Why Canelo vs. GGG will be HORRIBLE for the Sport

[man]

i think the opposite. it will be exciting
and great for the sport. both man are
near prime, are offensive and have a
solid punch. it will be waaay different
from pac-floyd.

[RScarf1]

It will only be bad for the sport if the judging is bad.

[greg]

...I agree with OP that a lot will depend on officiating...I hope the right man wins..

[Enlightened-One]

Get off your high horse EO are you having a bad day. What a ridiculous over the top post

What's so "ridiculous" and "over the top" about criticising those that persistently accuse American judges of being corrupt?

If I persistently alleged that all Eastern European judges were corrupt, the entire forum would likely be outraged and I'd possibly receive a ban.

I flatly-refuse to criticise a set of people (from a particular racial group) that I don't know, have never met and have yet to do anything wrong, but according to several forum posters, their corruption in the Canelo-GGG fight is already a foregone conclusion.

How can you support that?

It's not always American judges. It's 3 corrupt judges of ANY nationality who've been bribed to rob you if they possibly can -- by American operatives like KIng, Arum, Goosen, De La Hoya, Di Bella, or Haymon... or by foreign operatives in the UK or Europe when important fights are over there.. I remember when Dariusz Michalczewski fought Julio Gonzalez.. I was amazed when a fair decision was rendered..

The German judge gave it to Michalczewski as I was almost certain he would. But the American and South African judges had Gonzalez the winner because he DID win a clear victory. It's not very easy to bribe foreign judges but it's done all the time. You don't have much time or opportunity to approach them and make a deal -- and that's why they usually appoint international judges in fights like Kovalev-Ward... I smelled a rat when they DIDN'T do that in this fight TWICE!!!!

But these 8 fights smelled of super corrupt judges.. Hagler-Anteufermo 1... Lewis-Holyfield 1... Chavez-Whitaker... Pacquiao-Bradley 1... Tyson-Douglas (2 judges had Tyson ahead at the end)... Mayweather-Castillo II. Mayweather won every round of the rematch and the judges had the fight too damned close... Lara-Williams, where Lara won almost every round and was robbed blind... Kovalev-Ward 1... Kovalev out-boxed and out-punched the American and was robbed by 3 American judges and biased American referee.

It’s the US judges that receive (by far) the most severe criticism and accusations of corruption from the BoxRec forum members, which are usually cited by people that solely support white Eastern European fighters, who usually compete against North & South American opposition.

[candyslim]

I confess i only watched it once but am I the only person on the planet who thought Ward/Kovalev was a great fight and so close I wouldn't have disputed the decision whichever way it had gone?

[greg]

It’s the US judges that receive (by far) the most severe criticism and accusations of corruption from the BoxRec forum members, which are usually cited by people that solely support white Eastern European fighters, who usually compete against North & South American opposition.

...let's just not simplify the problem and label those who critisize US judges as "white Eastern European fighters" fans...This is ridiculous. Nevada Commission and Co. are critisized and rightfully so for appointing local judges and referees when an international crown is at stake ... It doesn't mean the appointed judges are corrupt as long as there is no proof ...what it means though is that there might be a conflict of interests..Common sense tells me a local judge is more susceptible and prone to be influenced by the cheering local crowd which might result, more often than not, in making a (sub)conscious decision in favor of the local boxer. Simple as that and has to be avoided at all costs...

[boxing_rocks]

It’s the US judges that receive (by far) the most severe criticism and accusations of corruption from the BoxRec forum members, which are usually cited by people that solely support white Eastern European fighters, who usually compete against North & South American opposition.

...let's just not simplify the problem and label those who critisize US judges as "white Eastern European fighters" fans...This is ridiculous. Nevada Commission and Co. are critisized and rightfully so for appointing local judges and referees when an international crown is at stake ... It doesn't mean the appointed judges are corrupt as long as there is no proof ...what it means though is that there might be a conflict of interests..Common sense tells me a local judge is more susceptible and prone to be influenced by the cheering local crowd which might result, more often than not, in making a (sub)conscious decision in favor of the local boxer. Simple as that and has to be avoided at all costs...

[Enlightened-One]

It’s the US judges that receive (by far) the most severe criticism and accusations of corruption from the BoxRec forum members, which are usually cited by people that solely support white Eastern European fighters, who usually compete against North & South American opposition.

...let's just not simplify the problem and label those who critisize US judges as "white Eastern European fighters" fans...This is ridiculous.

My opinion is based on multiple comments submitted to this forum by people who predominantly only support white Eastern European fighters, whilst persistently lambasting the US judges that officiate bouts against their north and south American opposition.

The proverbial “duck test” logic has been used to determine my stance and it’s pretty difficult to argue against this, since there’s a huge audit trail of forum posts that will almost certainly justify my belief. I stand by my claim… and I think you know the individual forum members I’m alluding to.

In regards to the separate matter you raised…

When you scrutinise actions of promoters like Top Rank, Main Events and K2, they never lobby for any of the boxing commissions to appoint (what Kathy Duva refers to as) “neutral judges”. The Main Events boss has aggressively criticised Andre Ward for doing precisely the same thing she’s done for the entirety of her 39 year career within the sport of boxing... but those people that solely support white Eastern European fighters conveniently ignore this fact.

I have previously justified this fact by supplying the statistics of Sergey Kovalev’s fights that were staged on US soil. These stats appeared to cause some forum members to become emotionally-outraged, because it made a mockery of Kathy Duva’s complaints, but none of them could undermine the info. that is easily accessible from the BoxRec website.

I’m only using Kathy Duva as an example, but the same widespread complaint applies for the GGG-Canelo fight also.

It seems that those people, that solely support white Eastern European fighters, persistently demand that their favourite boxers have their contests officiated by “neutral” judges, but they never criticise their promoters for never asking for it, nor do they lambast their beloved “heroes” for failing to complain about the appointment of solely American officials prior to their fights taking place.

My complaint is primarily concerned about the hypocrisy and also the “technically” racist behaviour of some of the forum posters that frequent this forum… just to be clear, I am not against the appointment of “neutral” judges, but I do hold an opposing viewpoint to several imbecilic moronic forum members that solely support white Eastern European fighters, whilst persistently lambasting "American" officials... despite not knowing anything about them.

[caldo2025]

We've all been clamoring for this fight for a long time and now that we have it in bold as THE top tilt in one of the best years of Boxing, I'm here to tell you that Boxing is going to shoot themselves in the foot again with this one. Just like Manny and Floyd's snooze fest that reminded casual boxing fans why they turned their back on the sport, this fight will do the same exact thing but for different reasons.

Some of those disappointed casual fans will come back for this fight and tune in hoping that it will dull the sting still felt from Manny and Floyd. The movie stars, athletes, millionaires will once again splurge for the top ringside seats and all of the networks will once again have their eyes on the sport of Boxing for this "Can't Miss" fight.

It can miss and it will miss. The action inside the ring will be excellent as i have no doubt about that. Both guys bang and are not fleet of foot so it will be an eye pleasing fight. But both guys have granite chins. No one is getting knocked down or knocked out so this fight is definitely going to the cards. THIS IS WHERE BOXING IS GOING TO BLOW IT. I feel that GGG is going to win this fight comfortably and decisively but will lose it on the cards. There will be a bunch of close rounds and Canelo is going to win all of them on the cards. Canelo has benefitted by generous, sometimes obscenely favorable, scorecards. This fight will be no different but maybe worse than we've ever seen. It will blemish what should have been a fantastic fight and night for the sport of Boxing. No chance of them not blowing this one.

Strange post. If Canelo's chin holds up then it's going to be 12 rounds of swapping big punches. Neither of them will know what to do if they need to retreat.

In reality i think Canelo get's broken down and stopped in the mid rounds.

I hope that you're right but I've never really seen Canelo hurt and he's taken some big shots. If you told me I had to bet all of my money on whether this fight goes the distance or not, I wouldn't feel comfortable betting either way. I'd probably side with a decision though. Plus Canelo knows how he just needs to find a way to make it to the end and he's got the judges on his side. Again, i hope that i'm wrong. I want the GGG train to keep rolling.

[Sequitorian]

... quite so ... Canelo vs. GGG will be HORRIBLE for the Sport ...

... the sport of MMA, that is ...

... assuming, of course, that MMA actually IS a sport ...

... (which it isn't) ...

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[world ranked]

I don't feel that will happen... Canelo has created enough ill will to have some people against him. Golovkin is good for the sport. A great person.

Golovkin is such a superior boxer and puncher that he's going to put that jab on Canelo like nobody's business.. I think GGG was a little over trained for Jacobs it was such a tough opponent.. For this fight he'll be right.. He has the height, range, power, and skill advantages.. It may not even get to the judges.

I think financially, Canelo is better for the sport and is the cash cow to be protected.

Exactly I think the best GGG can do is a decision win. GGG will never be the big star Canelo is but GGG by stoppage is the worst outcome as boxing sees it. What does GGG do next can Canelo ever reached the peak again after a KO loss. I just don't see Canelo will get every benefit of the doubt here as long as his chin holds up and I think that's less of an issue as some believe.

[world ranked]

When was the last EVENLY match ppv fight that ending in a stoppage? Marquez-Pacquaio and before that there's not many ppv main events that fighters get stopped.

[IKSRTFO]

When was the last EVENLY match ppv fight that ending in a stoppage? Marquez-Pacquaio and before that there's not many ppv main events that fighters get stopped.

"Evenly match" is relative. After there's a stoppage, people say that the fight wasn't evenly matched. Hopkins Trinidad is an example. Hatton was considered a live dog in the Mayweather and Pacquiao fights BEFORE the bell rang. Sometimes even the opposite happens like DLH Pacquiao and Holyfield Tyson 1.

If this fight ends in a stoppage, based on where the fighters career goes, people will eventually say it wasn't evenly matched.

[crow]

In the UK, the legal definition of a racial group that is used to determine illegal racist behaviour includes derogatory opinions of nationalities.

So technically-speaking, if someone keeps accusing Americans of being "corrupt", without due cause or even knowing those individuals, then they are technically "racist".
.

Enough with your crap posts, you idiot.

In the UK, online behavior is regulated by Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 and the Malicious Communications Act 1988

Calling Americans corrupt cannot possibly be considered "racially or religiously motivated", or a threat or a menace; neither does it create fear or apprehension in those to whom it is communicated; it thus does not fall under these jurisdiction.

https://www.scl.org/articles/2579-secti ... -or-menace

[boxing_rocks]

Besides, nobody is calling ALL Americans corrupt. Just some boxing judges.

[greg]

In the UK, the legal definition of a racial group that is used to determine illegal racist behaviour includes derogatory opinions of nationalities.

So technically-speaking, if someone keeps accusing Americans of being "corrupt", without due cause or even knowing those individuals, then they are technically "racist".
.

wow, just wow

[NateJR]

I can't wait for this fight. So many built in excuses for GGG . Just wait Canelo will win and deserve the win and these clowns on here will still cry corruption. It's called built in excuses.. those that think GGG is going to walk Alvarez down and punish him are going to be very disappointed.. they will find Canelo is the better all around fighter.

[Enlightened-One]

In the UK, the legal definition of a racial group that is used to determine illegal racist behaviour includes derogatory opinions of nationalities.

So technically-speaking, if someone keeps accusing Americans of being "corrupt", without due cause or even knowing those individuals, then they are technically "racist".
.

Enough with your crap posts, you idiot.

In the UK, online behavior is regulated by Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 and the Malicious Communications Act 1988

Calling Americans corrupt cannot possibly be considered "racially or religiously motivated", or a threat or a menace; neither does it create fear or apprehension in those to whom it is communicated; it thus does not fall under these jurisdiction.

https://www.scl.org/articles/2579-secti ... -or-menace

The word "racist" is not synonymous with the word "malicious". You've cited irrelevant info.

I can quote forum posts from certain Eastern European members of this community that wholeheartedly believe that Americans possess a negative opinion of Russian's, which they claim is the reason why they claim that all US judges are corrupt, even if they don't even know these officials, have never met them or even if they have never previously committed any wrongdoing.

[darkstar81]

The best are starting to fight each other. The less undefeated boxers there are at the top level the better.

[world ranked]

When was the last EVENLY match ppv fight that ending in a stoppage? Marquez-Pacquaio and before that there's not many ppv main events that fighters get stopped.

"Evenly match" is relative. After there's a stoppage, people say that the fight wasn't evenly matched. Hopkins Trinidad is an example. Hatton was considered a live dog in the Mayweather and Pacquiao fights BEFORE the bell rang. Sometimes even the opposite happens like DLH Pacquiao and Holyfield Tyson 1.

If this fight ends in a stoppage, based on where the fighters career goes, people will eventually say it wasn't evenly matched.

They will only say its not evenly matched if Canelo wins. People like myself who believe GGG is past prime. I do believe and I'm saying it before the fight win or lose I think this isn't prime GGG. More will come out after the fight and say it wasn't as well. We know fans will discredit the loser.

[greg]

In regards to the separate matter you raised…

When you scrutinise actions of promoters like Top Rank, Main Events and K2, they never lobby for any of the boxing commissions to appoint (what Kathy Duva refers to as) “neutral judges”. The Main Events boss has aggressively criticised Andre Ward for doing precisely the same thing she’s done for the entirety of her 39 year career within the sport of boxing... but those people that solely support white Eastern European fighters conveniently ignore this fact.

I have previously justified this fact by supplying the statistics of Sergey Kovalev’s fights that were staged on US soil. These stats appeared to cause some forum members to become emotionally-outraged, because it made a mockery of Kathy Duva’s complaints, but none of them could undermine the info. that is easily accessible from the BoxRec website.

I’m only using Kathy Duva as an example, but the same widespread complaint applies for the GGG-Canelo fight also......

..I believe going into the details you are missing the bigger picture, it's what they call you "don't see the forest for the trees"..nor do you entirely understand the possible ramifications of Nevada Commission and Co. appointing the local judges, etc..

[Enlightened-One]

In regards to the separate matter you raised…

When you scrutinise actions of promoters like Top Rank, Main Events and K2, they never lobby for any of the boxing commissions to appoint (what Kathy Duva refers to as) “neutral judges”. The Main Events boss has aggressively criticised Andre Ward for doing precisely the same thing she’s done for the entirety of her 39 year career within the sport of boxing... but those people that solely support white Eastern European fighters conveniently ignore this fact.

I have previously justified this fact by supplying the statistics of Sergey Kovalev’s fights that were staged on US soil. These stats appeared to cause some forum members to become emotionally-outraged, because it made a mockery of Kathy Duva’s complaints, but none of them could undermine the info. that is easily accessible from the BoxRec website.

I’m only using Kathy Duva as an example, but the same widespread complaint applies for the GGG-Canelo fight also......

..I believe going into the details you are missing the bigger picture, it's what they call you "don't see the forest for the trees"..nor do you entirely understand the possible ramifications of Nevada Commission and Co. appointing the local judges, etc..

Whilst I understand the nature of the issue that fight fans are concerned about and superficially-speaking, it doesn’t appear to be such an unreasonable perception, there isn’t enough evidence (in my mind) to justify any allegations of corruption or impartiality.

In a separate thread I listed about 150 fights (as per BoxRec) that went the distance in the US over a weekend, but no one could detail any of them whereby the judges’ decision was highly contentious.

Most people only remember a handful of dodgy decisions per year in the US, but none of them attempt to quantify the severity of the problem by gauging all of the actual occurrences against the total amount of fights that take place on American soil.

So whilst you are claiming that I’m “missing the big picture”, “not seeing the forest for the trees” and failing to understand the “possible ramifications” etc., it seems that I’m the only person from this forum that has tried to measure the so-called problem in an objective manner.

I’ll only agree with a claim if it can be substantiated, but this is one of those situations whereby every single one of those people that wholeheartedly support this theory are actually unable to prove it.

This isn’t some sort of “religion”, I’m not obliged to jump on some sort of theoretical bandwagon that is solely built on “faith”.

[caldo2025]

I don't feel that will happen... Canelo has created enough ill will to have some people against him. Golovkin is good for the sport. A great person.

Golovkin is such a superior boxer and puncher that he's going to put that jab on Canelo like nobody's business.. I think GGG was a little over trained for Jacobs it was such a tough opponent.. For this fight he'll be right.. He has the height, range, power, and skill advantages.. It may not even get to the judges.

I think financially, Canelo is better for the sport and is the cash cow to be protected.

Exactly I think the best GGG can do is a decision win. GGG will never be the big star Canelo is but GGG by stoppage is the worst outcome as boxing sees it. What does GGG do next can Canelo ever reached the peak again after a KO loss. I just don't see Canelo will get every benefit of the doubt here as long as his chin holds up and I think that's less of an issue as some believe.

This is a great point above and a big part of the reason I feel this will be a bad night for the sport. Boxing's best outcome in this fight is Canelo winning and his star growing brighter. Canelo then continues to take over Boxing and Vegas and unlike Floyd, Canelo is a likable, marketable entity.

If GGG wins then what? Boxing is then back to square one in their search for that boxer to be the face of the sport. There's way too much future money on the line for Canelo to lose this fight. Won't happen. If he finishes on his feet, he gets the win.

[world ranked]

I think financially, Canelo is better for the sport and is the cash cow to be protected.

Exactly I think the best GGG can do is a decision win. GGG will never be the big star Canelo is but GGG by stoppage is the worst outcome as boxing sees it. What does GGG do next can Canelo ever reached the peak again after a KO loss. I just don't see Canelo will get every benefit of the doubt here as long as his chin holds up and I think that's less of an issue as some believe.

This is a great point above and a big part of the reason I feel this will be a bad night for the sport. Boxing's best outcome in this fight is Canelo winning and his star growing brighter. Canelo then continues to take over Boxing and Vegas and unlike Floyd, Canelo is a likable, marketable entity.

If GGG wins then what? Boxing is then back to square one in their search for that boxer to be the face of the sport. There's way too much future money on the line for Canelo to lose this fight. Won't happen. If he finishes on his feet, he gets the win.

Somebody who understand that business of the sport is really what this all about.

[Ossyrules]

I think financially, Canelo is better for the sport and is the cash cow to be protected.

Exactly I think the best GGG can do is a decision win. GGG will never be the big star Canelo is but GGG by stoppage is the worst outcome as boxing sees it. What does GGG do next can Canelo ever reached the peak again after a KO loss. I just don't see Canelo will get every benefit of the doubt here as long as his chin holds up and I think that's less of an issue as some believe.

This is a great point above and a big part of the reason I feel this will be a bad night for the sport. Boxing's best outcome in this fight is Canelo winning and his star growing brighter. Canelo then continues to take over Boxing and Vegas and unlike Floyd, Canelo is a likable, marketable entity.

If GGG wins then what? Boxing is then back to square one in their search for that boxer to be the face of the sport. There's way too much future money on the line for Canelo to lose this fight. Won't happen. If he finishes on his feet, he gets the win.

I agree and disagree with this

I understand canelo is the money fighter, so a lot of people at the top of the sport from a business sense will want to see him win. But finishing on his feet and being awarded an unjust decision really isn't what the sport of boxing needs. That would just seem another cycle of a face of boxing that is fake of sorts, it's a turn off having another face of the sport that clearly has the odds tilted in his favour.

The best thing for boxing is a classic fight. Be it a war, or a fight so high on quality and action we have to see it again. Rematches and trilogies are amongst one of the best things about boxing as it shows rivalry.

If golovkin "wins" he needs the decision to reflect it and vice versa for boxing integrity