Only biased Pacman's fans would call this "robbery"

[Tanzio]

I'm not saying they're always right by a long shot, but they're a guide and when they're not close it usually tells us something. We had the fight about the same.

You are absolutely right. When punch stats are not close it tells us that punch stats are not close.

Now continue backing away slowly from the punch stats.

If there are no knockdowns and the punch stats have a 2-1 ratio in favor of fighter A, it's safe to say fighter A would deserve to win >95% of the time. Now go get into a fight with someone else.

The punch stats were way the fvck off the entire fight, Tony. Punch stats have always been a bogus ploy for talking heads to rationalize bullshit decisions.

Last night they were completely on tilt. They represent nothing close to reality.

[AntonS]

I'm pretty shocked how many people thought horn won. I bet on horn to add interest so I'm pleased, but he didn't win.

Yes he did & congrats on your investment return.
What's done is done, so why go on & on & on about it ?? Just simply accept school teach beat a politician

We are not done discussing this, Anton! Take your finger off that ThreadLock button.

No intention doing so. ATM most comments are quite humorous

[gilgamesh]

It was incompetent judging, plain and simple. Only way Horn won is if you think constantly moving forward and throwing a high volume of blocked and missed punches is a way to win a boxing match.

I'm pretty shocked how many people thought horn won. I bet on horn to add interest so I'm pleased, but he didn't win.

I'll bet nobody thinks Horn won that wasn't led by the British commentary or Bob Sheridan

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It was incompetent judging, plain and simple. Only way Horn won is if you think constantly moving forward and throwing a high volume of blocked and missed punches is a way to win a boxing match.

I'm pretty shocked how many people thought horn won. I bet on horn to add interest so I'm pleased, but he didn't win.

I'll bet nobody thinks Horn won that wasn't led by the British commentary or Bob Sheridan

Agreed

[Tanzio]

It was incompetent judging, plain and simple. Only way Horn won is if you think constantly moving forward and throwing a high volume of blocked and missed punches is a way to win a boxing match.

I'm pretty shocked how many people thought horn won. I bet on horn to add interest so I'm pleased, but he didn't win.

I'll bet nobody thinks Horn won that wasn't led by the British commentary or Bob Sheridan

I bet there are millions of Australians about to wake up with hangovers on Monday morning who are convinced that Horn won

[AntonS]

I'm pretty shocked how many people thought horn won. I bet on horn to add interest so I'm pleased, but he didn't win.

I'll bet nobody thinks Horn won that wasn't led by the British commentary or Bob Sheridan

I bet there are millions of Australians about to wake up with hangovers on Monday morning who are convinced that Horn won

Nah mate, it's only 1:30 am & we're still on the piss - celebrating We're celebrating Horn beating Pacman & couldn't give a fark it was WBO "world" title

[Tanzio]

I'll bet nobody thinks Horn won that wasn't led by the British commentary or Bob Sheridan

I bet there are millions of Australians about to wake up with hangovers on Monday morning who are convinced that Horn won

Nah mate, it's only 1:30 am & we're still on the piss - celebrating We're celebrating Horn beating Pacman & couldn't give a fark it was WBO "world" title

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Just because someone had a fight 8-4 doesn't mean 7-5 the other way is a robbery.

The problem is the must system. I score a clase round 10-9, but in many cases I admit the round could go either way.

You guys are holding on to your scores too tightly. The announcers are informing you to be that way.

The fight was close, that enough for me to accept any winner.

[gilgamesh]

Just because someone had a fight 8-4 doesn't mean 7-5 the other way is a robbery.

The problem is the must system. I score a clase round 10-9, but in many cases I admit the round could go either way.

You guys are holding on to your scores too tightly. The announcers are informing you to be that way.

The fight was close, that enough for me to accept any winner.

Jeff Horn doesn't win this fight anywhere but Australia and that's all there is to it.

[Tanzio]

Just because someone had a fight 8-4 doesn't mean 7-5 the other way is a robbery.

The problem is the must system. I score a clase round 10-9, but in many cases I admit the round could go either way.

You guys are holding on to your scores too tightly. The announcers are informing you to be that way.

The fight was close, that enough for me to accept any winner.

Jeff Horn doesn't win this fight anywhere but Australia and that's all there is to it.

I agree with BI here. Too many people immediately assume nefarious activity if a decision does not reflect their opinion of a fight. There were just too many close rounds last night to conclude that the fix was in.

I also do not agree that it is a foregone conclusion that Horn would have lost anywhere but Australia. The judges were not Australian. The ref was not Australian.

It was a close fight and there is nothing glaringly wrong about 115-113 cards for Horn.

[gilgamesh]

Just because someone had a fight 8-4 doesn't mean 7-5 the other way is a robbery.

The problem is the must system. I score a clase round 10-9, but in many cases I admit the round could go either way.

You guys are holding on to your scores too tightly. The announcers are informing you to be that way.

The fight was close, that enough for me to accept any winner.

Jeff Horn doesn't win this fight anywhere but Australia and that's all there is to it.

I agree with BI here. Too many people immediately assume nefarious activity if a decision does not reflect their opinion of a fight. There were just too many close rounds last night to conclude that the fix was in.

I also do not agree that it is a foregone conclusion that Horn would have lost anywhere but Australia. The judges were not Australian. The ref was not Australian.

It was a close fight and there is nothing glaringly wrong about 115-113 cards for Horn.

Arum wanted to get in on the Australian market. He has a piece of Joseph Parker now thanks to this. That's more than just a coincidence don't ya think?

Anywhere but Australia, and we're not talking about an upset today.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Just because someone had a fight 8-4 doesn't mean 7-5 the other way is a robbery.

The problem is the must system. I score a clase round 10-9, but in many cases I admit the round could go either way.

You guys are holding on to your scores too tightly. The announcers are informing you to be that way.

The fight was close, that enough for me to accept any winner.

Jeff Horn doesn't win this fight anywhere but Australia and that's all there is to it.

I agree with BI here. Too many people immediately assume nefarious activity if a decision does not reflect their opinion of a fight. There were just too many close rounds last night to conclude that the fix was in.

I also do not agree that it is a foregone conclusion that Horn would have lost anywhere but Australia. The judges were not Australian. The ref was not Australian.

It was a close fight and there is nothing glaringly wrong about 115-113 cards for Horn.

When I first started posting on this forum, the board would have been roasting Manny.

Now, every close fight is somehow the end of boxing. I think Horns efforts are being completely ignored. It was a close fight.

Regardless of where it happened, if you can't UNDERSTAND 7 rounds for Horn, you can't score fights.

Doesn't mean you have to score it that way, but 7-5 Horn is reasonable.

[gilgamesh]

Jeff Horn doesn't win this fight anywhere but Australia and that's all there is to it.

I agree with BI here. Too many people immediately assume nefarious activity if a decision does not reflect their opinion of a fight. There were just too many close rounds last night to conclude that the fix was in.

I also do not agree that it is a foregone conclusion that Horn would have lost anywhere but Australia. The judges were not Australian. The ref was not Australian.

It was a close fight and there is nothing glaringly wrong about 115-113 cards for Horn.

When I first started posting on this forum, the board would have been roasting Manny.

Now, every close fight is somehow the end of boxing. I think Horns efforts are being completely ignored. It was a close fight.

Regardless of where it happened, if you can't UNDERSTAND 7 rounds for Horn, you can't score fights.

Doesn't mean you have to score it that way, but 7-5 Horn is reasonable.

You're having to give Horn the benefit of the doubt in every close round, and you're giving him rounds where he was clearly outlanded to have him winning.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I agree with BI here. Too many people immediately assume nefarious activity if a decision does not reflect their opinion of a fight. There were just too many close rounds last night to conclude that the fix was in.

I also do not agree that it is a foregone conclusion that Horn would have lost anywhere but Australia. The judges were not Australian. The ref was not Australian.

It was a close fight and there is nothing glaringly wrong about 115-113 cards for Horn.

When I first started posting on this forum, the board would have been roasting Manny.

Now, every close fight is somehow the end of boxing. I think Horns efforts are being completely ignored. It was a close fight.

Regardless of where it happened, if you can't UNDERSTAND 7 rounds for Horn, you can't score fights.

Doesn't mean you have to score it that way, but 7-5 Horn is reasonable.

You're having to give Horn the benefit of the doubt in every close round, and you're giving him rounds where he was clearly outlanded to have him winning.

I think there were about 8 or 9 close rounds.
Both guys barely any round convincingly.
You guys are ruining boxing discussion.
Just echoing a media which is out of control in promoting PPV fights.

All of a sudden we're sounding like Stephen A Smith on Boxrec. 10 years ago we simply dismissed media people like him. Now these ESPN/TR/HBO PPV trolls are fornicating up our discussion of good fights.

[jujigatame]

To give Horn 7 rounds you have to basically give him every close round and value raw aggression and total punch count over all else.

Judging bias doesn't necessarily have to do with the nationality of the judges. Often it simply has to do with the way the crowd reacts to the fight, and the fact that the judges only have 1 static view of the match and can't always see when a guy is flailing away but not landing much of anything.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

When I first started posting on this forum, the board would have been roasting Manny.

Now, every close fight is somehow the end of boxing. I think Horns efforts are being completely ignored. It was a close fight.

Regardless of where it happened, if you can't UNDERSTAND 7 rounds for Horn, you can't score fights.

Doesn't mean you have to score it that way, but 7-5 Horn is reasonable.

You're having to give Horn the benefit of the doubt in every close round, and you're giving him rounds where he was clearly outlanded to have him winning.

I think there were about 8 or 9 close rounds.
Both guys barely any round convincingly.
You guys are ruining boxing discussion.
Just echoing a media which is out of control in promoting PPV fights.

All of a sudden we're sounding like Stephen A Smith on Boxrec. 10 years ago we simply dismissed media people like him. Now these ESPN/TR/HBO PPV trolls are effing up our discussion of good fights.

You should probably just never post again. God knows EVERYONE is happier when you're not here making this ruined board better with your constant racial politics on the current scene of a Boxing forum. Face it, nobody likes you.

[gilgamesh]

When I first started posting on this forum, the board would have been roasting Manny.

Now, every close fight is somehow the end of boxing. I think Horns efforts are being completely ignored. It was a close fight.

Regardless of where it happened, if you can't UNDERSTAND 7 rounds for Horn, you can't score fights.

Doesn't mean you have to score it that way, but 7-5 Horn is reasonable.

You're having to give Horn the benefit of the doubt in every close round, and you're giving him rounds where he was clearly outlanded to have him winning.

I think there were about 8 or 9 close rounds.
Both guys barely any round convincingly.
You guys are ruining boxing discussion.
Just echoing a media which is out of control in promoting PPV fights.

All of a sudden we're sounding like Stephen A Smith on Boxrec. 10 years ago we simply dismissed media people like him. Now these ESPN/TR/HBO PPV trolls are effing up our discussion of good fights.

Maybe I'm wrong but isn't a discussion saying "I scored it this way"..."Well...I scored it that way"...disagreements are technically discussions ya know. I'm not launching personal insults at anybody that disagrees with me, I'm just stating the way I saw it.

I'm not even playing that "You were led by false commentary" card like the other side is. (except for the one time, but I was jokingly giving them a taste of their own medicine)

I comment on what the subject of the thread is. If you want to talk something else, by all means start a thread about a different topic and I'll be there to put my 2 cents in on that.

Considering this is the news of the Boxing world for today, I find it perfectly reasonable that we should be talking about it.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

You're having to give Horn the benefit of the doubt in every close round, and you're giving him rounds where he was clearly outlanded to have him winning.

I think there were about 8 or 9 close rounds.
Both guys barely any round convincingly.
You guys are ruining boxing discussion.
Just echoing a media which is out of control in promoting PPV fights.

All of a sudden we're sounding like Stephen A Smith on Boxrec. 10 years ago we simply dismissed media people like him. Now these ESPN/TR/HBO PPV trolls are effing up our discussion of good fights.

You should probably just never post again. God knows EVERYONE is happier when you're not here making this ruined board better with your constant racial politics on the current scene of a Boxing forum. Face it, nobody likes you.

Oh no, Saad is making fun of me from the cool Boxrec lunch table.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Gilgamesh.
Part of an argument is how you frame the discussion.

Wife complaining to husband, husband says we can't talk about my drinking, but it's still a discussion ... men. Ha

I'm complaining that these discussions are being framed as robberies, which then cuts off complete interaction and open-mindedness.

Stop creating your one score. At the end of every fight I have a RANGE that I deem reasonable. When I say influenced by media, I mean sticking to one score and promoting it as such a closed reality. So Ledderman says 8-4, then says the judges got it right if they agree with him. That type of thinking is closed. So you won't be discussing to interact, you're just saying.

THIS ONE SCORE IS WHAT I THINK!!!!!

[gilgamesh]

Gilgamesh.
Part of an argument is how you frame the discussion.

Wife complaining to husband, husband says we can't talk about my drinking, but it's still a discussion ... men. Ha

I'm complaining that these discussions are being framed as robberies, which then cuts off complete interaction and open-mindedness.

Stop creating your one score. At the end of every fight I have a RANGE that I deem reasonable. When I say influenced by media, I mean sticking to one score and promoting it as such a closed reality. So Ledderman says 8-4, then says the judges got it right if they agree with him. That type of thinking is closed. So you won't be discussing to interact, you're just saying.

THIS ONE SCORE IS WHAT I THINK!!!!!

Anywhere in the 114-114 to 117-110 Pac range is reasonable. Horn winning is home cooking, and nothing more.

That leaves 6 or so potential scores that could be different from my own that I'd consider fair.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Gilgamesh.
Part of an argument is how you frame the discussion.

Wife complaining to husband, husband says we can't talk about my drinking, but it's still a discussion ... men. Ha

I'm complaining that these discussions are being framed as robberies, which then cuts off complete interaction and open-mindedness.

Stop creating your one score. At the end of every fight I have a RANGE that I deem reasonable. When I say influenced by media, I mean sticking to one score and promoting it as such a closed reality. So Ledderman says 8-4, then says the judges got it right if they agree with him. That type of thinking is closed. So you won't be discussing to interact, you're just saying.

THIS ONE SCORE IS WHAT I THINK!!!!!

Anywhere in the 114-114 to 117-110 Pac range is reasonable. Horn winning is home cooking, and nothing more.

That leaves 6 or so potential scores that could be different from my own that I'd consider fair.

Great, now I know what you're thinking. I think anything from 8-4 Horn to 8-4 Manny is reasonable.

When watching the 9th round, I told my dad who happened to be watching (regular cable ) that Manny won't try to KO Horn, amd the fight is still close.

Manny even looked like he was checking to make sure Horn was okay at the end of the 9th. Manny came in horrible shape, or was actually sick, and then didn't finish an opponent in a close fight.

I think Horn should get credit for fighting like Manny against Manny. He looked really big and strong in there. Also, I don't think Horns great body work for scored.

Then again, Horn is "white", and the super thug bully Saad labeled me a racist ... so I guess Manny won.

[gilgamesh]

Gilgamesh.
Part of an argument is how you frame the discussion.

Wife complaining to husband, husband says we can't talk about my drinking, but it's still a discussion ... men. Ha

I'm complaining that these discussions are being framed as robberies, which then cuts off complete interaction and open-mindedness.

Stop creating your one score. At the end of every fight I have a RANGE that I deem reasonable. When I say influenced by media, I mean sticking to one score and promoting it as such a closed reality. So Ledderman says 8-4, then says the judges got it right if they agree with him. That type of thinking is closed. So you won't be discussing to interact, you're just saying.

THIS ONE SCORE IS WHAT I THINK!!!!!

Anywhere in the 114-114 to 117-110 Pac range is reasonable. Horn winning is home cooking, and nothing more.

That leaves 6 or so potential scores that could be different from my own that I'd consider fair.

Great, now I know what you're thinking. I think anything from 8-4 Horn to 8-4 Manny is reasonable.

When watching the 9th round, I told my dad who happened to be watching (regular cable ) that Manny won't try to KO Horn, amd the fight is still close.

Manny even looked like he was checking to make sure Horn was okay at the end of the 9th. Manny came in horrible shape, or was actually sick, and then didn't finish an opponent in a close fight.

I think Horn should get credit for fighting like Manny against Manny. He looked really big and strong in there. Also, I don't think Horns great body work for scored.

Then again, Horn is "white", and the super thug bully Saad labeled me a racist ... so I guess Manny won.

Horn's a fun figher to watch. He'll definitely get credit for his effort and people will want to see him again. I'll never give him a win he didn't earn though.

For the record I had Marquez vs Pac 3 even closer than I had this. I had it 115-113 Marquez.

I never say it's reasonable that Pacquiao deserved the decision because it's not. It was close, but clear for Marquez or a draw. Manny didn't win.

Scores don't always have to be WAY lopsided to be clear.

[thunderfromdownunder]

I thought Horn won fairly clearly. Manny was missing and barely landing clean shots the whole night. He won clearly 3-4 rounds tops. Horn out worked him and in most rounds landed the cleaner shots. Those punch stats were bogus, and a lot of Manny ' s connects were off balance pitter pat counters.

Pacquiao is done as a top p4p fighter. He's simply "moonlighting" as a fighter now as Big George used to say.

Same. Don't get all the fuss. I noticed it's up on YouTube already so I'll give it another each during the week to see if I feel the same after a second time

[BAD INTENTIONS]

The real problem is the lack of draws.

The notion of a tie is so bothersome to men that we've created a stupid scoring system to justify indistingusibale efforts.

Manny and Horn was a draw.
Ward/Kovalev was a draw.
Fight again and the winner gets credit for both.

But no, I wanna cry robbery because I had the fight 8-4.
Because there's no way unbiased/perfect me could be wrong about 2 or 3 rounds.

[gilgamesh]

The real problem is the lack of draws.

The notion of a tie is so bothersome to men that we've created a stupid scoring system to justify indistingusibale efforts.

Manny and Horn was a draw.
Ward/Kovalev was a draw.
Fight again and the winner gets credit for both.

But no, I wanna cry robbery because I had the fight 8-4.
Because there's no way unbiased/perfect me could be wrong about 2 or 3 rounds.

That's right. No way I could be wrong about 3 rounds. You could have a reasonable disagreement with me on 2 of 'em. I'll give you that much.