Errol Spence: Pick an opponent for him
Re: Errol Spence: Pick an opponent for him
Trust,that Spence is the last one Thurman wants to see. Errol is all wrong for him,and Keith knows that. Keith would have to get him outta there inside 4 rounds or he's toast,no chance. But I think Spence can take the shots and break him down no matter what Keith brings.
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Ruthless-RKO
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Why do people say this? It was said after the GGG fight.. it's a 12 round fight.. Brook was broken down each round in both fights, eventually being stopped due to an injury that his opponent caused..caldo2025 wrote:Had Brook not broken another freaking eye, that fight was in serious doubt. Thurman would have demolished Brook. No doubt in my mind.
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sweetjebus
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nobody on that poll would get past 6 rounds the way he's looking right now
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SaadOffTheDeck
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Agreed, Thurman isn't really a puncher.Ruthless-RKO wrote:Why do people say this? It was said after the GGG fight.. it's a 12 round fight.. Brook was broken down each round in both fights, eventually being stopped due to an injury that his opponent caused..caldo2025 wrote:Had Brook not broken another freaking eye, that fight was in serious doubt. Thurman would have demolished Brook. No doubt in my mind.
Re: Errol Spence: Pick an opponent for him
The more I think about it, why won't they match Danny Garcia up with Spence next? DG has no fight scheduled. It would be a chance for DG to show he is one of the elite welterweights. I doubt if Haymon will set the fight up, or Garcia's team will agree to it, but it would be an awesome fight. Lamont Peterson beat DG in my opinion when they fought, so that would be possibly a stiffer challenge for Spence.
Re: Errol Spence: Pick an opponent for him
I don't think that's fair to say of Thurman. Spence Jr was not a mandatory challenger and any champion would be stupid to go out of their way to give Spence a title shot at that point. Spence is just now starting to get a fan base and the fight would have made peanuts. Spence's management team has done a horrible job marketing this fighter. I know that Thurman expected that he'd be fighting Spence eventually so it would be foolish to not let that matchup marinate and build up to cash in on it. I think that these two guys are clearly the best two WW's in the world and will meet within 2 years on PPV and it will do really well.Badhusker wrote:You could say that the GGG fight with Brook was in serious doubt too, but it would be equally wrong. I'm not so sure Thurman would have demolished Brook. They both beat Porter in close fights. I think a lot of Thurman, but if he really wanted to fight Spence, he could have for a belt two years ago, but instead he opted for Collazo, who was fresh off a serious ass whipping by mighty Khan. Thurman said didn't deserve to fight him, but Collazo did?caldo2025 wrote:The TOP fight to make in boxing after GGG-Canelo is Thurman-Spence Jr. Make no mistake about that. That is a fight that will absolutely LAUNCH the winning fighter to the top of the sport. I am NOT a Thurman fan but I have to admit that he needs to be considered a top P4P boxer now after his recent wins. He's the top dog at WW, Boxing's most competitive division, so how can he not be in the top 5?
Thurman knocks out Spence Jr in my opinion if they fight early next year. This is a situation where i feel that the longer that Thurman waits to fight Spence, the harder the fight is going to be. I was not overly impressed with Spence's performance against Brook. Had Brook not broken another freaking eye, that fight was in serious doubt. Thurman would have demolished Brook. No doubt in my mind.
Brook was lucky to survive the early rounds against GGG and I didn't even have Brook winning a round in that fight. But I had Brook manhandling Spence and up after 7 rounds. Perhaps the weight loss hurt his conditioning and he couldn't keep up the pace...hence the clear shots to the eye he took after but Brook was looking great for a large portion of that fight. not even close to the GGG performance.
Re: Errol Spence: Pick an opponent for him
I was referring to the Spence fight. I had Brook up in that fight and outclassing Spence until he hurt the eye in the 7th round. I didn't have Brook winning a round against GGG and that fight was just a matter of time. I didn't feel that way with Brook against Spence. Brook appeared to be the better fighter in the ring for most of that fight. Just my opinion.Ruthless-RKO wrote:Why do people say this? It was said after the GGG fight.. it's a 12 round fight.. Brook was broken down each round in both fights, eventually being stopped due to an injury that his opponent caused..caldo2025 wrote:Had Brook not broken another freaking eye, that fight was in serious doubt. Thurman would have demolished Brook. No doubt in my mind.
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Re: Errol Spence: Pick an opponent for him
Regardless of outclassing though, (which I don't agree with, but that's just my opinion), I actually had it close after 7 rounds. It was Spence who worked the body and the jabs to the face which broke down Brook. That's why I said it's a 12 round fight. I'm not trying to insult you just to say, trying to get an understanding of the statement you made..caldo2025 wrote:I was referring to the Spence fight. I had Brook up in that fight and outclassing Spence until he hurt the eye in the 7th round. I didn't have Brook winning a round against GGG and that fight was just a matter of time. I didn't feel that way with Brook against Spence. Brook appeared to be the better fighter in the ring for most of that fight. Just my opinion.Ruthless-RKO wrote:Why do people say this? It was said after the GGG fight.. it's a 12 round fight.. Brook was broken down each round in both fights, eventually being stopped due to an injury that his opponent caused..caldo2025 wrote:Had Brook not broken another freaking eye, that fight was in serious doubt. Thurman would have demolished Brook. No doubt in my mind.
Believe me, After Ward beat Kovalev, many posters on forums where saying, because Ward got dropped, he should have definately lost lol oh 'How did Ward win the decision when he got dropped'
Re: Errol Spence: Pick an opponent for him
No, you're right. Brook's eye socket was broken as a result of Spence's pressure and he deserves the credit for it. I don't think that Brook has a faulty bone structure in his face or anything so you're right, Spence got the win because of what he did in there and it wasn't as a result of Brook's condition. But you could tell that the fight was pretty much over when Brook started pawing at his eye. How anyone could fight like that especially after breaking the other eye in the previous fight is beyond me.Ruthless-RKO wrote:Regardless of outclassing though, (which I don't agree with, but that's just my opinion), I actually had it close after 7 rounds. It was Spence who worked the body and the jabs to the face which broke down Brook. That's why I said it's a 12 round fight. I'm not trying to insult you just to say, trying to get an understanding of the statement you made..caldo2025 wrote:I was referring to the Spence fight. I had Brook up in that fight and outclassing Spence until he hurt the eye in the 7th round. I didn't have Brook winning a round against GGG and that fight was just a matter of time. I didn't feel that way with Brook against Spence. Brook appeared to be the better fighter in the ring for most of that fight. Just my opinion.Ruthless-RKO wrote:
Why do people say this? It was said after the GGG fight.. it's a 12 round fight.. Brook was broken down each round in both fights, eventually being stopped due to an injury that his opponent caused..
Believe me, After Ward beat Kovalev, many posters on forums where saying, because Ward got dropped, he should have definately lost lol oh 'How did Ward win the decision when he got dropped'
I had a problem with Ward winning that fight after being dropped and losing at least 5 rounds. Mathematically, it can't make sense to me. I don't think that there's any way you could score that fight honestly and not give Kovalev at least 5 rounds. 5 rounds and a knockdown is a draw. Even a Ward fan could admit that. There was perhaps 2 rounds in that fight that i can see Ward definitely won. If Ward won the rounds convincingly then I wouldn't have complained but to me, judges had to go out of their way to come to that decision.
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Ruthless-RKO
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Re: Errol Spence: Pick an opponent for him
So you had the Ward-Kovalev fight a draw? Close fight regardless. I'm not going to judge how you judge fights, it's your opinion. Just like I have my own opinion.caldo2025 wrote:No, you're right. Brook's eye socket was broken as a result of Spence's pressure and he deserves the credit for it. I don't think that Brook has a faulty bone structure in his face or anything so you're right, Spence got the win because of what he did in there and it wasn't as a result of Brook's condition. But you could tell that the fight was pretty much over when Brook started pawing at his eye. How anyone could fight like that especially after breaking the other eye in the previous fight is beyond me.Ruthless-RKO wrote:Regardless of outclassing though, (which I don't agree with, but that's just my opinion), I actually had it close after 7 rounds. It was Spence who worked the body and the jabs to the face which broke down Brook. That's why I said it's a 12 round fight. I'm not trying to insult you just to say, trying to get an understanding of the statement you made..caldo2025 wrote:
I was referring to the Spence fight. I had Brook up in that fight and outclassing Spence until he hurt the eye in the 7th round. I didn't have Brook winning a round against GGG and that fight was just a matter of time. I didn't feel that way with Brook against Spence. Brook appeared to be the better fighter in the ring for most of that fight. Just my opinion.
Believe me, After Ward beat Kovalev, many posters on forums where saying, because Ward got dropped, he should have definately lost lol oh 'How did Ward win the decision when he got dropped'
I had a problem with Ward winning that fight after being dropped and losing at least 5 rounds. Mathematically, it can't make sense to me. I don't think that there's any way you could score that fight honestly and not give Kovalev at least 5 rounds. 5 rounds and a knockdown is a draw. Even a Ward fan could admit that. There was perhaps 2 rounds in that fight that i can see Ward definitely won. If Ward won the rounds convincingly then I wouldn't have complained but to me, judges had to go out of their way to come to that decision.
What's amazing is, the eye which Brook had surgery on, looked untouched. Whether Spence focused on one side of Brook's face, i'm not sure.. But If he can have successful surgery again, I don't think his eyes should be much of an issue. Only thing is, he;ll have about the same power as the guys in 154.. He might start having to go the distance more.. But if he can make weight without killing himself, he can focus his training on other things.
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No, I had Kovalev winning 7 rounds plus the extra point for the knockdown. But I do think that Kovalev lost most of rounds in the second half of the fight and for some reason, i don't know if judges can go back and change their scorecards for the earlier rounds when this happens, but the boxer that wins the second half of the fight usually gets the nod for some reason. Ward looked stronger at the end of the fight than Kovalev and I really think that matters in judges eyes. But I just think that Kovalev had banked too many points for Ward to win the fight. The action was too tight for most of those rounds to give them ALL to Ward especially when he didn't land anything significant the whole night.Ruthless-RKO wrote:So you had the Ward-Kovalev fight a draw? Close fight regardless. I'm not going to judge how you judge fights, it's your opinion. Just like I have my own opinion.caldo2025 wrote:No, you're right. Brook's eye socket was broken as a result of Spence's pressure and he deserves the credit for it. I don't think that Brook has a faulty bone structure in his face or anything so you're right, Spence got the win because of what he did in there and it wasn't as a result of Brook's condition. But you could tell that the fight was pretty much over when Brook started pawing at his eye. How anyone could fight like that especially after breaking the other eye in the previous fight is beyond me.Ruthless-RKO wrote:
Regardless of outclassing though, (which I don't agree with, but that's just my opinion), I actually had it close after 7 rounds. It was Spence who worked the body and the jabs to the face which broke down Brook. That's why I said it's a 12 round fight. I'm not trying to insult you just to say, trying to get an understanding of the statement you made..
Believe me, After Ward beat Kovalev, many posters on forums where saying, because Ward got dropped, he should have definately lost lol oh 'How did Ward win the decision when he got dropped'
I had a problem with Ward winning that fight after being dropped and losing at least 5 rounds. Mathematically, it can't make sense to me. I don't think that there's any way you could score that fight honestly and not give Kovalev at least 5 rounds. 5 rounds and a knockdown is a draw. Even a Ward fan could admit that. There was perhaps 2 rounds in that fight that i can see Ward definitely won. If Ward won the rounds convincingly then I wouldn't have complained but to me, judges had to go out of their way to come to that decision.
What's amazing is, the eye which Brook had surgery on, looked untouched. Whether Spence focused on one side of Brook's face, i'm not sure.. But If he can have successful surgery again, I don't think his eyes should be much of an issue. Only thing is, he;ll have about the same power as the guys in 154.. He might start having to go the distance more.. But if he can make weight without killing himself, he can focus his training on other things.
Brook's got a unique style though that i think will travel well up the scale. He singes everyone's sting with the way he utilizes his strength inside. I love the work he does inside. I don't think that he gets enough credit for how strong that guy is. He manhandled a dirty strong fighter in Porter and he pushed Spence around most of the fight as well. I'd love to see him fresh, inside the ring without being drained by sucking weight. No sense of him sticking around 147 anymore.