Stiverne fighting still save?

[asdfjkl]

I was just looking back at Stiverne in a few fights and I was thinking about his safety, is it actually still safe for him to be in the ring with a boxrec top 50 contender?
I care about his safety because the WBC is genuinly planning to put him in front of Deontay Wilder. Now I understand that Wilder is a fake champ and can only face very weak competition to actually win the fight, but still.
When I look at guys like Tyrone Spong, Daniel Dubois, and so on, they are easely far superior compared to Stiverne.
Also note that Stiverne already allmost died according to himself in his fight against Wilder because of dehydration. Meanwhile Stiverne clearly became a lot worse boxer, while Wilder only became better ever since.

Stiverne was behind on all the scorecards against Ray Austin when this happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUj0R1c7t_8&t=40s

And I already said last year that I considered Austin vs Andy Ruiz Jr a dangerous fight.
Please note that even the commentators considered this fight as a joke back then, saying "even his fans are heavyweights" and "back in 1999 there was a good fight between him and him" and even showed clips of that fight.

It's a good things that Stiverne isn't facing Ortiz, Povetkin, Joshua or Klitschko, but even against Wilder I think he's seriously risking his life and I will blame the WBC if that happens.

Here you can compare a few talents:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xufR1Y4dEPY

To Stiverne in his prime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxZiRI2tAes

It's allmost like slowmotion, and remember, that was Stiverne in his prime!

Here you can see Tim in his last fight against Adam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idxyt6p9gec

Tim never stood up, and you may call me wrong, but I think Tim was in better shape as Stiverne is right now.

Now I'm wondering, am I the only one thinking like this? Since I haven't heard anyone else caring about Stiverne yet, I'll patiently wait for the answers.

[Lackeos]

There's not a lot of risk. Stiverne has only been in a couple of hard fights in his entire life. If dehydration was such a problem in the first fight, then uh... be a little less dehydrated next time. Maybe even lose a few pounds of insulation. Maybe quit in round 10 instead of going the distance if you think you're losing and dying.

[candyslim]

Well I don't know if Stiverne is more in danger than anyone else facing Wilder. He's a pretty tough customer even if he did have to climb off the canvas to get the dubious decision over Rossy.

I have very high hopes for young Daniel Dubois but there's a world of difference between going three rounds with a fellow young prospect and pacing youself to go twelve against a wily old pro like Ray Austin. If I'm allegedly, there is no way I'd consider putting Daniel in the lion's den with Stiverne until he's got a lot more pro experience, maybe in 15-20 fight's time. He's only 19 and needn't be in any hurry. Incidentally am I the only one who gets annoyed when some a-hole who is a ring-announcer FFS, cannot even say Dubois without f...Ing it up? Jeez it's not exacthy Xherdan Czyzmlazhcziec is it?

Anyway I digress. I do emphatically blame Suaiman and his corrupt croneys not so much for putting his life at risk (although I do understand your concerns) but for inflicting this absurd parody of a title fight on the boxing public. Wilder doesn't want to fight Stiverne again, the public certainly don't want to see it, it was conclusive last time and as you say the gap in ability hasn't got any closer. Stiverne has hardly fought anyone of quality before or since and he didn't even beat Derric Rossy convincingly, if at all.

Most definitely not aimed at the OP: If you genuinely believe this mob are above any sort of dodgy dealing, or manipulation of events to further their own ends, that would put you somewhere on the spectrum between naive / gullible and downright simple-minded.

[gilgamesh]

Stiverne is basically washed up, and was never particularly good in the first place. The fact that he ever cracked the Top 10 is more of a comment of how sh*tty the division was than how good Stiverne was.

Doesn't surprise me that Wilder wants his 2nd Top 10 ranked opponent to be the same guy as his 1st Top 10 Ranked opponent. The weakest name in the Top 10.

[candyslim]

WTF I just noticed my above post contains an error so I try to edit it. When it brings up my post to be corrected, it doesn't need correcting because it ls just as I typed it ... If I'm allegedly not "If I'm allegedly"

Just in case there is an anti Fwank Rawren safeguard which treats his name as a swear-word or something, I've deliberately misspelt it to beat the filter. I know he's not everybody's cup of tea, but really WTF?

[candyslim]

Bingo ... I must be psychic.

F rank War wren

[gilgamesh]

Bingo ... I must be psychic.

F rank War wren

There's a safeguard because as I understand it he can be quick to file lawsuits against people. That's the reason why his name is safe guarded against.

We commonly refer to him as Fwank.

[candyslim]

Thanks for that Gilgamesh that makes good sense, now. Sorry for my outburst people.

[gilgamesh]

Thanks for that Gilgamesh that makes good sense, now. Sorry for my outburst people.

No problem. Confused me the first time I typed his name in too

Pretty sure I had a "What the hell is up with this?" post when that happened as well.

[Lackeos]

Fwankie has been edited for as long as I can remember, and I've obviously been around for a bit. Sh*t also gets changed to poo.

[asdfjkl]

Derric Rossy, Stiverne his last opponent, yesterday got TKOed after several KDs in 4 rounds against this barely top 100 cruiserweight:
http://boxrec.com/boxer/489720

Stiverne, who got KD himself against Rossy is not facing a rank 100 cruiserweight, but a heavyweight champion of the world!

TBH I think even a rank 200 cruiserweight currently has a very fair chance of not just winning, but even KO Stiverne within 8 rounds.

[candyslim]

Fwankie has been edited for as long as I can remember, and I've obviously been around for a bit. Sh*t also gets changed to poo.

Yes I had a "bit of a moment" when I discovered that one too, as I recall It doesn't seem to mind the northern English/Scottish/Irish variation "shite" though.

That reminds me of an old story that in one of the states (Florida?) you can / could, put anything on your vehicle license plate you like provided it's not obscene. The story goes that the English ex-pat was driving around with his plate emblazoned with the word "wanker" and none of the locals at that time were any the wiser. It caused widespread hilarity among the Brits and Anzac tourists though

[asdfjkl]

Hughie vs Parker is now scheduled at 23/9, so I assume Wilder vs Stiverne will be scheduled around early december to waste as much time as possible again.

I hope Stiverne will survive, even though I expect him to lose against most rank 200 ish cruiserweights.

[tiny_acres]

Fwankie has been edited for as long as I can remember, and I've obviously been around for a bit. Sh*t also gets changed to poo.

If I'm not mistaken. Wasn't this done because of litigation and claims of libelous or harmful statements?
I remember reading that somewhere

[world ranked]

Hughie vs Parker is now scheduled at 23/9, so I assume Wilder vs Stiverne will be scheduled around early december to waste as much time as possible again.

I hope Stiverne will survive, even though I expect him to lose against most rank 200 ish cruiserweights.

I think your clearly overblowing how bad Stiverne is.

[asdfjkl]

Hughie vs Parker is now scheduled at 23/9, so I assume Wilder vs Stiverne will be scheduled around early december to waste as much time as possible again.

I hope Stiverne will survive, even though I expect him to lose against most rank 200 ish cruiserweights.

I think your clearly overblowing how bad Stiverne is.

Why? His latest opponent, who knocked Stiverne down and where from many people say Stiverne should have lost got KOed last week within 4 rounds by a cruiserweight who was barely in the top 100? And as you can see by the vids above, that's really about his level, or even lower.

[world ranked]

Hughie vs Parker is now scheduled at 23/9, so I assume Wilder vs Stiverne will be scheduled around early december to waste as much time as possible again.

I hope Stiverne will survive, even though I expect him to lose against most rank 200 ish cruiserweights.

I think your clearly overblowing how bad Stiverne is.

Why? His latest opponent, who knocked Stiverne down and where from many people say Stiverne should have lost got KOed last week within 4 rounds by a cruiserweight who was barely in the top 100? And as you can see by the vids above, that's really about his level, or even lower.

Negron is a top 50 heavyweight even before his last fight. You overstating again your overstating how bad Stiverne is. Rossy isn't a bum neither is Negron.

[asdfjkl]

I think your clearly overblowing how bad Stiverne is.

Why? His latest opponent, who knocked Stiverne down and where from many people say Stiverne should have lost got KOed last week within 4 rounds by a cruiserweight who was barely in the top 100? And as you can see by the vids above, that's really about his level, or even lower.

Negron is a top 50 heavyweight even before his last fight. You overstating again your overstating how bad Stiverne is. Rossy isn't a bum neither is Negron.

Nope, he was a rank 86 cruiserweight, I've checked it last week when he wasn't a heavyweight yet.

[asdfjkl]

He does the same trick as Guilermo Jones, who was a rank 9 heavyweight last week, BJ Flores, who's rank 60 ish heavyweight right now, Thomas Adamek who's rank 25 heavyweight right now, Zine Eddine Benmakhlouf and so on.
The same trick as Tony Bellew/David Haye, Bellew was rank 3 heavyweight for a few hours, above Pulev, Ortiz, Povetkin and Parker at some point.

I think every boxer should have a rating of 0 in the league if he hasn't fought anyone in the league he's fighting right now.
Also, one fighter should be able to be ranked in several weightclasses if he has fought in several weightclasses.

[world ranked]

He does the same trick as Guilermo Jones, who was a rank 9 heavyweight last week, BJ Flores, who's rank 60 ish heavyweight right now, Thomas Adamek who's rank 25 heavyweight right now, Zine Eddine Benmakhlouf and so on.
The same trick as Tony Bellew/David Haye, Bellew was rank 3 heavyweight for a few hours, above Pulev, Ortiz, Povetkin and Parker at some point.

I think every boxer should have a rating of 0 in the league if he hasn't fought anyone in the league he's fighting right now.
Also, one fighter should be able to be ranked in several weightclasses if he has fought in several weightclasses.

I don't think Adamek top 25 I also think Negron could beat Adamek right now. A case can be made that Bellew win over Haye is better than anything Parker has done.

[asdfjkl]

He does the same trick as Guilermo Jones, who was a rank 9 heavyweight last week, BJ Flores, who's rank 60 ish heavyweight right now, Thomas Adamek who's rank 25 heavyweight right now, Zine Eddine Benmakhlouf and so on.
The same trick as Tony Bellew/David Haye, Bellew was rank 3 heavyweight for a few hours, above Pulev, Ortiz, Povetkin and Parker at some point.

I think every boxer should have a rating of 0 in the league if he hasn't fought anyone in the league he's fighting right now.
Also, one fighter should be able to be ranked in several weightclasses if he has fought in several weightclasses.

I don't think Adamek top 25 I also think Negron could beat Adamek right now. A case can be made that Bellew win over Haye is better than anything Parker has done.

I don't see Bellew win against Takam, or Andy Ruiz Jr, Daffy Duck is just a massive bum but even Daffy Duck is probably a bit better as any opponent of Deontay Wilder.

[world ranked]

He does the same trick as Guilermo Jones, who was a rank 9 heavyweight last week, BJ Flores, who's rank 60 ish heavyweight right now, Thomas Adamek who's rank 25 heavyweight right now, Zine Eddine Benmakhlouf and so on.
The same trick as Tony Bellew/David Haye, Bellew was rank 3 heavyweight for a few hours, above Pulev, Ortiz, Povetkin and Parker at some point.

I think every boxer should have a rating of 0 in the league if he hasn't fought anyone in the league he's fighting right now.
Also, one fighter should be able to be ranked in several weightclasses if he has fought in several weightclasses.

I don't think Adamek top 25 I also think Negron could beat Adamek right now. A case can be made that Bellew win over Haye is better than anything Parker has done.

Daffy Duck is just a massive bum but even Daffy Duck is probably a bit better as any opponent of Deontay Wilder.

That say a lot.

[candyslim]

Why is is Bellew, Daffy Duck?

[asdfjkl]

Why is is Bellew, Daffy Duck?

Bellew fought Daffy Duck, Daffy Duck, the bum who ducks everyone who's good unless he receives a massive payday for it which he doesn't deserve, or unless it's someone who's ranked way higher as he should be and Daffy thinks he can handle.
You can ask Shannon Briggs who Daffy Duck is.

[candyslim]

Ok. I'll be sure to ask Shannon next time I bump into him, We use the same dealer in case you were wondering