Why some people dislike Povetkin? I was upset that he couldn't drag Wilder in the ring.

[candyslim]

Nobody is forcing you to participate Caldo, and since you clearly can't be arsed to read the thread where the answer to your question is discussed in depth, I'll give a brief rundown:

1) Anybody with a working brain who doesn't worship at the altar of Deontay Wilder, has at some point played host to a fleeting, or not so fleeting, suspicion that there may have been more to the cancellation of the Moscow fight than appeared on the surface.

2) These suspicions have recently been compounded by the WBC's admission that there is no evidence to suggest that Mr. Povetkin ingested Meldonium at any time after 1st January 2016 in other words is was a fukc up or a stitch up, take your pick.

3) This is what is known as a miscarriage of justice and suggestive of possible corruption. Americans are supposed to care about such things.

4 ) Alexandr Povetkin is one of only five fighters in the world that would be attributed a 40% or better chance of defeating Deontay Wilder at this time . That list will almost certainly reduce by one within the next year (Klitschko) and may be down to two (ignoring possible replacements) before too long (Ortiz and Povetkin getting on in age)

Does that answer your question?

For the record I am not Russian and my only reason I am taking an interest in Povetkin is that he's a world-class heavyweight and I want to watch him fight at least one other world-class heavyweight before he retires. I always was an unreasonable bastard.

[greg]

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For the record I am not Russian and my only reason I am taking an interest in Povetkin is that he's a world-class heavyweight and I want to watch him fight at least one other world-class heavyweight before he retires. I always was an unreasonable bastard.

Just for the record, I AM Russian...with regard to Povetkin, I looked for and found no CREDIBLE evidence that would allow me to build a case that would exonerate Povetkin, he's just too small a cog in the system to justify any major conspiracy theories, etc..

[candyslim]

I think that gives your opinion more credibility than most Greg, (at least in terms of being unbiased) but if you're right then we're left with the fukc up option, which I guess I would have to concede is the lesser evil.

As a Russian though you understand why I was gutted that the fight got called off can't you? A genuine 50/50 between two of the best heavyweights in the world. We don't get enough of those

[Badhusker]

Old News, mixed with a lot of fake news by Povetkin's nut huggers.

[greg]

As a Russian though you understand why I was gutted that the fight got called off can't you? A genuine 50/50 between two of the best heavyweights in the world. We don't get enough of those

..sure, I for one, was looking forward to it just like many of us....and I'm not a fan of Wilder by a long shot but I just failed to find a reason to blame him for whatever followed..

[candyslim]

Contrary to popular opinion I am a fan of Wilder. Not the unquestioning, unthinking, uncritical type like so many on here, but I like him for the basic reason I like Klitschko, Ortiz, Povetkin, Fury, and Parker namely these are the guys that can really compete at the pinacle of the division along with Joshua. That makes them precious as without them we have even more title fights involving the Stivernes and Arreolas of this world.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Sorry guys I neglected to return to this thread after posting yesterday and I didn't realize many hadn't heard. Thanks Asdfjkl for posting the link for me. Catching up with this thread I see a few posts which ring very true to me. This one by Lackeos I think nails it:

Povetkin is the thorn in Wilder's side, so if they like Wilder, they hate Povetkin. Kind of like how Ward is Kovalev's boogeyman, so if they like Kovalev, they hate Ward. Kind of like how Pacquiao was Mayweather's boogeyman up until they fought, so if they like Mayweather, they hate Pacquiao.

A lot of boxing fans are fanatics for specific fighters, and they hate whoever poses a threat to that fighter's record, reputation, status, etc.. Although Wilder is slowly losing his following of fanatics, they aren't all gone yet.

I have to admit reading through all this sh!t I find pretty tedious, but the WBC aren't going to come out and say "Oh God, we're so sorry, we really fukced up and we are goiing to make sure we put things right straight away". No, the best you're likely to get is "There is no evidence that Mr. Povetkin ingested Meldonium at any time after 1st January 2016" and that's what they say in point 11 isn't it? Well if that's the case then Povetkin never had a case to answer did he?

I know sometimes Asdfjkl comes across as nutty as a fruit-cake and a bit of an obsessive but in among some of the over-the-top accusations, he makes some good points even on this thread already, and if you find it tiresome that not everyone is prepared to let these guys just brush it under the carpet along with Poviktim himself then tough-shit.

Look at the latest situation : Hey Bermane, when you fighting Wilder? Der I dunno, still waiting to hear. All I know is I'm next up and I ain't taking no step aside money. Hey Deontay when you fighting Stiverne? It's all agreed I'm just waiting to hear. There's no date yet.

What's the hold up? Why don't they get this crap-fest out the way so we can look forward to seeing Deontay fight a real opponent? I'm trying to fight my natural skepticism which is telling me that's precisely the point. People like Ortiz and Povetkin aren't getting any younger.

So that link from 10 months ago is your WBC admitted a mistake in the last few days? LOL, did you even read it? They never said he didn't have it in his system, what they did say was it wasn't completely conclusive that he ingested it after January of 2016, so they gave him a pass. Then he got popped again. Wow.

[Tanzio]

Contrary to popular opinion I am a fan of Wilder. Not the unquestioning, unthinking, uncritical type like so many on here, but I like him for the basic reason I like Klitschko, Ortiz, Povetkin, Fury, and Parker namely these are the guys that can really compete at the pinacle of the division along with Joshua. That makes them precious as without them we have even more title fights involving the Stivernes and Arreolas of this world.

Could you name those "unquestioning, unthinking, uncritical" Wilder fans on here? I can't think of any.

I was looking forward to Wilder v PEDvetkin in Moscow. I felt it was a toss up. I was very disappointed that it did not happen because Wilder was finally taking a proper step up in competition.

I have always felt that Wilder has been one top level pop on the button from doing a Bambi On Ice routine.

[Tanzio]

Sorry guys I neglected to return to this thread after posting yesterday and I didn't realize many hadn't heard. Thanks Asdfjkl for posting the link for me. Catching up with this thread I see a few posts which ring very true to me. This one by Lackeos I think nails it:

Povetkin is the thorn in Wilder's side, so if they like Wilder, they hate Povetkin. Kind of like how Ward is Kovalev's boogeyman, so if they like Kovalev, they hate Ward. Kind of like how Pacquiao was Mayweather's boogeyman up until they fought, so if they like Mayweather, they hate Pacquiao.

A lot of boxing fans are fanatics for specific fighters, and they hate whoever poses a threat to that fighter's record, reputation, status, etc.. Although Wilder is slowly losing his following of fanatics, they aren't all gone yet.

I have to admit reading through all this sh!t I find pretty tedious, but the WBC aren't going to come out and say "Oh God, we're so sorry, we really fukced up and we are goiing to make sure we put things right straight away". No, the best you're likely to get is "There is no evidence that Mr. Povetkin ingested Meldonium at any time after 1st January 2016" and that's what they say in point 11 isn't it? Well if that's the case then Povetkin never had a case to answer did he?

I know sometimes Asdfjkl comes across as nutty as a fruit-cake and a bit of an obsessive but in among some of the over-the-top accusations, he makes some good points even on this thread already, and if you find it tiresome that not everyone is prepared to let these guys just brush it under the carpet along with Poviktim himself then tough-shit.

Look at the latest situation : Hey Bermane, when you fighting Wilder? Der I dunno, still waiting to hear. All I know is I'm next up and I ain't taking no step aside money. Hey Deontay when you fighting Stiverne? It's all agreed I'm just waiting to hear. There's no date yet.

What's the hold up? Why don't they get this crap-fest out the way so we can look forward to seeing Deontay fight a real opponent? I'm trying to fight my natural skepticism which is telling me that's precisely the point. People like Ortiz and Povetkin aren't getting any younger.

So that link from 10 months ago is your WBC admitted a mistake in the last few days? LOL, did you even read it? They never said he didn't have it in his system, what they did say was it wasn't completely conclusive that he ingested it after January of 2016, so they gave him a pass. Then he got popped again. Wow.

Stop being a "unquestioning, unthinking, uncritical type" Saad.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Contrary to popular opinion I am a fan of Wilder. Not the unquestioning, unthinking, uncritical type like so many on here, but I like him for the basic reason I like Klitschko, Ortiz, Povetkin, Fury, and Parker namely these are the guys that can really compete at the pinacle of the division along with Joshua. That makes them precious as without them we have even more title fights involving the Stivernes and Arreolas of this world.

Could you name those "unquestioning, unthinking, uncritical" Wilder fans on here? I can't think of any.

I was looking forward to Wilder v PEDvetkin in Moscow. I felt it was a toss up. I was very disappointed that it did not happen because Wilder was finally taking a proper step up in competition.

I have always felt that Wilder has been one top level pop on the button from doing a Bambi On Ice routine.

Yeah, Slim is rifling off odd accusations these days. I cheer for Wilder now because everyone hates him on here to the point that it's his fault his opponent got busted for PED's. He's fun to watch, awkward, powerful and vulnerable. He could lose or win at any moment. I never really bothered with him until he fought Stiverne. He was long one of the most detested figures on this forum by then.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Sorry guys I neglected to return to this thread after posting yesterday and I didn't realize many hadn't heard. Thanks Asdfjkl for posting the link for me. Catching up with this thread I see a few posts which ring very true to me. This one by Lackeos I think nails it:



I have to admit reading through all this sh!t I find pretty tedious, but the WBC aren't going to come out and say "Oh God, we're so sorry, we really fukced up and we are goiing to make sure we put things right straight away". No, the best you're likely to get is "There is no evidence that Mr. Povetkin ingested Meldonium at any time after 1st January 2016" and that's what they say in point 11 isn't it? Well if that's the case then Povetkin never had a case to answer did he?

I know sometimes Asdfjkl comes across as nutty as a fruit-cake and a bit of an obsessive but in among some of the over-the-top accusations, he makes some good points even on this thread already, and if you find it tiresome that not everyone is prepared to let these guys just brush it under the carpet along with Poviktim himself then tough-shit.

Look at the latest situation : Hey Bermane, when you fighting Wilder? Der I dunno, still waiting to hear. All I know is I'm next up and I ain't taking no step aside money. Hey Deontay when you fighting Stiverne? It's all agreed I'm just waiting to hear. There's no date yet.

What's the hold up? Why don't they get this crap-fest out the way so we can look forward to seeing Deontay fight a real opponent? I'm trying to fight my natural skepticism which is telling me that's precisely the point. People like Ortiz and Povetkin aren't getting any younger.

So that link from 10 months ago is your WBC admitted a mistake in the last few days? LOL, did you even read it? They never said he didn't have it in his system, what they did say was it wasn't completely conclusive that he ingested it after January of 2016, so they gave him a pass. Then he got popped again. Wow.

Stop being a "unquestioning, unthinking, uncritical type" Saad.

I was impressed when he went back and watched Tyson and admitted he was wrong about his style. His stubbornness here is epic. Compounded by the fact that he knows so little about the subject matter that he thinks news that we all knew almost a year ago is as fresh as Trump's breakfast argument this morning.

[Tanzio]

Contrary to popular opinion I am a fan of Wilder. Not the unquestioning, unthinking, uncritical type like so many on here, but I like him for the basic reason I like Klitschko, Ortiz, Povetkin, Fury, and Parker namely these are the guys that can really compete at the pinacle of the division along with Joshua. That makes them precious as without them we have even more title fights involving the Stivernes and Arreolas of this world.

Could you name those "unquestioning, unthinking, uncritical" Wilder fans on here? I can't think of any.

I was looking forward to Wilder v PEDvetkin in Moscow. I felt it was a toss up. I was very disappointed that it did not happen because Wilder was finally taking a proper step up in competition.

I have always felt that Wilder has been one top level pop on the button from doing a Bambi On Ice routine.

Yeah, Slim is rifling off odd accusations these days. I cheer for Wilder now because everyone hates him on here to the point that it's his fault his opponent got busted for PED's. He's fun to watch, awkward, powerful and vulnerable. He could lose or win at any moment. I never really bothered with him until he fought Stiverne. He was long one of the most detested figures on this forum by then.

I am the same with Wilder and SOGgy. I have been very critical of both but the angry hater mobs put me in the position of defending them. Height of irony.

[Tanzio]

So that link from 10 months ago is your WBC admitted a mistake in the last few days? LOL, did you even read it? They never said he didn't have it in his system, what they did say was it wasn't completely conclusive that he ingested it after January of 2016, so they gave him a pass. Then he got popped again. Wow.

Stop being a "unquestioning, unthinking, uncritical type" Saad.

I was impressed when he went back and watched Tyson and admitted he was wrong about his style. His stubbornness here is epic. Compounded by the fact that he knows so little about the subject matter that he thinks news that we all knew almost a year ago is as fresh as Trump's breakfast argument this morning.

I like SweetSkinny, though he is a lot short on the straight part of the latter.

[ValMar]

Could you name those "unquestioning, unthinking, uncritical" Wilder fans on here? I can't think of any.

I was looking forward to Wilder v PEDvetkin in Moscow. I felt it was a toss up. I was very disappointed that it did not happen because Wilder was finally taking a proper step up in competition.

I have always felt that Wilder has been one top level pop on the button from doing a Bambi On Ice routine.

Yeah, Slim is rifling off odd accusations these days. I cheer for Wilder now because everyone hates him on here to the point that it's his fault his opponent got busted for PED's. He's fun to watch, awkward, powerful and vulnerable. He could lose or win at any moment. I never really bothered with him until he fought Stiverne. He was long one of the most detested figures on this forum by then.

I am the same with Wilder and SOGgy. I have been very critical of both but the angry hater mobs put me in the position of defending them. Height of irony.

Tanzio, I always defend Wilder, I am sure that he is precious for HW. I am not a hater, but I can not imagine any genuine boxing fan rooting for Son of judges/refs/promoters.............

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Could you name those "unquestioning, unthinking, uncritical" Wilder fans on here? I can't think of any.

I was looking forward to Wilder v PEDvetkin in Moscow. I felt it was a toss up. I was very disappointed that it did not happen because Wilder was finally taking a proper step up in competition.

I have always felt that Wilder has been one top level pop on the button from doing a Bambi On Ice routine.

Yeah, Slim is rifling off odd accusations these days. I cheer for Wilder now because everyone hates him on here to the point that it's his fault his opponent got busted for PED's. He's fun to watch, awkward, powerful and vulnerable. He could lose or win at any moment. I never really bothered with him until he fought Stiverne. He was long one of the most detested figures on this forum by then.

I am the same with Wilder and SOGgy. I have been very critical of both but the angry hater mobs put me in the position of defending them. Height of irony.

Back in the Floyd/Pac days I was called a hugger and hater of both on a weekly basis. The truth was I hated them both.

[world ranked]

Yeah, Slim is rifling off odd accusations these days. I cheer for Wilder now because everyone hates him on here to the point that it's his fault his opponent got busted for PED's. He's fun to watch, awkward, powerful and vulnerable. He could lose or win at any moment. I never really bothered with him until he fought Stiverne. He was long one of the most detested figures on this forum by then.

I am the same with Wilder and SOGgy. I have been very critical of both but the angry hater mobs put me in the position of defending them. Height of irony.

Tanzio, I always defend Wilder, I am sure that he is precious for HW. I am not a hater, but I can not imagine any genuine boxing fan rooting for Son of judges/refs/promoters.............

I'm not a fan of Ward but did he lose to Kovalev the first fight yes imo. Was those shots low on Kovalev in the second fight yes. But to me he's still the best SMW ever imo. And is a HOF. Did I root for him vs Kovalev yes but I'm a genuine and honest boxing fan. It's not unreasonable for Ward to have fans.

[caldo2025]

Nobody is forcing you to participate Caldo, and since you clearly can't be arsed to read the thread where the answer to your question is discussed in depth, I'll give a brief rundown:

1) Anybody with a working brain who doesn't worship at the altar of Deontay Wilder, has at some point played host to a fleeting, or not so fleeting, suspicion that there may have been more to the cancellation of the Moscow fight than appeared on the surface.

2) These suspicions have recently been compounded by the WBC's admission that there is no evidence to suggest that Mr. Povetkin ingested Meldonium at any time after 1st January 2016 in other words is was a fukc up or a stitch up, take your pick.

3) This is what is known as a miscarriage of justice and suggestive of possible corruption. Americans are supposed to care about such things.

4 ) Alexandr Povetkin is one of only five fighters in the world that would be attributed a 40% or better chance of defeating Deontay Wilder at this time . That list will almost certainly reduce by one within the next year (Klitschko) and may be down to two (ignoring possible replacements) before too long (Ortiz and Povetkin getting on in age)

Does that answer your question?

For the record I am not Russian and my only reason I am taking an interest in Povetkin is that he's a world-class heavyweight and I want to watch him fight at least one other world-class heavyweight before he retires. I always was an unreasonable bastard.

No, sorry. Did you see how great your boy does in title fights? WHO the F would want to travel to Russia and be hugged to death by this junky? I don't blame Wilder if he planted a needle in Povetkin's ass himself. This is what i'm saying...who the F wants to see this guy on tv bore the masses again? I sat through one of those ridiculous fights already and now I have to see this punks name all over this site by the same few goons that can't shut up about a guy that has had one fight in 2 years but a million court cases. GET OVER IT....OR TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE ALREADY. My goodness. What a lame group of idiots you guys are. I'd think more highly of you if you discussed Dungeons and Dragons this energetically.

Stop tying up space on the site with this BS please. No one wants to see it...definitly no one wants to read it. just go away for a while and come back when your boyfriend is out of your system. Get the F over it

[Badhusker]

Nobody is forcing you to participate Caldo, and since you clearly can't be arsed to read the thread where the answer to your question is discussed in depth, I'll give a brief rundown:

1) Anybody with a working brain who doesn't worship at the altar of Deontay Wilder, has at some point played host to a fleeting, or not so fleeting, suspicion that there may have been more to the cancellation of the Moscow fight than appeared on the surface.

2) These suspicions have recently been compounded by the WBC's admission that there is no evidence to suggest that Mr. Povetkin ingested Meldonium at any time after 1st January 2016 in other words is was a fukc up or a stitch up, take your pick.

3) This is what is known as a miscarriage of justice and suggestive of possible corruption. Americans are supposed to care about such things.

4 ) Alexandr Povetkin is one of only five fighters in the world that would be attributed a 40% or better chance of defeating Deontay Wilder at this time . That list will almost certainly reduce by one within the next year (Klitschko) and may be down to two (ignoring possible replacements) before too long (Ortiz and Povetkin getting on in age)

Does that answer your question?

For the record I am not Russian and my only reason I am taking an interest in Povetkin is that he's a world-class heavyweight and I want to watch him fight at least one other world-class heavyweight before he retires. I always was an unreasonable bastard.

No, sorry. Did you see how great your boy does in title fights? WHO the F would want to travel to Russia and be hugged to death by this junky? I don't blame Wilder if he planted a needle in Povetkin's ass himself. This is what i'm saying...who the F wants to see this guy on tv bore the masses again? I sat through one of those ridiculous fights already and now I have to see this punks name all over this site by the same few goons that can't shut up about a guy that has had one fight in 2 years but a million court cases. GET OVER IT....OR TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE ALREADY. My goodness. What a lame group of idiots you guys are. I'd think more highly of you if you discussed Dungeons and Dragons this energetically.

Stop tying up space on the site with this BS please. No one wants to see it...definitly no one wants to read it. just go away for a while and come back when your boyfriend is out of your system. Get the F over it

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[Blodhemn]

Back in the Floyd/Pac days I was called a hugger and hater of both on a weekly basis. The truth was I hated them both.

When this board was more frequented, I remember being called a racist against both blacks and whites in about a span of a week. I'm not sure if the board has gotten better or worse since then, or maybe simply participating less makes it better by default. Boxing fans are crazy.

[crusader]

Povetkin hugs his opponents to death?

That's a bizarre characterization; he's not a prolific holder at all and for the most part has given aggressive stoppage performances over the last several years. That post sounds like it was written by someone who hasn't seen him fight.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Back in the Floyd/Pac days I was called a hugger and hater of both on a weekly basis. The truth was I hated them both.

When this board was more frequented, I remember being called a racist against both blacks and whites in about a span of a week. I'm not sure if the board has gotten better or worse since then, or maybe simply participating less makes it better by default. Boxing fans are crazy.

I remember Diddy going berserk on my biased British home lust for picking froch over ward.

[asdfjkl]

I've been called a Russian piles of times for being honest about an innocent men. The piles of repetative hateposts around him, the false occusations, the fakeresults, even the American court, who still claims Povetkin is guilty in the Meldonium case, who actually stole several milion of dollars from Povetkin and his team. While Wada on the other side two weeks ago changed their own rules and said that 100 nanogram Meldonium or less is from now on always allowed, so even if Povetkin now has it back in his body, it would still be no problem any more for Wada.
Wilder was the guy claiming he could get killed by a guy who had 0.000000000070 gram of Meldonium in his body! I see wrong spelled names, I see retarded people who genuinly think this innocent men has done anything he wasn't allowed to. Also, whenever Povetkin isn't guilty, they ask me to proof he isn't, I have to find all kind of reliable sources that proof me right. That's so annoying, if I would ask something similar about Wilder, nobody could ever show me any evidence of Wilder not taking piles of weed before all matches, when Szpilka asked, nobody could proof Wilder was innocent when it came to doping. Ridiculous, but true, same story around Stiverne btw.

[Blodhemn]

I remember Diddy going berserk on my biased British home lust for picking froch over ward.

Biased British ass across the pond all the way to Baltimore. Dude thought I was Euro as well, I just went along with it.

[candyslim]

You know over the last few weeks I been thinking I've been spending way too much time on here, reading and typing, typing and reading, when there are other things I could and should be doing. I sat here one whole sunny saturday a short while back ffs. Truth is I found it quite addictive being able to talk boxing with a host of like-minded people from around the world, many of whom know way more about the sport than I do. Previously the best I could do was a few casuals at work. I was going to find my newly aquired addiction hard to break.

Well I switch on this morning to be confronted with a shit-storm of hate over a mistake it seems I made and suddenly it's not looking quite so hard.

Yes I did read the article, I saw the date in the top right hand corner and wrongly took that to mean it was a new pronouncement. I guess I was expecting to see that based on what another poster had said, and based on Povetkin's reinstatement by the WBA and WBO. I don't discount the possibility that the WBC may make a similar move not necessarily anytime soon, something seems to be going on behind the scenes, but like I said, it won't be an apology, we got it wrong, it will be done without fuss or not all.

I don't retract what I have said all along that Povetkin may have been the victim of a miscarriage of justice, but it's clear to me now that I was wrong in what I said about the WBC having admitted it, so I apologize to each and every one of you unreservedly for having fukced up and jumped the gun.

All I will say in my defence is my crime stems from wanting to watch the best fighters in the world free to fight each other with none unfairly frozen out by any of these self-serving governing bodies, I mean all of the corrupt bastards, not just the WBC. I'm sure I heard recently that the WBO have Alexandr Ustinov at number two in their rankings. The guy hasn't even fought anyone for I don't know how long and who has he beaten anyway, a washed up David Tua back in 2013. How TF can anyone make a case for that or pretend that it's anything other than the ranking has been sold for money? Say what you like about Box-recs rankings, they throw up some curious anomalies from time to time, but it least you know they're genuine and above board and not reflective of who's paid the most money.

Anyway thank you for letting me share your community it's been fun. I'm sure I'm not going to be able to resist looking in occasionally but the plan is, I'm going to take Caldo and Badhusker up on their suggestion. Now seems a good time.

Good luck to everyone of you in the future.

[asdfjkl]

Povetkin hugs his opponents to death?

That's a bizarre characterization; he's not a prolific holder at all and for the most part has given aggressive stoppage performances over the last several years. That post sounds like it was written by someone who hasn't seen him fight.

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