Why Canelo vs. GGG will be HORRIBLE for the Sport

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I don't feel that will happen... Canelo has created enough ill will to have some people against him. Golovkin is good for the sport. A great person.

Golovkin is such a superior boxer and puncher that he's going to put that jab on Canelo like nobody's business.. I think GGG was a little over trained for Jacobs it was such a tough opponent.. For this fight he'll be right.. He has the height, range, power, and skill advantages.. It may not even get to the judges.
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caldo2025 wrote:We've all been clamoring for this fight for a long time and now that we have it in bold as THE top tilt in one of the best years of Boxing, I'm here to tell you that Boxing is going to shoot themselves in the foot again with this one. Just like Manny and Floyd's snooze fest that reminded casual boxing fans why they turned their back on the sport, this fight will do the same exact thing but for different reasons.

Some of those disappointed casual fans will come back for this fight and tune in hoping that it will dull the sting still felt from Manny and Floyd. The movie stars, athletes, millionaires will once again splurge for the top ringside seats and all of the networks will once again have their eyes on the sport of Boxing for this "Can't Miss" fight.

It can miss and it will miss. The action inside the ring will be excellent as i have no doubt about that. Both guys bang and are not fleet of foot so it will be an eye pleasing fight. But both guys have granite chins. No one is getting knocked down or knocked out so this fight is definitely going to the cards. THIS IS WHERE BOXING IS GOING TO BLOW IT. I feel that GGG is going to win this fight comfortably and decisively but will lose it on the cards. There will be a bunch of close rounds and Canelo is going to win all of them on the cards. Canelo has benefitted by generous, sometimes obscenely favorable, scorecards. This fight will be no different but maybe worse than we've ever seen. It will blemish what should have been a fantastic fight and night for the sport of Boxing. No chance of them not blowing this one.
The judges will have no input into this fight because as soon as canelo feels GGG's power he will fold like a deck chair
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I have no preconceptions. I'm just going to watch the fight unfold and savour every moment. It is possible that for whatever reason it may disappoint or have a controversial conclusion, but until that happens I'm hoping and expecting a great fight between two excellent exponents of the art of boxing.
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I think neither guy will go for the kill.
Canelo should have ended Chavez in the mid rounds.
Golovkin should have brought out the fireworks and ended Lemieux earlier.

I guess I'm hard to please, but I want a f*cking FIGHT
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It seems that people want to aggressively propose the idea that the judges will be biased in favour of Canelo in order to justify their subsequent outrage and accusations of "ROBBERY" if the decision (from an evenly-contested bout) isn't awarded to Golovkin.

We've already seen the same ploy used for the Ward-Kovalev rematch.

This shît is getting really fùckīng tedious!

It's fūckīng bûllshît to persistently accuse all American judges of being corrupt, unless the accuser happens to be an ignorant racist möthèrfùckër!
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Enlightened-One wrote:It seems that people want to aggressively propose the idea that the judges will be biased in favour of Canelo in order to justify their subsequent outrage and accusations of "ROBBERY" if the decision (from an evenly-contested bout) isn't awarded to Golovkin.

We've already seen the same ploy used for the Ward-Kovalev rematch.

This shît is getting really fùckīng tedious!

It's fūckīng bûllshît to persistently accuse all American judges of being corrupt, unless the accuser happens to be an ignorant racist möthèrfùckër!
Expecting Canelo to receive preferential treatment from the judges is hardly a stretch of the imagination and you know it.
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Chippo wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:It seems that people want to aggressively propose the idea that the judges will be biased in favour of Canelo in order to justify their subsequent outrage and accusations of "ROBBERY" if the decision (from an evenly-contested bout) isn't awarded to Golovkin.

We've already seen the same ploy used for the Ward-Kovalev rematch.

This shît is getting really fùckīng tedious!

It's fūckīng bûllshît to persistently accuse all American judges of being corrupt, unless the accuser happens to be an ignorant racist möthèrfùckër!
Racist?!
In the UK, the legal definition of a racial group that is used to determine illegal racist behaviour includes derogatory opinions of nationalities.

So technically-speaking, if someone keeps accusing Americans of being "corrupt", without due cause or even knowing those individuals, then they are technically "racist".

This is something that cannot even be argued, since the same people expecting Golovkin to be "ROBBED" against Canelo also persistently claim that American judges "ROBBED" other fighters too.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
Chippo wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:It seems that people want to aggressively propose the idea that the judges will be biased in favour of Canelo in order to justify their subsequent outrage and accusations of "ROBBERY" if the decision (from an evenly-contested bout) isn't awarded to Golovkin.

We've already seen the same ploy used for the Ward-Kovalev rematch.

This shît is getting really fùckīng tedious!

It's fūckīng bûllshît to persistently accuse all American judges of being corrupt, unless the accuser happens to be an ignorant racist möthèrfùckër!
Racist?!
In the UK, the legal definition of a racial group that is used to determine illegal racist behaviour includes derogatory opinions of nationalities.

So technically-speaking, if someone keeps accusing Americans of being "corrupt", without due cause or even knowing those individuals, then they are technically "racist".

This is something that cannot even be argued, since the same people expecting Golovkin to be "ROBBED" against Canelo also persistently claim that American judges "ROBBED" other fighters too.
Get off your high horse EO are you having a bad day. What a ridiculous over the top post
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caldo2025 wrote:We've all been clamoring for this fight for a long time and now that we have it in bold as THE top tilt in one of the best years of Boxing, I'm here to tell you that Boxing is going to shoot themselves in the foot again with this one. Just like Manny and Floyd's snooze fest that reminded casual boxing fans why they turned their back on the sport, this fight will do the same exact thing but for different reasons.

Some of those disappointed casual fans will come back for this fight and tune in hoping that it will dull the sting still felt from Manny and Floyd. The movie stars, athletes, millionaires will once again splurge for the top ringside seats and all of the networks will once again have their eyes on the sport of Boxing for this "Can't Miss" fight.

It can miss and it will miss. The action inside the ring will be excellent as i have no doubt about that. Both guys bang and are not fleet of foot so it will be an eye pleasing fight. But both guys have granite chins. No one is getting knocked down or knocked out so this fight is definitely going to the cards. THIS IS WHERE BOXING IS GOING TO BLOW IT. I feel that GGG is going to win this fight comfortably and decisively but will lose it on the cards. There will be a bunch of close rounds and Canelo is going to win all of them on the cards. Canelo has benefitted by generous, sometimes obscenely favorable, scorecards. This fight will be no different but maybe worse than we've ever seen. It will blemish what should have been a fantastic fight and night for the sport of Boxing. No chance of them not blowing this one.

Strange post. If Canelo's chin holds up then it's going to be 12 rounds of swapping big punches. Neither of them will know what to do if they need to retreat.

In reality i think Canelo get's broken down and stopped in the mid rounds.
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Kalan wrote:I don't feel that will happen... Canelo has created enough ill will to have some people against him. Golovkin is good for the sport. A great person.

Golovkin is such a superior boxer and puncher that he's going to put that jab on Canelo like nobody's business.. I think GGG was a little over trained for Jacobs it was such a tough opponent.. For this fight he'll be right.. He has the height, range, power, and skill advantages.. It may not even get to the judges.
I think financially, Canelo is better for the sport and is the cash cow to be protected.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
Chippo wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:It seems that people want to aggressively propose the idea that the judges will be biased in favour of Canelo in order to justify their subsequent outrage and accusations of "ROBBERY" if the decision (from an evenly-contested bout) isn't awarded to Golovkin.

We've already seen the same ploy used for the Ward-Kovalev rematch.

This shît is getting really fùckīng tedious!

It's fūckīng bûllshît to persistently accuse all American judges of being corrupt, unless the accuser happens to be an ignorant racist möthèrfùckër!
Racist?!
In the UK, the legal definition of a racial group that is used to determine illegal racist behaviour includes derogatory opinions of nationalities.

So technically-speaking, if someone keeps accusing Americans of being "corrupt", without due cause or even knowing those individuals, then they are technically "racist".

This is something that cannot even be argued, since the same people expecting Golovkin to be "ROBBED" against Canelo also persistently claim that American judges "ROBBED" other fighters too.
There are obvious robberies all the time in boxing - some are due to incompetence, some are due to corruption. It happens in America and it happens just about everywhere else as well. I agree there is some anti-American bias from some of the posters here, but I'd also say the majority of those expecting Canelo to get favours from judges are not biased or racist, they're just looking at his track record.

For the record, I don't think Canelo has ever won a fight in a robbery decision. The Trout and Lara fights were close enough they could have been fairly scored either way and he deserved a close points win over Cotto (though I wouldn't argue with anyone who had it close for Cotto). He got his deserved L against Mayweather too, the problem is the frequency of lopsided and unreasonable scorecards in Canelo's favour in so many of his fights - well, all the ones I've mentioned here and you can add in the Khan fight, where he was somehow ahead on the cards too before getting the stoppage.
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Ossyrules wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
Chippo wrote:
Racist?!
In the UK, the legal definition of a racial group that is used to determine illegal racist behaviour includes derogatory opinions of nationalities.

So technically-speaking, if someone keeps accusing Americans of being "corrupt", without due cause or even knowing those individuals, then they are technically "racist".

This is something that cannot even be argued, since the same people expecting Golovkin to be "ROBBED" against Canelo also persistently claim that American judges "ROBBED" other fighters too.
Get off your high horse EO are you having a bad day. What a ridiculous over the top post
What's so "ridiculous" and "over the top" about criticising those that persistently accuse American judges of being corrupt?

If I persistently alleged that all Eastern European judges were corrupt, the entire forum would likely be outraged and I'd possibly receive a ban.

I flatly-refuse to criticise a set of people (from a particular racial group) that I don't know, have never met and have yet to do anything wrong, but according to several forum posters, their corruption in the Canelo-GGG fight is already a foregone conclusion.

How can you support that?
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Reasonable suggestion. This might very well happen. GGG could outwork Canelo 2 to 1. Everyone will think he won and if the decision goes the other way expect lot of frustration.
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That why I'm betting over rounds. I need a clear winner if not at least I'll win some money. Similar too Ward-Kovalev 2. I need a clear decisive winner so i'll take the over rounds in both. If I lose at least it probably will be a decisive winner.
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While I acknowledge that an undeserving decision going Canelo's way is certainly something I could see in a close fight. I sincerely believe Golovkin is going to come on too strong for him to be able to handle in the 2nd half. By the end of the fight there will be absolutely no doubt who the winner is and there will be no way they could take it away from Golovkin.

If Canelo lasts the distance I doubt very much he does so without ever hitting the canvas or getting busted up something fierce along the way. He won't look like the winner.
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If the fight plays out like that it would be good for boxing.
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gilgamesh wrote:While I acknowledge that an undeserving decision going Canelo's way is certainly something I could see in a close fight. I sincerely believe Golovkin is going to come on too strong for him to be able to handle in the 2nd half. By the end of the fight there will be absolutely no doubt who the winner is and there will be no way they could take it away from Golovkin.

If Canelo lasts the distance I doubt very much he does so without ever hitting the canvas or getting busted up something fierce along the way. He won't look like the winner.
Floyd dominated Canelo and still got didn't get UD. At least one judge will have Canelo winning at the weight in. Golovkin best hope is SD. No matter he does other than stopping Canelo he can win as many rounds as Floyd did. I think there's a reason why ONLY ONE SIDE has a rematch clause. To me it sets up perfectly for Canelo, past history benefits and rematch clause, time frame, location all points to Canelo getting the benefit of the doubt.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote: In the UK, the legal definition of a racial group that is used to determine illegal racist behaviour includes derogatory opinions of nationalities.

So technically-speaking, if someone keeps accusing Americans of being "corrupt", without due cause or even knowing those individuals, then they are technically "racist".

This is something that cannot even be argued, since the same people expecting Golovkin to be "ROBBED" against Canelo also persistently claim that American judges "ROBBED" other fighters too.
Get off your high horse EO are you having a bad day. What a ridiculous over the top post
What's so "ridiculous" and "over the top" about criticising those that persistently accuse American judges of being corrupt?

If I persistently alleged that all Eastern European judges were corrupt, the entire forum would likely be outraged and I'd possibly receive a ban.

I flatly-refuse to criticise a set of people (from a particular racial group) that I don't know, have never met and have yet to do anything wrong, but according to several forum posters, their corruption in the Canelo-GGG fight is already a foregone conclusion.

How can you support that?
If there's one thing this forum has its people moan about robberies just about everywhere. i dont support racism but there's clearly no racism here. People question the integrity of golden boy operation with regards to canelo, but let's face it, he isn't the first and won't be the last to be talked about in this way.
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world ranked wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:While I acknowledge that an undeserving decision going Canelo's way is certainly something I could see in a close fight. I sincerely believe Golovkin is going to come on too strong for him to be able to handle in the 2nd half. By the end of the fight there will be absolutely no doubt who the winner is and there will be no way they could take it away from Golovkin.

If Canelo lasts the distance I doubt very much he does so without ever hitting the canvas or getting busted up something fierce along the way. He won't look like the winner.
Floyd dominated Canelo and still got didn't get UD. At least one judge will have Canelo winning at the weight in. Golovkin best hope is SD. No matter he does other than stopping Canelo he can win as many rounds as Floyd did. I think there's a reason why ONLY ONE SIDE has a rematch clause. To me it sets up perfectly for Canelo, past history benefits and rematch clause, time frame, location all points to Canelo getting the benefit of the doubt.
Outboxing a guy doesn't leave the same impression on people as busting a guy's face to a bloody pulp. GGG is gonna do that, and he's gonna win.
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gilgamesh wrote:
world ranked wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:While I acknowledge that an undeserving decision going Canelo's way is certainly something I could see in a close fight. I sincerely believe Golovkin is going to come on too strong for him to be able to handle in the 2nd half. By the end of the fight there will be absolutely no doubt who the winner is and there will be no way they could take it away from Golovkin.

If Canelo lasts the distance I doubt very much he does so without ever hitting the canvas or getting busted up something fierce along the way. He won't look like the winner.
Floyd dominated Canelo and still got didn't get UD. At least one judge will have Canelo winning at the weight in. Golovkin best hope is SD. No matter he does other than stopping Canelo he can win as many rounds as Floyd did. I think there's a reason why ONLY ONE SIDE has a rematch clause. To me it sets up perfectly for Canelo, past history benefits and rematch clause, time frame, location all points to Canelo getting the benefit of the doubt.
Outboxing a guy doesn't leave the same impression on people as busting a guy's face to a bloody pulp. GGG is gonna do that, and he's gonna win.
GGG ain't busting up Canelo no more than he did Jacobs. And that wasn't a bloody pulp.
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world ranked wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
world ranked wrote:
Floyd dominated Canelo and still got didn't get UD. At least one judge will have Canelo winning at the weight in. Golovkin best hope is SD. No matter he does other than stopping Canelo he can win as many rounds as Floyd did. I think there's a reason why ONLY ONE SIDE has a rematch clause. To me it sets up perfectly for Canelo, past history benefits and rematch clause, time frame, location all points to Canelo getting the benefit of the doubt.
Outboxing a guy doesn't leave the same impression on people as busting a guy's face to a bloody pulp. GGG is gonna do that, and he's gonna win.
GGG ain't busting up Canelo no more than he did Jacobs. And that wasn't a bloody pulp.
We'll see. Canelo can't move around the ring as efficiently as Jacobs, and he's always been known to fight in spots so I believe he'll take plenty of punishment. It's gonna be fun to find out.
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gilgamesh wrote:
world ranked wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
Outboxing a guy doesn't leave the same impression on people as busting a guy's face to a bloody pulp. GGG is gonna do that, and he's gonna win.
GGG ain't busting up Canelo no more than he did Jacobs. And that wasn't a bloody pulp.
We'll see. Canelo can't move around the ring as efficiently as Jacobs, and he's always been known to fight in spots so I believe he'll take plenty of punishment. It's gonna be fun to find out.
Yes we will elite guys are much different that gatekeepers. When you step up in comp guys tend to not look so indestructible.
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world ranked wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
world ranked wrote:
GGG ain't busting up Canelo no more than he did Jacobs. And that wasn't a bloody pulp.
We'll see. Canelo can't move around the ring as efficiently as Jacobs, and he's always been known to fight in spots so I believe he'll take plenty of punishment. It's gonna be fun to find out.
Yes we will elite guys are much different that gatekeepers. When you step up in comp guys tend to not look so indestructible.
Canelo's stepping up too. You think GGG isn't WAY more dangerous than Cotto, Khan and Liam Smith?
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gilgamesh wrote:
world ranked wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
We'll see. Canelo can't move around the ring as efficiently as Jacobs, and he's always been known to fight in spots so I believe he'll take plenty of punishment. It's gonna be fun to find out.
Yes we will elite guys are much different that gatekeepers. When you step up in comp guys tend to not look so indestructible.
Canelo's stepping up too. You think GGG isn't WAY more dangerous than Cotto, Khan and Liam Smith?
Better yes I'm not is not a winnable fight for GGG. I just don't think he wins unless he KO's Canelo and I just don't think the boxing gods will allow that :lol:
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Enlightened-One wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote: In the UK, the legal definition of a racial group that is used to determine illegal racist behaviour includes derogatory opinions of nationalities.

So technically-speaking, if someone keeps accusing Americans of being "corrupt", without due cause or even knowing those individuals, then they are technically "racist".

This is something that cannot even be argued, since the same people expecting Golovkin to be "ROBBED" against Canelo also persistently claim that American judges "ROBBED" other fighters too.
Get off your high horse EO are you having a bad day. What a ridiculous over the top post
What's so "ridiculous" and "over the top" about criticising those that persistently accuse American judges of being corrupt?

If I persistently alleged that all Eastern European judges were corrupt, the entire forum would likely be outraged and I'd possibly receive a ban.

I flatly-refuse to criticise a set of people (from a particular racial group) that I don't know, have never met and have yet to do anything wrong, but according to several forum posters, their corruption in the Canelo-GGG fight is already a foregone conclusion.

How can you support that?
It's not always American judges. It's 3 corrupt judges of ANY nationality who've been bribed to rob you if they possibly can -- by American operatives like KIng, Arum, Goosen, De La Hoya, Di Bella, or Haymon... or by foreign operatives in the UK or Europe when important fights are over there.. I remember when Dariusz Michalczewski fought Julio Gonzalez.. I was amazed when a fair decision was rendered..

The German judge gave it to Michalczewski as I was almost certain he would. But the American and South African judges had Gonzalez the winner because he DID win a clear victory. It's not very easy to bribe foreign judges but it's done all the time. You don't have much time or opportunity to approach them and make a deal -- and that's why they usually appoint international judges in fights like Kovalev-Ward... I smelled a rat when they DIDN'T do that in this fight TWICE!!!!

But these 8 fights smelled of super corrupt judges.. Hagler-Anteufermo 1... Lewis-Holyfield 1... Chavez-Whitaker... Pacquiao-Bradley 1... Tyson-Douglas (2 judges had Tyson ahead at the end)... Mayweather-Castillo II. Mayweather won every round of the rematch and the judges had the fight too damned close... Lara-Williams, where Lara won almost every round and was robbed blind... Kovalev-Ward 1... Kovalev out-boxed and out-punched the American and was robbed by 3 American judges and biased American referee.
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