Wilder rejects Whyte

[candyslim]

That's cheating

I'm old school. I remember when knowledge was what you carried around with you in your head, not what you could find out in 20 seconds using your smart-phone.

[asdfjkl]

TBH I wasn't thinking of Reshevsky, only about Fisher and I knew that his mother came from eastern Europe. I didn't know about his father, but just assumed he was.

[candyslim]

Anyway a chess career would be no use to Wilder. How’s he going to duck the top performers and still make a living?

[asdfjkl]

Cheating ofcourse, he's a master in that and nowadays computers are better in chess as humans.

Either way, I'm still surprised Wilder ducks Whyte, especially for that amount of cash. It's really a fair offer in my opinion.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

If that's directed at me you no spicka da eengleesh?

I no understanding yours.

If you tell me what part you didn't understand, I'll try to explain myself better.

Wladimir regularly plays chess as well, and would win badly, especially since Americans aren't good chess players except for one chessplayer, who's roots came from the area where Klitschko grew up.

Dunno about these days but Bobby Fischer and Sammy Reshevsky were better than the average woodpusher as I recall

Whyte could frustrate Wilder for a round or two but eventually Wilder would land and then it's over.

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Yeah, yeah we keep hearing what Wilder can do and we've seen him starch a few "also rans" but let's see if he has any more luck with trying to knock Whyte out than he had with Stiverne. Sorry I forgot. He only wants to fight Joshua. Well I only want to shag Monica Belucci.

Miller is a hard one to assess because he hasn't been tested. He moves well for a man not far shy of 300lbs

He's nothing but a fat boy and he hasn't fought in 10 months...What's he stalling for?? ... He's 28... With that kind of activity level he's going nowhere.

Well we're talking about him aren't we? I agree a bit more time spent in the gym and less in McDonalds might help.

Your entire post had nothing to do with mine.

[candyslim]

Your entire post had nothing to do with mine.

Well it did Saad: You said "Why would he say yes to fighting Whyte when he wants to fight Joshua or Parker? Why would I ignore you because you don't like wilder?"

I explained (1) He can't fight Joshua he's tied up for the forseeable. (2) the reason I asked if you were ignoring me is I kept saying "fight Whyte after Stiverne" and you were saying stuff like "it doesn't get the Stiverne fight out the way" and (3) you said I didn't like Wilder and I explained that I understand why you think that but it isn't true :

Obviously there's no relationship because Wilder doesn't know me from a hole in the ground, but you are familiar with the phrase "a love/hate relationship" ... well that explains my feelings toward Wilder.

[asdfjkl]

Why would he say yes to fighting Whyte when he wants to fight Joshua or Parker? Why would I ignore you because you don't like wilder?

Joshua doesn't need him, he's got obligations up to his neck. UK casuals don't know Wilder or if they do, have never seen him in a meaningful fight. Whyte isn't A-Grade but he's tough, fearless and will give Wilder a serious argument in the ring. UK fans know this and like and respect Whyte. There's a feeling that Wilder needs to show he's not just after a mega-money cashout/ retirement benefit fight with AJ, or at least that's how I look at it.

Just because I'm always on his case doesn't mean I don't like Wilder. I would love to see him fight Joshua, Parker, Ortiz, Klitschko or Povetkin.

I would enjoy watching him fight Whyte, Breazeale, Miller or ... no that's about it.

He's a fighter that can compete against A-Grade opposition and be perceived to be in with a decent chance of winning. For this reason I love Deontay Wilder. Sadly he talks the talk and that's as far as it goes. He is a major disappointment to me. Guess you could say I have a love/hate attitude to Wilder.

The ignore list question was because you ignored what I'd said about getting the Stiverne fight done first. Pretty late over there, huh?

S-What?
c*If that's directed at me you no spicka da eengleesh?
S-I no understanding yours.
c*If you tell me what part you didn't understand, I'll try to explain myself better.
S-Your entire post had nothing to do with mine.


I think this is about the most intelligent discussion I've seen with SaadOffTheDeck yet on this forum, despite he's wrong.

[candyslim]

Thanks Asdfjkl

Saad once got me to examine one of my deeply held beliefs and revise my opinion. He's no idiot (but sometimes he likes to do impressions ) and he's worth the effort or I wouldn't bother.

My only gripe is that once he has formed his opinion it's very much case closed. He is not alone in that!

[KiwiRider]

Now with Wank Foreign's announcenent of Parker Fury, Wilder has been painted into a corner.
There is no chance of any unification this year.
His only option is either Whyte for the biggest payday and exposure of his career, or Stiverne for a tiny crowd and pay day.
And no one, including Wilder, wants that.
So if he turns down triple his usual payday, I think most real boxing fans will be shouting Alabama fried chicken from the rafters.

[Badhusker]

Now with Wank Foreign's announcenent of Parker Fury, Wilder has been painted into a corner.
There is no chance of any unification this year.
His only option is either Whyte for the biggest payday and exposure of his career, or Stiverne for a tiny crowd and pay day.
And no one, including Wilder, wants that.
So if he turns down triple his usual payday, I think most real boxing fans will be shouting Alabama fried chicken from the rafters.

I'll say it one more time, only type slower so it is easy to understand. Wilder CANNOT fight Whyte instead of Stiverne, unless Whyte is holding one of the belts for a unification bout......which he doesn't and probably never will. Stiverne is his mandatory. It is pretty clear Wilder won't risk getting stripped to fight Whyte instead of Stiverne. Both are gatekeepers basically.

[KiwiRider]

He can do both this year.

[boxing_rocks]

Wouldn't be the first time of WBC bending their rules when enough cash is involved.

[asdfjkl]

It's ridiculous that Povetkin has been kicked out and it's very very ridiculous that Stiverne is still in this top 15, let alone at rank 1!
What's next? Molina on rank 1?

Also:
WBC INT. CHAMPION:Dillian Whyte (Jamaica/GB)

I'm just watching the list and TBH I think literally everyone in the top 25 the WBC created would beat Stiverne at this moment.

[candyslim]

Wouldn't be the first time of WBC bending their rules when enough cash is involved.

Rocks surely you can't be suggesting that that nice Mr Sulaiman and his organisation are not a splendid and shining example of sporting integrity?

I don't know what to say, I'm deeply shocked. I think I'd better go and lie down

[candyslim]

That's better. I needed that lie-down.

He can do both this year.

Well that's the point isn't it? We know Wilder cannot fight Whyte instead of, or before he fights Stiverne, so can we all please please absorb that fact.

There is nothing to stop Wilder facing Whyte once he has seen off Stiverne be that late this year or early next. He could even start negotiations now if he wanted the fight. The way he reacted to Hearn was extraordinary. He wasn't ever remotely interested in fighting Wlad, or even David Haye, and he's been giving Ortiz the run-around for the best part of three years, but because Joshua doesn't come running when Wilder snaps his fingers, Deontay throws his toys out the pram and accuses Hearn of trying to get him (Wilder) to fight his (Hearn's) "dirty c*nt" (Whyte). His word not mine.

It strikes me that Wilder is desperate to get his Joshua mega-purse before somebody else takes his belt of him (I mean Wilder's belt but AJ getting beaten would screw the pooch just the same)

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Your entire post had nothing to do with mine.

Well it did Saad: You said "Why would he say yes to fighting Whyte when he wants to fight Joshua or Parker? Why would I ignore you because you don't like wilder?"

I explained (1) He can't fight Joshua he's tied up for the forseeable. (2) the reason I asked if you were ignoring me is I kept saying "fight Whyte after Stiverne" and you were saying stuff like "it doesn't get the Stiverne fight out the way" and (3) you said I didn't like Wilder and I explained that I understand why you think that but it isn't true :

Obviously there's no relationship because Wilder doesn't know me from a hole in the ground, but you are familiar with the phrase "a love/hate relationship" ... well that explains my feelings toward Wilder.

Yes, saying fight Whyte after Stiverne is silly. After Stiverne he would be looking to fight Parker or Joshua. If he can't get either of them, Whyte would be fine. Saying yes to Whyte now before he even has Stiverne signed makes not a lick of sense. I did not notice that you realized he had to fight Stiverne first. You're clearly not a Wilder guy, that doesn't make any difference.

[Badhusker]

I really hope Wilder will get to fight Joshua sooner rather than later. Instead of giving him credit for trying to get that fight (against the current baddest guy on the planet) he gets criticized by morons for not fighting Whyte? WTF? I say let Wilder take on Joshua. (If Wlad doesn't want a rematch) Kill or be killed. Let's see who the boss is.
After that let Ortiz have a chance. Let Parker have a chance. Enough of the ducking and dodging BS. Hughy Fury? Come on. He is about half as good as Tyson (used to be) and that isn't all that great. Parker? Not sure about him just yet, but wouldn't be mentioned if he didn't bring something to the table. Ortiz? The guy might be 40yrs old, who knows. I would love to let him get a chance before he is 50.

[marvelous marv]

Joshua plans to avoid Wilder for as long as possible. Hearn knows that he is very heavy handed and awkward to fight. Hearn gets feedback constantly from people who have sparred with him or fought him in the past. He could derail the Matchroom money train with on punch.

[Badhusker]

Wilder is on pretty much everyone's list ass a guy they want to see KO'd by pretty much anyone. Kind of like so many want to see Ward KO'd, or Floyd KO'd.

[asdfjkl]

If we wanted to see Wilder being KOed, then we would wanted him to fight Joshua. In reality I prefere him to fight someone his own level, or prove himself against a bit higher level competition. Whyte is such a guy, most likely better as Washington and such guys.

Also note that AJ clearly showed a much much much better performance against Jason Gavern and Molina, as Deontay did and many people, including me, blamed AJ for taking such a fight against Molina in the first place. Now it's Wilder his chance to show a good performance against a guy AJ showed a bad performance against and what does Wilder do? Refuses to accept it and says, if I fight him and show a good performance, people call him a bum anyway.
While that's not the point. People support Ortiz because he showed a better performance against Jennings as Klitschko did, people support Povetkin, because he showed a better performance against Duhaupas as Deontay did. People support Povetkin because he showed a better performance against Takam, as Parker did. I support Jun Long Zhang because he showed a better performance against Gavern and that Brazilian guy as Wilder and Hughie Fury did.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

[candyslim]

I know I come across as a Wilder hater but I'd truly be as upset as anyone on this forum if he were to announce he was being forced to retire due to ongoing problems with his hands or some such.

I could be a massive fan of his because he ticks so many boxes. The only thing he doesn't do is fight top quality opposition. That wouldn't be quite so bad if he didn't keep running his mouth. Did you see they had him on "Tha Boxing Voice" by phone-link or Skype or whatever. The co-hosts never got the chance to ask him a question, he just went into a looong rant about how great he is, how nobody wants to fight him, yadda yadda yadda. At the end Nes and Matt were so numb they just thanked him for his contribution and still didn't ask him anything.

There's guys making videos on you-tube: Always a brother, not discernably from the South by and large, talking up Wilder and accusing Parker of ducking him. FFS the guy has been WBO champ since October that's 8 months during which time he has had to suffer Fury pulling out of his fight no fault of Parker's. Deontay has had two and half years and still people make excuses for him.

I know the Americans on here want to believe in Wilder. Hell, I want to believe in Wilder. Oh he's really trying to unify the title. He wants to fight Joshua or Parker. Really? well yes and no:

Everybody wants to fight Joshua. Even Ward's people are talking Joshua. It wouldn't surprise me if the winner of Canelo/ Tripple G isn't rumoured to want to fight Joshua. Why is that? It's because Joshua is where the money's at and that is the only reason Wilder wants the fight. He doesn't want to fight Parker. Parker is less of a risk than Joshua. but he's still a risk, and there is no money in the fight.

Parker doesn't want Wilder, why would he? (hell even Wilder wouldn't want Wilder). He would be favourite to beat Parker and once again there's no money in it. Both of them could make more money fighting Whyte in London than they could make fighting each other. Why do you think Parker is happy to come to London to fight a guy like Hughie who hasn't achieved anything to make him a worthy challenger?

So what are Deontay's options once he has disposed of the man almost criminally nominated as his mandatory challenger?

1) Anthony Joshua - Joshua is contracted to fight Klitschko if Wlad decides to exercise his option. Josh is mandated to fight Pulev and Ortiz. Hearn wants to give the Wilder fight time to ferment.
2) Wladimir Klitschko - Wilder has never wanted to fight Klitschko. Wlad is weighing up whether or not he wants to risk it for one last hurrah (payday) in which case it'll be against Joshua, no one else.
3) Joseph Parker - See above: For financial reasons if no other, they each don't want to fight the other.
4) Luis Ortiz - Get the fukc outta here
5) Tyson Fury - Presently indisposed and working like crazy in an effort to ... build his following on twitter.
6) Alexandr Povetkin - I think we can discount this one can't we? A crying shame in my opinion.
7) Kubrat Pulev - Waiting patiently for his lottery win. Wouldn't be remotely interested in Wilder and the feeling is no doubt mutual.
8) Dillian Whyte - The obvious choice: Big money, great UK exposure, win and UK fans will be demanding a showdown with Joshua
9) Tony Bellew - Please no but this would give Wilder UK exposure it has to be said.
10) Dom Breazeale - Would give Wilder a tough fight. No money in it, quite a big risk, no thank you.
11) Lucas Browne - Distinctly possible. Unlikely to cause Wilder too much bother nor earn him any respect.
12) Christian Hammer - I don't rate this guy at all. No kudos to be garnered here.
13) Andy Ruiz Jnr - Would be better than most of Deontay's opponents to date. Would make a fight of it but unlikely to win.
14) David Haye - Not yet fit but would give DW exposure, a good payout, and an easy night's work. Would attract criticism by the bucketload.
15) Mariusz Wach - Another Duhaupas. Would test the patience of a lot who still have some for Deontay.
16)Jarrell Miller - Interesting. Not a big name outside the hardcore and riskier than most. Unlikely at this stage.
17) Alexandr Ustinov - This guy refuses to disappear from the rankings despite having done fukc-all for as long as I can remember. Not viable.
18) Carloss Takam - That's not going to win the fans over.
19) Carlos Negron - Who he?
20) Gerald Washington - Enough said!

To me Dillian Whyte looks like the best option by a country mile ... or even a country-boy mile.

[KiwiRider]

Great post Mr Slim. If I can interject with Parker who was on NZ news tonight saying he is not ready for Joshua right now and thinks the Fury fight is a good step up for himself and his international profile. He does not go about touting his greatness, he is aware of his limitations.
Whether he improves or not is anyone's guess. But he is fully aware and admits he is the lesser of the belt holders and is on a learning curve.

[candyslim]

Fair play. Parker doesn't have delusions of grandeur and I respect him as a fighter and an honest man.

[asdfjkl]

Lol, I see on YouTube some people even claim Parker duck Wilder lol, where Wilder did everything he could to avoid his mandatory, and still does, does Parker do everything to actually face his mandatory.

Even if Parker wins Wilder his belt, then it would still be taken away immedietly because the mandatory hasn't been faced way to long, just like happened with Tyson Fury vs Charles Martin. Somehow if someone says that on such YouTube they simply remove his post lol.