filed her own failed lawsuit against Haymon and her relationship with GYM was poor, so the mandated bout went straight to purse bids, instead of contract negotiation.

Kathy Duva then complained about the WBC's stipulated deadlines, telling everyone that they were unreasonable.

So the WBC caved into her demands and actually extended the deadlines.

Meanwhile, whilst all this was going on, Kathy Duva was negotiating with HBO to renew Kovalev's contract.

When HBO and Kathy had agreed the terms of their new contract, she immediately withdrew Kovalev from the WBC's purse bid process, claiming that she wasn't allowed to participate, in case she was outbid, since Sergey was exclusively tied to HBO - meaning that he was forbidden from competing on a rival network.

Since then, Kathy Duva has repeatedly claimed that a fight between Stevenson and Kovalev could now only take place if it was exclusively televised by HBO, regardless as to whether Showtime/GYM/Haymon could provide Sergey with a better payday by "crossing the street" for a one-off fight with Stevenson on Showtime. All of the rest of this jazz above is just a promoter protecting her fighter and her company. Don't you understand that none of this stuff happens had Haymon not been brought into the picture? Haymon was brought in specifically to bail Adonis out and give the boxer a reason to not fight Kovalev. One would only need to peruse the glaring difference between Adonis and Kovalev's opponents since negotiations broke down to see which opinion between the two of us holds water.

People blame HBO for not giving into Adonis's money demands but if you look at the evidence since it's all happened, Adonis probably wouldn't have signed the contract even if they did match it. THAT still had to be done afterwards and I wish that it got to that point so we could prove what a bum Adonis really is. You haven't sold me on this.

You have failed to address the vast majority of the factually-correct points that was detailed in my original post.

For those few points that you did attempt to challenge, you merely supplied your own personal unsubstantiated opinion about the matter.

I asked you to challenge my claims and provide evidence of any inaccuracies contained within my post, but you are clearly unable to do that, because you didn’t event make the effort.

Whilst you may personally be offended about the nature of the claims that I have made, it’s important to remember that it’s not my fault that “facts don’t care about your opinions”.

All of your "facts" occur after Adonis poisoned the well by bringing in Haymon. That's a fact btw, not opinion. None of your facts even happen had Adonis not pulled the negotiations away from Michel in the first place and give them to Haymon. If all of your "facts" were true then why would Main Events bring litigation against GYM and Haymon for these matters?

#1 I can't see how anyone could be a fan of an ex pimp Adonis. #2 you fail to see how this fight never happened. #3 the track records between the two fighters prove to a blind man who ducked who.

You lost this one and i'm done talking to a brick wall that doesn't see the forest within the trees.

[Enlightened-One]

All of your "facts" occur after Adonis poisoned the well by bringing in Haymon. That's a fact btw, not opinion. None of your facts even happen had Adonis not pulled the negotiations away from Michel in the first place and give them to Haymon. If all of your "facts" were true then why would Main Events bring litigation against GYM and Haymon for these matters?

#1 I can't see how anyone could be a fan of an ex pimp Adonis. #2 you fail to see how this fight never happened. #3 the track records between the two fighters prove to a blind man who ducked who.

You lost this one and i'm done talking to a brick wall that doesn't see the forest within the trees.

If you don’t believe me, then there’s a good chance that you’ll believe the thoughts conveyed by other BoxRec forum members that were submitted back in April of 2015: "Main Events Backs Out Again" (click on the blue hyperlink text to review this thread)

Main Events & HBO will almost certainly use the very same tactics that HBO & Top Rank used against Mayweather Jr. by promoting their own fighter using their rivals name.

They’ll try to convince casual boxing observers by attacking Adonis Stevenson in the media again and again, by arguing that the WBC Canadian champion is “ducking” their man (Sergey Kovalev) in the hope that pure repetition alone will displace the truth.

HBO & Main Events are probably also hoping that fight fans have short-term memories, as they’ll be hopeful that we’ll forget the fact that they refuse to financially back their own man by participating in the WBC’s purse bids.

Kathy Duva will probably be hoping that we’ll also forget the fact that she negotiated Kovalev’s contract renewal with HBO (after the announcement of the WBC purse bid) knowing full-well that it would scupper any hopes of Sergey fighting Adonis Stevenson anytime soon.

I guarantee you that in twelve months’ time, assuming Stevenson & Kovalev are still champions, that many people that use this forum will once again be passionately arguing that Adonis is “ducking” the Russian… and they won’t be able to recollect the "HBO contract extension" or "WBC purse bid" issues.

The above post was submitted 26 months ago and this bold prediction that was proposed back then perfectly reflects the current widespread misconceptions held by the vast majority of the people that frequent this forum.

[Baby Face Finster]

Hardly surprising that Fergus is defending Chickenson seeing as it's one piece of shit defending another.