David McAllister wrote:I might be the only one that thinks it should have been at most a NC, both fighters through after the bell and Rigo landed clean. Flores is going too get ridiculed when he gets back to Mexico, don't think the Mexicans will have enjoyed his stab at an Oscar winning performance!! haha
He deserves to get ridiculed. I'll never respect him again as a fighter. I'd never seen him before, but when I see a guy flop like that nothing he could ever do will ever redeem him as a fighter in my eyes.
I actually don't disagree with you that the proper ruling should have been a No Contest, but I'm not upset about the way it all worked out.
The guy flopped looking for a cheap win, and he got a lame loss instead. Serves him right.
It was shameful. Dirrell got away with it vs Abraham but others haven't. Hopkins in his last fight tried to feign injury/fouling. I remember Cintron vs Williams falling out the ring onto the officials table that was bizarre and given a technical draw.
The ref was shambolic it was painful to watch him he had absolutely no idea what to do.
David McAllister wrote:I might be the only one that thinks it should have been at most a NC, both fighters through after the bell and Rigo landed clean. Flores is going too get ridiculed when he gets back to Mexico, don't think the Mexicans will have enjoyed his stab at an Oscar winning performance!! haha
He deserves to get ridiculed. I'll never respect him again as a fighter. I'd never seen him before, but when I see a guy flop like that nothing he could ever do will ever redeem him as a fighter in my eyes.
I actually don't disagree with you that the proper ruling should have been a No Contest, but I'm not upset about the way it all worked out.
The guy flopped looking for a cheap win, and he got a lame loss instead. Serves him right.
It was shameful. Dirrell got away with it vs Abraham but others haven't. Hopkins in his last fight tried to feign injury/fouling. I remember Cintron vs Williams falling out the ring onto the officials table that was bizarre and given a technical draw.
The ref was shambolic it was painful to watch him he had absolutely no idea what to do.
Yeah Hopkins tried to pull that stuff a few times too. Never worked out for him though. It's worked for Dirrell, but it's also given him the reputation as one of the biggest p*ssies in the sport.
gilgamesh wrote:
He deserves to get ridiculed. I'll never respect him again as a fighter. I'd never seen him before, but when I see a guy flop like that nothing he could ever do will ever redeem him as a fighter in my eyes.
I actually don't disagree with you that the proper ruling should have been a No Contest, but I'm not upset about the way it all worked out.
The guy flopped looking for a cheap win, and he got a lame loss instead. Serves him right.
It was shameful. Dirrell got away with it vs Abraham but others haven't. Hopkins in his last fight tried to feign injury/fouling. I remember Cintron vs Williams falling out the ring onto the officials table that was bizarre and given a technical draw.
The ref was shambolic it was painful to watch him he had absolutely no idea what to do.
Yeah Hopkins tried to pull that stuff a few times too. Never worked out for him though. It's worked for Dirrell, but it's also given him the reputation as one of the biggest p*ssies in the sport.
ShadrachSimmo wrote:
It was shameful. Dirrell got away with it vs Abraham but others haven't. Hopkins in his last fight tried to feign injury/fouling. I remember Cintron vs Williams falling out the ring onto the officials table that was bizarre and given a technical draw.
The ref was shambolic it was painful to watch him he had absolutely no idea what to do.
Yeah Hopkins tried to pull that stuff a few times too. Never worked out for him though. It's worked for Dirrell, but it's also given him the reputation as one of the biggest p*ssies in the sport.
It worked for Hopkins against Dawson.
How? The fight was a No Contest, and in the immediate rematch he got outboxed like a mahfucka and lost a clear decision. If he'd taken the No Contest and never fought him again I'd say it worked out for him, given that he just went right back up against the same guy and got the loss he was gonna get in the first place all he did was postpone the inevitable.
gilgamesh wrote:
I disagree. I think a No Contest was the right call. Dawson got the win ultimately so it all worked out.
He had a rightful victory taken away. Just because Marquez knocked out Manny in fight four it doesn't make the bullshit decision in fight 3 ok.
It wasn't a rightful victory. He didn't injure Hopkins with a punch.
So? Hopkins injured himself committing a foul. Not Chad's problem. Uriah Grant has a tko over hearns because Tommy twisted his ankle. Why is it a nc when a fighter can't continue? That's a tko by definition.
Rigo should know better than to throw after the bell, considering his vast experience in the amateurs.
Flores play-acting that he was knocked out leaves a sour taste in the mouth. Speaking personally I'm glad that that folly performance doesn't get him a victory or a title.
All things considered I think a No Contest result would be making the best of a bad situation.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
He had a rightful victory taken away. Just because Marquez knocked out Manny in fight four it doesn't make the bullshit decision in fight 3 ok.
It wasn't a rightful victory. He didn't injure Hopkins with a punch.
So? Hopkins injured himself committing a foul. Not Chad's problem. Uriah Grant has a tko over hearns because Tommy twisted his ankle. Why is it a nc when a fighter can't continue? That's a tko by definition.
gilgamesh wrote:
It wasn't a rightful victory. He didn't injure Hopkins with a punch.
So? Hopkins injured himself committing a foul. Not Chad's problem. Uriah Grant has a tko over hearns because Tommy twisted his ankle. Why is it a nc when a fighter can't continue? That's a tko by definition.
Seemed like an accidental injury to me.
It needs to be an injury from an accidental foul to be a NC. Hopkins committed an intentional foul and got hurt for it. TKO
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
So? Hopkins injured himself committing a foul. Not Chad's problem. Uriah Grant has a tko over hearns because Tommy twisted his ankle. Why is it a nc when a fighter can't continue? That's a tko by definition.
Seemed like an accidental injury to me.
It needs to be an injury from an accidental foul to be a NC. Hopkins committed an intentional foul and got hurt for it. TKO
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Cintron should have lost be TKO to Williams when he dove out of the ring too.
Didn't seem like he "dove" out of the ring to me. Just a bumbling clumsy ass fall out of the ring. That was just a sh*t ending to what was about to be a clear win for Paul Williams, but I'd personally agree with the No Contest there as well.
Even though the way Cintron fell out of the ring was definitely more than a little clumsy I think he still deserves the benefit of the doubt that he genuinely just fell out of the ring and not "dove" out.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Cintron should have lost be TKO to Williams when he dove out of the ring too.
Didn't seem like he "dove" out of the ring to me. Just a bumbling clumsy ass fall out of the ring. That was just a sh*t ending to what was about to be a clear win for Paul Williams, but I'd personally agree with the No Contest there as well.
Even though the way Cintron fell out of the ring was definitely more than a little clumsy I think he still deserves the benefit of the doubt that he genuinely just fell out of the ring and not "dove" out.
It wasn't remotely clumsy, very athletic move. He clearly planted his foot and launched out of the ring. There used to be a great gif of it that literally had everyone changing their mind and agreeing with me. No accident there, no accident when Nard leapt onto Chad's back.
That went to the scorecards, not a NC. Kermit almost won the decision from an unneeded stretcher. LOL
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Cintron should have lost be TKO to Williams when he dove out of the ring too.
Didn't seem like he "dove" out of the ring to me. Just a bumbling clumsy ass fall out of the ring. That was just a sh*t ending to what was about to be a clear win for Paul Williams, but I'd personally agree with the No Contest there as well.
Even though the way Cintron fell out of the ring was definitely more than a little clumsy I think he still deserves the benefit of the doubt that he genuinely just fell out of the ring and not "dove" out.
Oh he dived no doubt in my mind
It was one of the greatest athletic moves by a boxer in a non boxing context since Larry Holmes' running broad jump at Berbick
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Cintron should have lost be TKO to Williams when he dove out of the ring too.
Didn't seem like he "dove" out of the ring to me. Just a bumbling clumsy ass fall out of the ring. That was just a sh*t ending to what was about to be a clear win for Paul Williams, but I'd personally agree with the No Contest there as well.
Even though the way Cintron fell out of the ring was definitely more than a little clumsy I think he still deserves the benefit of the doubt that he genuinely just fell out of the ring and not "dove" out.
Oh he dived no doubt in my mind
It was one of the greatest athletic moves by a boxer in a non boxing context since Larry Holmes' running broad jump at Berbick
Just nowhere near as cool
If it wasn't intentional it was actually the most unlikely event in the history of Boxing. For someone to lose their balance with no momentum from your opponent and manage to fall parallel to the ground, like an Olympic diver entering a pool, and not touch a fabric of the rope while landing uninjured outside of the ring. Well sir, like I believe an old show was named, That's Incredible!!!
Everyone stating he should've watched the replay, he TRIED to watch the replay. ASAC wouldn't let him and then he was told the punch happened before the bell. He didn't see the incident when splitting them up. I reckon he kind of knew there was going to be massive controversy as when he turns rounf and sees Flores on the floor it definitely seems to me there's an OH F**K look on his face.
