Jerry Quarry Vastly Underated

[BoxBuzz]

Pop in Quarry-Patterson (either one).
Watch Norton-Holmes right after.
It's no contest.

Norton is at least a league ahead of Quarry.

Not on your life. Not even Norton believed that, but he was very happy to be taking on Quarry when he was at his peak, and Quarry was well past his. And he rubbed it in pretty viciously on a personal level. So if you go by that event, (which is not unreasonable) then yes, your quote has legs.

[scartissue]

Pop in Quarry-Patterson (either one).
Watch Norton-Holmes right after.
It's no contest.

Norton is at least a league ahead of Quarry.

Not on your life. Not even Norton believed that, but he was very happy to be taking on Quarry when he was at his peak, and Quarry was well past his. And he rubbed it in pretty viciously on a personal level. So if you go by that event, (which is not unreasonable) then yes, your quote has legs.

There was a reason for that. Because Jerry regularly worked Ken over at the Main St. Gym in L.A. for several years. My buddy once saw Jerry knock Ken cold. See, Jerry never took it easy on sparring partners. Even with his much lighter brother Mike. So maybe Ken felt the time was ripe with Jerry on the way down.

[BoxBuzz]

Pop in Quarry-Patterson (either one).
Watch Norton-Holmes right after.
It's no contest.

Norton is at least a league ahead of Quarry.

Not on your life. Not even Norton believed that, but he was very happy to be taking on Quarry when he was at his peak, and Quarry was well past his. And he rubbed it in pretty viciously on a personal level. So if you go by that event, (which is not unreasonable) then yes, your quote has legs.

There was a reason for that. Because Jerry regularly worked Ken over at the Main St. Gym in L.A. for several years. My buddy once saw Jerry knock Ken cold. See, Jerry never took it easy on sparring partners. Even with his much lighter brother Mike. So maybe Ken felt the time was ripe with Jerry on the way down.

Yep, that's right. My only bone of contention is that Quarry is more than a match for Kenny at their mutual peaks. There is no gulf of talent/skill/capability separation between these two. It's a live fight, and my money is on Jerry.

[Ambling Alp II]

It's a bone of contention to me for people to say Quarry was as good as Norton.

When did the meaningless tales from gym supposedly even happen?
Norton had a very late start in career.

Norton was certainly better.
When they fought head to head Norton stopped him in five.
Quarry was 30 years old. It was only after the fight, (about 30 years afterward I might add) that Quarry suddenly became washed up for the Norton fight.

Take Earnie Shavers out the equation and there is nothing to argue about.
Quarry could not compete with the elite. In five major fights he never made it past the 7th round and won a grand total of what, four rounds?
Norton got blown out by Foreman but showed against Ali and Holmes that he could compete with the very best.

Norton did lose to Garcia, (which he avenged.)
Quarry lost to Chuvalo. Lost to Ellis. Lost to a fading Machen. Barely beat Larry Middleton.

[Tony1244]

Pop in Quarry-Patterson (either one).
Watch Norton-Holmes right after.
It's no contest.

Norton is at least a league ahead of Quarry.

Not on your life. Not even Norton believed that, but he was very happy to be taking on Quarry when he was at his peak, and Quarry was well past his. And he rubbed it in pretty viciously on a personal level. So if you go by that event, (which is not unreasonable) then yes, your quote has legs.

There was a reason for that. Because Jerry regularly worked Ken over at the Main St. Gym in L.A. for several years. My buddy once saw Jerry knock Ken cold. See, Jerry never took it easy on sparring partners. Even with his much lighter brother Mike. So maybe Ken felt the time was ripe with Jerry on the way down.

Sparring is practice and you can't go by practice. Even if Quarry did knock Norton out cold in sparring, and with all due respect, that's a big IF, I'm going by what someone wrote, based on what someone else said, Quarry may have been going at it 100% while Norton may have been working on angles or testing his chin.

They fought and Norton won. Quarry was only 30. You can look at their track records against Ali as an indicator. Considering Norton's very late start, it is conceivable that Quarry could have been better until the very early 1970s.

[BoxBuzz]

It's a bone of contention to me for people to say Quarry was as good as Norton.

When did the meaningless tales from gym supposedly even happen?
Norton had a very late start in career.

Norton was certainly better.
When they fought head to head Norton stopped him in five.
Quarry was 30 years old. It was only after the fight, (about 30 years afterward I might add) that Quarry suddenly became washed up for the Norton fight.

Take Earnie Shavers out the equation and there is nothing to argue about.
Quarry could not compete with the elite. In five major fights he never made it past the 7th round and won a grand total of what, four rounds?
Norton got blown out by Foreman but showed against Ali and Holmes that he could compete with the very best.

Norton did lose to Garcia, (which he avenged.)
Quarry lost to Chuvalo. Lost to Ellis. Lost to a fading Machen. Barely beat Larry Middleton.

I'd at least be balanced enough to place the Chuvalo loss last on the list. Folr reasons you fully understand. Head to head does not the story tell. Like you said, Foreman blew Norton out.....and Foreman openly rates Quarry as someone he'd rather not have tangled with.....for good reason.

[Kalan]

Part of this thread was devoted to Quarry vs Norton....I see I had my say 10 years ago.

After continuing to mull it over for the last decade.....I think the Jerry Quarry who beat Patterson, Spencer,Lyle and Shavers, Beats the best Kenny Norton you can find. Which is probably the Norton that beat Ali in their first fight. Or the Norton that hung in their with Holmes.

It takes you a decade to come to erroneous conclusions about the results of mismatches that have already been fought.. Typical BuzzBox..

Norton won easily... He had the much better jab and faster hands... He hit Quarry with a ton of uppercuts and combinations... Kenny was just too big and strong for Quarry, who was a wide open target and very small and short for a Heavyweight... Quarry liked big, slow swingers like Mac Foster, Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, and Tony Doyle... Quarry was too quick for lame swingers, but Norton had quick hands and out-jabbed Muhammad Ali.. He was a fair boxer.. Quarry couldn't box.. He never got a good punch on the much bigger and stronger Norton and ate everything coming his way... Norton was completely relaxed because he was so superior.. What a mismatch!!!!

[ronnyrains]

Folks lets see Norton-Quarry for what it is, Jerry was passed his PRIME! he took the Fight on 16 days notice, come on! he took a payday, and paid for it, $185 grand to Norton's $100g! And as far as Jerry's weight not being an issue, he only weighed more (207 lb) TWICE! Jerry took a better shot than Norton, And of course cut a heck of alot more. Norton Severd a blood vessel in Quarry's eye , and early that could not have helped! Jerry was a better fighter than Kenny up until 1973! Wether or not he would have beat Norton, is only speculation? The Ring had it right , I believe Norton alltime like #21 or #22, And Quarry #27.At that time.-Jerry beat 8 world ranked fighter's (4 by Knockout) Norton (5, 3 by Knockout).

Jerry at 196, 198 Lb Range, would have been hell for anyone during his career, You only have to see Every Opponent Jerry fought was usually in the best shape of their careers, including the second tier (Johnson, Mathis, Zanon, and Neumann).Norton had the jab, Boxer-puncher, And was a fighter to be reckoned with, at pretty much anytime in his career!

[Kalan]

One reason you stay in fighting trim and do maintenance training is -- if a boxer pulls out of an important fight and you get the call you're ready to accept the fight as a substitute... I never believed in putting on weight between fights - or not training between fights... The only reason you wouldn't do 2 hours of maintenance training a day is because you're injured, sick, or very sore... It doesn't mean you can't party and stay out until 2:00AM -- but you sleep until 10:00 whenever you do.. If you're stay out all night partying every night you have to adjust your hours too much ... and it's very much like jet lag..