Ward-Kovalev Rematch - My thoughts

[Enlightened-One]

--you are talking absolute NONSENSE

Watch replays of Sky Sports and ESPN immediately during the aftermath of that fight and you'll understand the point I've made.

..I told you before you don't see the forest for the trees...The referee whose job is to be fair and impartial, said that HIS STOPPAGE was a mistake...that's all that matters..

If TV broadcasters who watched several of those replays in slow-motion couldn't say for certain that the blows were illegal or not, how the fûck is the ref supposed to know?

[greg]

Watch replays of Sky Sports and ESPN immediately during the aftermath of that fight and you'll understand the point I've made.

..I told you before you don't see the forest for the trees...The referee whose job is to be fair and impartial, said that HIS STOPPAGE was a mistake...that's all that matters..

If TV broadcasters who watched several of those replays in slow-motion couldn't say for certain that the blows were illegal or not, how the fûck is the ref supposed to know?

who the hell are the tv broadcasters? how are they at all relevant?

[asdfjkl]

Watch replays of Sky Sports and ESPN immediately during the aftermath of that fight and you'll understand the point I've made.

..I told you before you don't see the forest for the trees...The referee whose job is to be fair and impartial, said that HIS STOPPAGE was a mistake...that's all that matters..

If TV broadcasters who watched several of those replays in slow-motion couldn't say for certain that the blows were illegal or not, how the fûck is the ref supposed to know?

Sorry lol, but even Ward was surprised he didn't get punished early in that round for his lowblows.

[Enlightened-One]

..I told you before you don't see the forest for the trees...The referee whose job is to be fair and impartial, said that HIS STOPPAGE was a mistake...that's all that matters..

If TV broadcasters who watched several of those replays in slow-motion couldn't say for certain that the blows were illegal or not, how the fûck is the ref supposed to know?

who the hell are the tv broadcasters? how are they at all relevant?

It's relevant because it justifies the reasonableness of the refs actions.

[Enlightened-One]

..I told you before you don't see the forest for the trees...The referee whose job is to be fair and impartial, said that HIS STOPPAGE was a mistake...that's all that matters..

If TV broadcasters who watched several of those replays in slow-motion couldn't say for certain that the blows were illegal or not, how the fûck is the ref supposed to know?

Sorry lol, but even Ward was surprised he didn't get punished early in that round for his lowblows.

Pure fûckïng unadulterated bûllshît fiction!

[greg]

If TV broadcasters who watched several of those replays in slow-motion couldn't say for certain that the blows were illegal or not, how the fûck is the ref supposed to know?

who the hell are the tv broadcasters? how are they at all relevant?

It's relevant because it justifies the reasonableness of the refs actions.

..read my lips: the referee in charge admitted he made a mistake, that's it...

[asdfjkl]

If TV broadcasters who watched several of those replays in slow-motion couldn't say for certain that the blows were illegal or not, how the fûck is the ref supposed to know?

who the hell are the tv broadcasters? how are they at all relevant?

It's relevant because it justifies the reasonableness of the refs actions.

No, broadcasters are usually part of the plot, or protecting the referee his decision, but if even the ref admits he was wrong, he was simply wrong and the broadcasters were as well. Them acting like retards is useless if you can easely see the answers yourself.

[man]

If TV broadcasters who watched several of those replays in slow-motion (i.e. ESPN & SKY) couldn't say for certain that the blows were illegal or not, how the fûck is the ref supposed to know?

because he doesn't have cameras being
at wrong angles and people in the way.
plus he stands 2m next to these guys
and watching where they are hitting
each other is his only job.

[man]

you can make the case that borderline
blows played a major role in this fight,
which makes max kellerman's p4p praise
post fight look weird.

[Ricky_]

If TV broadcasters who watched several of those replays in slow-motion (i.e. ESPN & SKY) couldn't say for certain that the blows were illegal or not, how the fûck is the ref supposed to know?

because he doesn't have cameras being
at wrong angles and people in the way.
plus he stands 2m next to these guys
and watching where they are hitting
each other is his only job.

Seems obvious but i guess Fergus needs to be enlightened as to the referees basic duties.

[Enlightened-One]

If TV broadcasters who watched several of those replays in slow-motion (i.e. ESPN & SKY) couldn't say for certain that the blows were illegal or not, how the fûck is the ref supposed to know?

because he doesn't have cameras being
at wrong angles and people in the way.
plus he stands 2m next to these guys
and watching where they are hitting
each other is his only job.

Seems obvious but i guess Fergus needs to be enlightened as to the referees basic duties.

You’re asking a referee to have the capability to make a better immediate judgement that several professional boxing analysts sitting ringside could not (despite them possessing the capability of re-watching several key events during a fight multiple times via slow-motion).

Just face it kid, Sergey Kovalev lost!

[Ricky_]

because he doesn't have cameras being
at wrong angles and people in the way.
plus he stands 2m next to these guys
and watching where they are hitting
each other is his only job.

Seems obvious but i guess Fergus needs to be enlightened as to the referees basic duties.

You’re asking a referee to have the capability to make a better immediate judgement that several professional boxing analysts sitting ringside could not (despite them possessing the capability of re-watching several key events during a fight multiple times via slow-motion).

Just face it kid, Sergey Kovalev lost!

How unreasonable of me... expecting qualified referees to recognised what a low blow is.

[greg]

..I believe boxing fans have every right to expect that a referee in the ring does his job, in this case he obviously screwed it up big time, had enough common sense though to admit to have made a mistake...

[Enlightened-One]

..I believe boxing fans have every right to expect that a referee in the ring does his job, in this case he obviously screwed it up big time, had enough common sense though to admit to have made a mistake...

Referees make mistakes in all sports, because they’re human beings, but in this case, I don’t find his actions unreasonable, due to the fact that many highly-reputable boxing analysts (during the immediate aftermath of the bout) could not say for certain whether Ward had actually landed any illegal low blows during the final barrage of punches (even though they were sat ringside, coupled with the added benefit of reviewing several slow-motion replays from multiple angles).

Sergey Kovalev was on his last legs anyway, so a temporary break in the action may not have prevented the Russian's seemingly-inevitable demise.

Put it this way, 'Krusher' bent to his waist and was staring at the floor before Ward had actually thrown his illegal low blows, which is a surefire sign of distress. The Russian was no longer defending himself effectively and nor was he returning fire. Bending at the waist in those circumstances is much akin to a fighter turning his back on his opponent.

[man]

because he doesn't have cameras being
at wrong angles and people in the way.
plus he stands 2m next to these guys
and watching where they are hitting
each other is his only job.

Seems obvious but i guess Fergus needs to be enlightened as to the referees basic duties.

You’re asking a referee to have the capability to make a better immediate judgement that several professional boxing analysts sitting ringside could not (despite them possessing the capability of re-watching several key events during a fight multiple times via slow-motion).

Just face it kid, Sergey Kovalev lost!

you seem to say two contradicting
things at the same time. the ref due
to circumstance could not identify a
blow as illegit, yet kovalev losing was
legit. what is it?

[Ricky_]

. The Russian was no longer defending himself effectively and nor was he returning fire. Bending at the waist in those circumstances is much akin to a fighter turning his back on his opponent.

Except he was. The final punch clearly shows Kovalev guarding his body then tucking his chin. You aren't very enlightened Fergus, maybe choose another username?

[Enlightened-One]

. The Russian was no longer defending himself effectively and nor was he returning fire. Bending at the waist in those circumstances is much akin to a fighter turning his back on his opponent.

Except he was. The final punch clearly shows Kovalev guarding his body then tucking his chin. You aren't very enlightened Fergus, maybe choose another username?

The ref explained the reason why he stopped the fight... it was because Kovalev was no longer defending himself at all times. I saw the very same thing, hence the reason why my words precisely match Tony Weeks' explanation, even though I articulated my thoughts on the matter prior to the ref making his statement.

[Ricky_]

. The Russian was no longer defending himself effectively and nor was he returning fire. Bending at the waist in those circumstances is much akin to a fighter turning his back on his opponent.

Except he was. The final punch clearly shows Kovalev guarding his body then tucking his chin. You aren't very enlightened Fergus, maybe choose another username?

The ref explained the reason why he stopped the fight... it was because Kovalev was no longer defending himself at all times. I saw the very same thing, hence the reason why my words precisely match Tony Weeks' explanation, even though I articulated my thoughts on the matter prior to the ref making his statement.

The final (illegal) punch of the fight. Kovalev is consciously defending himself by guarding the body then tucking his chin. Undeniable fact.

[man]

Put it this way, 'Krusher' bent to his waist and was staring at the floor before Ward had actually thrown his illegal low blows, which is a surefire sign of distress. The Russian was no longer defending himself effectively and nor was he returning fire. Bending at the waist in those circumstances is much akin to a fighter turning his back on his opponent.

put it this way. not even bending
forward to protect himself from
being hit in the groin kept ward
from reaching in there nor did it
make the referee call out a clear
foul.

andre ward is a very smart world
class boxer. he knows exactly what
he was doing. there is no excuses
for a fighter being knocked out by
illegal blows.

[greg]

..I believe boxing fans have every right to expect that a referee in the ring does his job, in this case he obviously screwed it up big time, had enough common sense though to admit to have made a mistake...

Referees make mistakes in all sports, because they’re human beings, but in this case, I don’t find his actions unreasonable, due to the fact that many highly-reputable boxing analysts (during the immediate aftermath of the bout) could not say for certain whether Ward had actually landed any illegal low blows during the final barrage of punches (even though they were sat ringside, coupled with the added benefit of reviewing several slow-motion replays from multiple angles).

Sergey Kovalev was on his last legs anyway, so a temporary break in the action may not have prevented the Russian's seemingly-inevitable demise.

Put it this way, 'Krusher' bent to his waist and was staring at the floor before Ward had actually thrown his illegal low blows, which is a surefire sign of distress. The Russian was no longer defending himself effectively and nor was he returning fire. Bending at the waist in those circumstances is much akin to a fighter turning his back on his opponent.

we certainly don't know what might follow..your guess is as good any anyone's and under the circumstances irrelevant...the facts are: the punch was illegal and, considering there've been 4-5 of them all told, I tend to believe intentional, the ref waved it off, then admitted having made a mistake...what "tv people" around the world have or haven't seen is a different story..

[Enlightened-One]

Except he was. The final punch clearly shows Kovalev guarding his body then tucking his chin. You aren't very enlightened Fergus, maybe choose another username?

The ref explained the reason why he stopped the fight... it was because Kovalev was no longer defending himself at all times. I saw the very same thing, hence the reason why my words precisely match Tony Weeks' explanation, even though I articulated my thoughts on the matter prior to the ref making his statement.

The final (illegal) punch of the fight. Kovalev is consciously defending himself by guarding the body then tucking his chin. Undeniable fact.

There was no need for Kovalev to bend over though, was there?

[Ricky_]

The ref explained the reason why he stopped the fight... it was because Kovalev was no longer defending himself at all times. I saw the very same thing, hence the reason why my words precisely match Tony Weeks' explanation, even though I articulated my thoughts on the matter prior to the ref making his statement.

The final (illegal) punch of the fight. Kovalev is consciously defending himself by guarding the body then tucking his chin. Undeniable fact.

There was no need for Kovalev to bend over though, was there?

Well if leaning forward when defending yourself is your bugbear then you should see this guy Floyd Mayweather everyone raves about.

[Enlightened-One]

The final (illegal) punch of the fight. Kovalev is consciously defending himself by guarding the body then tucking his chin. Undeniable fact.

There was no need for Kovalev to bend over though, was there?

Well if leaning forward when defending yourself is your bugbear then you should see this guy Floyd Mayweather everyone raves about.

Kovalev bent over so low at the waist, because he couldn't defend himself by any other means, hence the reason for the stoppage.

Fighters aren't allowed to bend over so low.

[Ricky_]

There was no need for Kovalev to bend over though, was there?

Well if leaning forward when defending yourself is your bugbear then you should see this guy Floyd Mayweather everyone raves about.

Kovalev bent over so low at the waist, because he couldn't defend himself by any other means, hence the reason for the stoppage.

Fighters aren't allowed to bend over so low.

[greg]

There was no need for Kovalev to bend over though, was there?

Well if leaning forward when defending yourself is your bugbear then you should see this guy Floyd Mayweather everyone raves about.

Kovalev bent over so low at the waist, because he couldn't defend himself by any other means, hence the reason for the stoppage.

Fighters aren't allowed to bend over so low.

c'mon, you are trying to justify the actions of a very dirty boxer and a referee who made a mistake and acknowledged it...try harder..ever got hit in the balls?