We all know that judges, refferys have to be honest and 50:50 in a fight. The 2 boxers have even chances to win by being better than the other. We also know that head butting, excessive holding/wrestling, repeated low blows should be penalised very fast zaking action. Tell the boxer he is doing wrong and take a point if he contniues, take another point if he still doesnt stop, finally dq him.
My simple question is. How would boxing look like if it was what it is supposed to be, honest and following the rules? How would wards 10 times low blowing kovalev, floyd exvessive holding maidana, wlads wrestling povetkin etc end as an result and with judges being honest fair game and not following money or hometown boys?
How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
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boxing_rocks
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Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
It would look beautiful.
Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
Since it is a rethoric question i ll answer myself.
Fliyd would have like 2 losses. Ward also around 2-3 losses. Rigondeaux would have 1 loss. Wlad did excessive holding and wrestling more than actualy box in his fights over the last 8 years or so would have around 10 losses.
Fliyd would have like 2 losses. Ward also around 2-3 losses. Rigondeaux would have 1 loss. Wlad did excessive holding and wrestling more than actualy box in his fights over the last 8 years or so would have around 10 losses.
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asdfjkl
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Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
Only AJ would still have the same record.
Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
In a word ... "Unrecognizable"
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Boxing is just like real life. The more money you make, the more power you have...the more power you have...the more influence you have...and the more favorable decisions and preferential treatment you get. It will never change so it's frustrating to think about how great the sport could be if integrity existed somewhere in the sport.
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True words. But i think it could be done. Refferys, judges and commision should be totaly seperated from superstar boxer and promoters. I mean look at nfl or other sports. These sport make billions, but they are honest to a certain level. You got slow motion, fair refs, video etc..caldo2025 wrote:Boxing is just like real life. The more money you make, the more power you have...the more power you have...the more influence you have...and the more favorable decisions and preferential treatment you get. It will never change so it's frustrating to think about how great the sport could be if integrity existed somewhere in the sport.
I mean. I dont want boxing to be totalirity, but when someone low blow or holds somebody 100 times, than i want the ref to say "i take you 1 point for excessiv holding, its boxing not greco roman wrestling"
Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
You wouldn't think it would be too much to ask, would you?
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Thomastearns
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Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
Its been known since JFK and RFK that corruption in the highest places is very difficult and very dangerous to try to stamp out. This is the deep seated blatant law breaking corruption that is routinely enforced with threats of violence. You'll need military muscle to back you up if you want to tackle that one.
A more subtle form of corruption where rules are simply bent not broken, or loopholes are found, can be tackled by tightening and clarifying the rules if the will is there.
The problem with boxing is that the very people who run the sport and have always run the sport seem to feel they can operate above the law whilst putting on an act for the public. The last thing they want is to clean up the sport. And the way they treat ex-boxers is sickening. Do any sportsman get more exploited?
Unfortunately, as athletics found out once it became big business, the cheating increased exponentially. All the enforcement in the world can't stop it. The cheating just gets more 'sophisticated', and punishments are handed out according to rank. Superstars (big money) can almost do anything without sanction. Tyson's imprisonment would never have happened if he'd played ball, but he's Mike Tyson, and he didn't want to.
The GGG-Canelo fight is a big moment for the integrity of the sport. They better keep the dodgy stuff well hidden.
The only thing that would enforce change is if all the paying fans demand it. That could actually happen if the big money starts to move elsewhere.
The problem is that when times get hard Boxing always finds a saviour to rise up from the streets to save the day. Anthony Joshua's rise to superstardom is just another in a long line. And he's done it purely by his clean cut actions in the ring. No serious rumours, no gossip, nothing.
A more subtle form of corruption where rules are simply bent not broken, or loopholes are found, can be tackled by tightening and clarifying the rules if the will is there.
The problem with boxing is that the very people who run the sport and have always run the sport seem to feel they can operate above the law whilst putting on an act for the public. The last thing they want is to clean up the sport. And the way they treat ex-boxers is sickening. Do any sportsman get more exploited?
Unfortunately, as athletics found out once it became big business, the cheating increased exponentially. All the enforcement in the world can't stop it. The cheating just gets more 'sophisticated', and punishments are handed out according to rank. Superstars (big money) can almost do anything without sanction. Tyson's imprisonment would never have happened if he'd played ball, but he's Mike Tyson, and he didn't want to.
The GGG-Canelo fight is a big moment for the integrity of the sport. They better keep the dodgy stuff well hidden.
The only thing that would enforce change is if all the paying fans demand it. That could actually happen if the big money starts to move elsewhere.
The problem is that when times get hard Boxing always finds a saviour to rise up from the streets to save the day. Anthony Joshua's rise to superstardom is just another in a long line. And he's done it purely by his clean cut actions in the ring. No serious rumours, no gossip, nothing.
Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
It would look like an honest sport where rules applied
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Impractical Poster
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Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
Jip strikes again!
Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
Witty !asdfjkl wrote:Only AJ would still have the same record.
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asdfjkl
- Heavyweight
Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
Girls call me like that all the time, but what does it actually mean?ValMar wrote:Witty !asdfjkl wrote:Only AJ would still have the same record.
Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
It could be you doing the striking but then you'd need to be a boxing expert. Sorry to dash your hopesImpractical Poster wrote:Jip strikes again!
Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
There's only one way that happens, and that if it's an English gentlemen's sport, with nothing on the line, that no one follows. A sport where it is considered more important to be stylish and honourable than actually to do well. Basically if it wasn't much of a sport.
In anything competitive, people will do anything to win, that includes bending the rules, and if you don't, you'll lose to someone of similar ability who does.
In anything competitive, people will do anything to win, that includes bending the rules, and if you don't, you'll lose to someone of similar ability who does.
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Sequitorian
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Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
... uh ... boxing is what it is supposed to be ...
... not perfect ...
... but still the greatest achievement of Western Civilization ...
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Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
Exactly. The more paying fans demand for honesty, the more change would come. Boycott until fairness arrives for good.Thomastearns wrote:Its been known since JFK and RFK that corruption in the highest places is very difficult and very dangerous to try to stamp out. This is the deep seated blatant law breaking corruption that is routinely enforced with threats of violence. You'll need military muscle to back you up if you want to tackle that one.
A more subtle form of corruption where rules are simply bent not broken, or loopholes are found, can be tackled by tightening and clarifying the rules if the will is there.
The problem with boxing is that the very people who run the sport and have always run the sport seem to feel they can operate above the law whilst putting on an act for the public. The last thing they want is to clean up the sport. And the way they treat ex-boxers is sickening. Do any sportsman get more exploited?
Unfortunately, as athletics found out once it became big business, the cheating increased exponentially. All the enforcement in the world can't stop it. The cheating just gets more 'sophisticated', and punishments are handed out according to rank. Superstars (big money) can almost do anything without sanction. Tyson's imprisonment would never have happened if he'd played ball, but he's Mike Tyson, and he didn't want to.
The GGG-Canelo fight is a big moment for the integrity of the sport. They better keep the dodgy stuff well hidden.
The only thing that would enforce change is if all the paying fans demand it. That could actually happen if the big money starts to move elsewhere.
The problem is that when times get hard Boxing always finds a saviour to rise up from the streets to save the day. Anthony Joshua's rise to superstardom is just another in a long line. And he's done it purely by his clean cut actions in the ring. No serious rumours, no gossip, nothing.
Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
Only if you haven't watched any other highly competitive endeavours.candyslim wrote:You wouldn't think it would be too much to ask, would you?
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That doesn't suggest that officials can't, or shouldn't, strive to enforce the rules.BitPlayer wrote:There's only one way that happens, and that if it's an English gentlemen's sport, with nothing on the line, that no one follows. A sport where it is considered more important to be stylish and honourable than actually to do well. Basically if it wasn't much of a sport.
In anything competitive, people will do anything to win, that includes bending the rules, and if you don't, you'll lose to someone of similar ability who does.
Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
Ironically or not, it is a great difference.........asdfjkl wrote:Girls call me like that all the time, but what does it actually mean?ValMar wrote:Witty !asdfjkl wrote:Only AJ would still have the same record.
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asdfjkl
- Heavyweight
Re: How would boxing look like would honesty & rules actualy applied?
So girls call me a great difference? Oke, girls are confusing.ValMar wrote:Ironically or not, it is a great difference.........asdfjkl wrote:Girls call me like that all the time, but what does it actually mean?ValMar wrote:
Witty !