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[Seamus]

Are you outside the US Scartissue ? I've recently heard about alot of things being blocked. this may work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5AQFwE7iGo

[scartissue]

Now I had to go back and score that fight.

Thomas Hearns vs James Kinchen

R1.10-9 TH
R2.10-9 TH
R3.10-10 Even
R4.10-7 JK (Hearns down from a right-left combo to the end and also loses a pt for excessive holding)
R5.10-9 TH
R6.10-9 JK
R7.10-9 JK
R8.10-9 JK
R9.10-9 JK
R10.10-9 TH
R11.10-9 TH
R12.10-10 Even

James Kinchen 115-113

Hearns was very busy with his hands throughout the fight, but Kinchen took his shots well and pressed the attack better. A pretty good fight well worth watching.

Thanks, Seamus, I'll check out the Galaxy fight later. The link is good. In the meantime, I checked out one of your older posts, the bout between Tommy Hearns and James Kinchen. A very close one with some close rounds.

Round 1: 10-9 Hearns
Round 2: 10-9 Hearns
Round 3: 10-9 Hearns
Round 4: 10-7 Kinchen (Kinchen scores a knockdown and 1 point deducted from Hearns for holding)
Round 5: 10-9 Kinchen
Round 6: 10-9 Kinchen
Round 7: 10-9 Hearns
Round 8: 10-9 Kinchen
Round 9: 10-9 Hearns
Round 10: 10-10 Even (The version I saw had a shortened 10th round. In a fight as close as this it could be a game-changer)
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 Hearns

Total 114-114 Draw

On my card I placed a question mark after the 3rd round with a 'close to even' note. In truth, many of these were so close. Still, a good fight.

[Seamus]

Jose Napoles vs Armando Muniz I

R1.10-9 JN
R2.10-9 JN
R3.10-10 Even
R4.10-9 AM
R5.10-9 JN
R6.10-10 Even
R7.10-9 JN
R8.10-9 JN
R9.10-9 JN
R10.10-9 JN
R11.10-9 AM

Fight stopped due to cuts on Jose Napoles. Not sure of the reason, but the decision then went to judges who scored it for napoles by Split decision. I had Napoles ahead 108-103

Napoles clearly looked the better until the final minute of round 10. Muniz displayed alot of aggression and drove the Cuban around the ring and into the ropes, but he just wasn't busy enough with his hands. Napoles was always the more accurate puncher and consistently outlanded Muniz on the inside. The fight really became interesting when Muniz dominated the last minute of the 10th, won the 11th and was having the better of the 12th when the fight was stopped. Quite a bit of blood on moth men.

[scartissue]

Jose Napoles vs Armando Muniz I

R1.10-9 JN
R2.10-9 JN
R3.10-10 Even
R4.10-9 AM
R5.10-9 JN
R6.10-10 Even
R7.10-9 JN
R8.10-9 JN
R9.10-9 JN
R10.10-9 JN
R11.10-9 AM

Fight stopped due to cuts on Jose Napoles. Not sure of the reason, but the decision then went to judges who scored it for napoles by Split decision. I had Napoles ahead 108-103

Napoles clearly looked the better until the final minute of round 10. Muniz displayed alot of aggression and drove the Cuban around the ring and into the ropes, but he just wasn't busy enough with his hands. Napoles was always the more accurate puncher and consistently outlanded Muniz on the inside. The fight really became interesting when Muniz dominated the last minute of the 10th, won the 11th and was having the better of the 12th when the fight was stopped. Quite a bit of blood on moth men.

Seamus, so glad you checked this one out. It's been a personal thorn in my side since '75. I was such a fan of Muniz and he was so robbed in this one. Although the ref was the main culprit, there were a few more involved that had their hand in having Napoles retain his title. Anyways, here is what I wrote the last time I saw the bout.


I thought I would revisit one of the great robberies of the 20th century. I am referring to the first fight between Jose Napoles and Armando Muniz. Here is how I had it.

Round 1: 10-9 Napoles
Round 2: 10-9 Napoles
Round 3: 10-9 Napoles
Round 4: 10-9 Napoles
Round 5: 10-9 Napoles
Round 6: 10-9 Napoles
Round 7: 10-9 Napoles
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Napoles
Round 10: 10-9 Muniz
Round 11: 10-9 Muniz (Referee Ramon Berumen should have been arrested for allowing Napoles to land punch after punch to Muniz' nads)
Round 12: The fight is stopped by the ringside doctor due to the severity of Napoles' cuts, but the commission gives it to Napoles on a technical decision.

Total through 11 completed rounds: 108-102 with Napoles ahead

This fight was a disgrace. The ref later claimed that because he warned Muniz in rounds 3 and 5 for butting, that that was the reason for the technical decision. I'm unclear on the officials scores. According to boxrec there were scores of 106-106, 107-102 for Muniz and another score for Napoles. So how is it a technical win for Napoles? Regarding the claim of butts, they were infighting. Muniz was cut too. That's what happens when you're inside. And BTW, I only saw Berumen caution Muniz twice in the 4th round. There was no official warning. That was a travesty watching Napoles bang away below the belt in the 11th and seeing Berumen just stand there watching. I once read that Muniz stated that "Berumen was just waiting for me to retaliate so he could DQ me." I must admit that I was always a big Muniz fan and when I saw this bout on a telecast back in '75 that I almost jumped out of my skin when Muniz had Napoles almost out of there at the end of the 10th.

[Seamus]

I just starting thinking about that after watching the fight, Scartissue. While I did have Napoles ahead by 5 pts through 11, he looked like he was cut in both eyes and Muniz was starting to land. He had 4 more rds and Napoles was in trouble. If those cuts came from punches, which is what appeared to be the case, then Muniz was unfairly prevented from winning by stoppage.

[Seamus]

Couple more Rodriguez fights

Luis Manuel Rodriguez vs Luis Federico Thompson

I scored it a shutout for Rodriguez 10-0. Judges had it 9-1 9-1 7-3 and the UPI 8-1-1. Kinda hard to lose a fight when you throw about 10 times as many punches as your opponent. Rodriguez set a torrid pace from the opening bell and never looked back.

Emile Griffith vs Luis Manuel Rodriguez I

R1.EG
R2.LR
R3.EG
R4.Even
R5.LR
R6.EG
R7.Even
R8.Even
R9.Even
R10.LR

3-3-4 A Draw The judges had it 5-4 6-4 4-5 for Emile Griffith

Not a particularly entertaining fight. Pretty close right to the end, I scored 3 rds in a row even because both fighters engaged in alot of holding while neither managed to gain the upper hand. Griffith landed the harder shots, but Rodriguez was a little busier.

[Seamus]

Already forgot what I scored it, but I thought Luis Manuel Rodriguez beat Emile Griffith by a wide margin in there 4th bout. To those that claim that most of Rodriguez's punches to the body were blocked and that Griffith was throwing the ones with the mustard on them, I'll point out the obvious that Rodriguez was never slowed down by the supposedly harder punches of Griffith. This was really a bad series of fights for scoring. You can probably make a case for Rodriguez going 4-0 instead of 1-3.

[Mr.DW]

Ward-Kovalev I

Rd 1: Ward 10-9
Rd 2: Kovalev 8-10
Rd 3: Kovalev 9-10
Rd 4: Kovalev 9-10
Rd 5: Kovalev 9-10
Rd 6: Ward 10-9

Up until this point Kovalev seems to be pretty much in control with Ward just trying to survive. In rd 6 Ward is coming back and Kovalev can't get anything started. Kovalev looking tired as well.

Rd 7: Ward 10-9
Rd 8: Ward 10-9
Rd 9: Kovalev 9-10
Rd 10: Kovalev 9-10
Rd 11: Ward 10-9
Rd 12: Kovalev 9-10

112-115 Kovalev

This was actually a pretty hard fight to score. Depending upon which style you favor could greatly affect your scorecard. Kovalev's accuracy was horrible in this fight. It felt like on multiple occasions he would throw 4 punch combinations and miss every punch. Ward was rather inactive at parts but I have to give him major credit for his defense. He looked really good defensively. His body punching was on point. Kovalev was a head hunter out their most of the time, looked horrible. Something I felt Kovalev did well was his aggression and power punching. You could see every punch that landed hurt Ward.

My prediction for Ward-Kovalev II is Ward by UD.

[scartissue]

Are you outside the US Scartissue ? I've recently heard about alot of things being blocked. this may work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5AQFwE7iGo

Seamus, first of all let me say, thanks for this. This was a really good bout. Secondly, I was stunned when I looked at the scorecards after watching it. Here's how I had it.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-8 Castro (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Galaxy
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Castro
Round 6: 10-9 Galaxy
Round 7: 10-9 Castro
Round 8: 10-9 Castro
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Castro
Round 11: 10-8 Galaxy (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: 10-9 Castro

Total: 116-113 Castro

Galaxy had to have been wondering "Hey, I'm the big banger, why am I running, taking potshots and generally getting my butt kicked?" Castro's whirlwind attack had to seem quite foreign to him. And it was also quite effective in my book. He may have missed 2 out of 3, but there was another three shots headed towards Galaxy again, and again. Castro never gave him breathing room and despite taking some nice counters from Galaxy, he suffocated him with his attack. I really believe Castro was robbed here. What was your score?

[Seamus]

It shows up on search but for some reason I can't pull up my scorecard. Pretty certain I had it 115-112 for Castro.

[Seamus]

Found it

Khaosai Galaxy vs Armando Castro (Galaxy's final bout)

R1.10-9 AC
R2.10-8 AC (Galaxy down from a flurry punctuated by a right uppercut)
R3.10-9 AC
R4.10-9 AC
R5.10-9 AC
R6.10-9 AC
R7.10-9 AC
R8.10-9 KG
R9.10-9 KG
R10.10-9 KG
R11.10-8 KG (Castro down from a flurry to the head)
R12.10-10

Armando Castro 115-112

Now guys, I definitely want your opinions on this fight, which by the way was excellent. Armando Castro does the impossible in the first 7 rds, he swarms Galaxy, overpowers and outworks him and wins more of the exchanges. Then in the 8th, Galaxy turns boxer, and does himself proud with an impressive display of sticking and moving. In the 11th he has Castro in serious trouble, but doesn't follow up in the 12th. At the finish he comes up 3 pts short on my card, but the only judges who matter have Galaxy winning by 8-8-6 pts

[Seamus]

Sugar Ray Robinson vs Bobo Olson II

I gave Olson the 5th and had the 3rd and the 9th even. Not sure about the scoring system, but I had it 12-1-2 for Robinson, without any 2 pt rds, so I guess an 11 pt win.

[Seamus]

Time to get controversial.

Floyd Mayweather vs Zab Judah

R1.10-9 ZJ
R2.10-9 ZJ (Mayweather's glove touched for what should have been a knockdown, but I wouldn't have scored it 10-8)
R3.10-9 FM
R4.10-9 ZJ
R5.10-9 FM
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 FM
R8.10-10
R9.10-9 FM
R10.10-9 FM (Judah should have lost a pt for a low blow and a shot to the back of the head when Mayweather was down)
R11.10-9 ZJ
R12.10-9 ZJ

115-115 A Draw

If you think my scoring it as a draw is ridiculous, is that really worse than 2 judges having Mayweather winning by 10 and 6 pts ? Not a very exciting fight. When it was a chess match, Mayweather dominated with superior skill and speed. When Zab listened to his father and put heat on Floyd he won rounds.

[Ambling Alp II]

Really if the referee didn't deduct a point from Judah, you should not either. I believe then you actually would have had Judah winning. Of course we all know he just has to breath to get the round from the judges.

[Seamus]

I didn't deduct a pt from Judah. I said he should have lost a pt because that was pretty flagrant, 2 damaging punches and he got away with it. Some judges might have called the 2nd 10-8 for Judah if the knockdown had been called. I'm pretty sure at least one judge gave Whitaker a 10-8 rd vs De La Hoya when Oscar's glove touched the canvas.

[scartissue]

Jim Watt vs Sean O'Grady

R1.10-9 SO
R2.10-9 JW
R3.10-9 JW
R4.10-9 SO
R5.10-10 Even
R6.10-9 SO
R7.10-9 JW
R8.10-10 Even
R9.10-9 SO
R10.10-9 JW
R11.10-9 JW

Jim Watt 106-105 at time of the stoppage.

O'Grady was terribly unlucky to lose this
bout. By the 9th round he had Watt so bloody that his wife and kid left
there ringside seats, and a stoppage win for the American looked to be only
a round or two away, but in the 10th, O'Grady got the worst of what looked
like an unintentional clash of heads that opened a huge gash and immediately
changed the tempo of the bout. Watt's wife and kid returned, and the contest
was stopped in the 12th, with O'Grady now even bloodier than the Scotsman.

Rather strange buildup to the fight with some
Protestant extremist group threatening O'Grady's life, for posing with the
Celtic football team and sporting green trunks. Ironically, despite family
members having distinctly sounding Irish names, i,e Sean, Pat, Colleen, etc,
the O'Grady's were actually Baptists.

Seamus, checked this one out today and then I saw that you scored it as well. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Watt
Round 3: 10-9 Watt
Round 4: 10-9 O'Grady
Round 5: 10-9 Watt
Round 6: 10-9 O'Grady
Round 7: 10-9 Watt
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 O'Grady
Round 10: 10-9 Watt
Round 11: 10-9 Watt
Round 12: TKO win for Watt

Total through 11 completed rounds: 107-104 Watt

You and I are so close on this one, Seamus. It was a shame in the manner that it was stopped. After the 9th it looked like the handwriting was on the wall with the amount of damage O'Grady inflicted on Watt. But that is boxing. The ref should have taken a stern stance and at least warned them about the heads. This is going to happen when you get a southpaw with a right-hander, but he didn't appear to be a strong official. What can you do?

[Andrew]

Watched Hearns Leonard 2 yesterday madness that was a draw. I had it 115-111 Hearns.

[Seamus]

George Foreman vs Gregorio Peralta I

R1.GF
R2.GF
R3.GF
R4.GF
R5.GF (Foreman cut over the right eye)
R6.Even
R7.GF
R8.GP
R9.GF
R10.GP

George Foreman 7-2-1

What a performance from Peralta in a bout that should have been a blow out. A real moral victory for Peralta, who matched Foreman in the 2nd half and took 2 of the last 3 rds on my card. What really had to frustrating for Foreman in this fight was the fact that he landed plenty of hard shots, especially to the body, and Peralta never looked close to going down.

[Seamus]

Bob Foster vs Chris Finnegan

R1.BF
R2.BF
R3.BF
R4.BF
R5.Even
R6.Even
R7.CF
R8.Even
R9.CF
R10.BF (Finnegan down from a right to the jaw)
R11.BF
R12.BF
R13.BF

Bob Foster KO 14. Finnegan down for the count from another right to the jaw. I had it 8-2-3 for Foster at the time.

Not a bad fight, but certainly didn't deserve to be chosen the Fight of the Year. Competitive thru 9 and then Foster just coasted till he finished off Finnegan. Looking back again at Foster, I think I was alot more impressed with him in the 70's than I'am now. I think this guy would have had major difficulties against Michael Spinks or Qawi.

[Seamus]

Mike Tyson vs James "Quick" Tillis

R1.MT
R2.MT
R3.MT
R4.MT (Tillis down after getting hit with a left hook after a foolish lunge, in a rd he was clearly winning)
R5.MT
R6.Even
R7.MT (Tillis winning the rd till Tyson lands a few brutal shots near the end)
R8.JT
R9.JT
R10.MT (Tyson again pulls out the rd late)

Mike Tyson 7-2-1

From a boxing skills standpoint, this wasn't a good performance from Tyson, who didn't use alot of head movement and certainly didn't body punch enough. This was a fight Tillis would have won except for the fact that Iron Mike's power enabled him to win fights by landing a minimal number of punches. In retrospect you can see how Tyson had a tendency to become frustrated by never developing a Plan B when things weren't going his way.

[Ambling Alp II]

I remember I had Tyson winning 6 rounds to 4. I thought Tillis fight fought as well he was he did in any fight.

[Ambling Alp II]

George Foreman vs Gregorio Peralta I

R1.GF
R2.GF
R3.GF
R4.GF
R5.GF (Foreman cut over the right eye)
R6.Even
R7.GF
R8.GP
R9.GF
R10.GP

George Foreman 7-2-1

What a performance from Peralta in a bout that should have been a blow out. A real moral victory for Peralta, who matched Foreman in the 2nd half and took 2 of the last 3 rds on my card. What really had to frustrating for Foreman in this fight was the fact that he landed plenty of hard shots, especially to the body, and Peralta never looked close to going down.

To be fair to Foreman, he had been a pro for less than a year when this fight took place. He paced himself more in this fight and had no stamina troubles at all.

[Seamus]

I thought Foreman was looking weary in the last 3 vs Peralta.

[Seamus]

Vilomar Fernandez vs Alexis Arguello I

R1.AA
R2.AA
R3.VF
R4.Even
R5.VF
R6.AA
R7.VF
R8.VF
R9.VF
R10.AA

Vilomar Fernandez 5-4-1

Fernandez frustrated Arguello by going side to side and staying out of range for long periods only to suddenly attack with a left hook, a triple jab, an uppercut, or a 4 punch combination to the body. the judges had it 6-4, 5-5, 5-4-1 for Fernandez.

[Seamus]

Roberto Duran vs Vilomar Fernandez

R1.10-9 RD
R2.10-9 RD
R3.10-9 RD
R4.10-9 RD
R5.10-10 Even
R6.10-10 Even
R7.10-9 RD
R8.10-9 VF
R9.10-9 RD
R10.10-8 RD (Fernandez down from a left to the groin)
R11.10-9 RD
R12.10-8 RD (Fernandez doesn't go down but is punished badly)

Roberto Duran KO 13 (Fernandez dropped for the count by a left hook to the body) 119-109 Duran on my card at the time.

Unlike Arguello, Duran wore down Fernandez with a relentless body attack. The Dominican fighter was game and won some exchanges, but frequently when he caught Duran with a good shot, it was immediately answered with a flurry of combos. Fernandez should have been given a rest and a pt should have been deducted from Duran in the 10th for the obvious low blow.