**UPDATE** The Ring 147 LBS Ranking

[Ruthless-RKO]

Here is the new list:

1. Keith Thurman
2. Errol Spence
3. Shawn Porter
4. Kell Brook
5. Danny Garcia
6. Lamont Peterson
7. Lucas Matthysse
8. Jeff Horn
9. Manny Pacquiao
10. Jessie Vargas

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[crusader]

Horn a bit low for me, though I guess it makes sense if you think he was gifted.

I'd at least have him above Lucas, whose only win in the last two years is over Emmanuel Taylor.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Horn a bit low for me, though I guess it makes sense if you think he was gifted.

I'd at least have him above Lucas, whose only win in the last two years is over Emmanuel Taylor.

I'd have Pacquiao above Matthysse.. Never mind Horn..

[crusader]

I agree

Matt too high in these ratings for a guy who is unproven at 147 and looked faded in a stoppage loss two fights ago.

[Mexi-Box]

Jeff Horn is way too low. I'd have him at least above Danny Garcia.

[gilgamesh]

Jeff Horn is way too low. I'd have him at least above Danny Garcia.

Why?

Danny Garcia has actually beaten some top fighters, not just been gifted decisions against them.

[gilgamesh]

Here's my Top 15

Updated: As of July 2, 2017

Champion: Vacant

1. Keith Thurman - (last fought: 3-4-2017)
2. Errol Spence Jr. - (last fought: 5-27-2017)
3. Danny Garcia - (last fought: 3-4-2017)
4. Kell Brook - (last fought: 5-27-2017)
5. Shawn Porter - (last fought: 4-22-2017)
6. Jeff Horn - (last fought: 7-2-2017)
7. Manny Pacquiao - (last fought: 7-2-2017)
8. Jessie Vargas - (last fought: 11-5-2016)
9. Lamont Peterson - (last fought: 2-18-2017)
10. Sadam Ali - (last fought: 1-28-2017)

11. Berlin Abreu - (last fought: 12-10-2016)
12. Luis Collazo - (last fought: 2-2-2017)
13. Lucas Matthysse - (last fought: 5-6-2017)
14. Bradley Skeete - (last fought: 6-2-2017)
15. Sam Eggington - (last fought: 5-13-2017)

[Mexi-Box]

Jeff Horn is way too low. I'd have him at least above Danny Garcia.

Why?

Danny Garcia has actually beaten some top fighters, not just been gifted decisions against them.

Garcia is coming off a loss, (laughable that you talk about gift decision), and his resume at WW is shallow as hell. Even if it was a robbery, Horn's one win and showing is a lot better. Garcia would not have done any better than Horn did against Pacquiao.

[Mexi-Box]

Here's my Top 15

Updated: As of July 2, 2017

Champion: Vacant

1. Keith Thurman - (last fought: 3-4-2017)
2. Errol Spence Jr. - (last fought: 5-27-2017)
3. Danny Garcia - (last fought: 3-4-2017)
4. Kell Brook - (last fought: 5-27-2017)
5. Shawn Porter - (last fought: 4-22-2017)
6. Jeff Horn - (last fought: 7-2-2017)
7. Manny Pacquiao - (last fought: 7-2-2017)
8. Jessie Vargas - (last fought: 11-5-2016)
9. Lamont Peterson - (last fought: 2-18-2017)
10. Sadam Ali - (last fought: 1-28-2017)

11. Berlin Abreu - (last fought: 12-10-2016)
12. Luis Collazo - (last fought: 2-2-2017)
13. Lucas Matthysse - (last fought: 5-6-2017)
14. Bradley Skeete - (last fought: 6-2-2017)
15. Sam Eggington - (last fought: 5-13-2017)

Porter under Garcia and Brook is crazy. His only loss as of late is to Thurman in a fight that could've gone either way (I personally thought Porter won that fight). No valid reason to have Garcia or Brook above him.

[gilgamesh]

Jeff Horn is way too low. I'd have him at least above Danny Garcia.

Why?

Danny Garcia has actually beaten some top fighters, not just been gifted decisions against them.

Garcia is coming off a loss, (laughable that you talk about gift decision), and his resume at WW is shallow as hell. Even if it was a robbery, Horn's one win and showing is a lot better. Garcia would not have done any better than Horn did against Pacquiao.

I know Garcia is coming off a loss. A SPLIT decision loss to Keith Thurman in a fairly close fight.

You don't only get ranked solely off of your last performance, but off of your career as a whole...at least as long as you still seem to be operating at the same level.

Garcia has wins over better fighters than Horn has ever beaten. Horn didn't beat Manny.

[gilgamesh]

Here's my Top 15

Updated: As of July 2, 2017

Champion: Vacant

1. Keith Thurman - (last fought: 3-4-2017)
2. Errol Spence Jr. - (last fought: 5-27-2017)
3. Danny Garcia - (last fought: 3-4-2017)
4. Kell Brook - (last fought: 5-27-2017)
5. Shawn Porter - (last fought: 4-22-2017)
6. Jeff Horn - (last fought: 7-2-2017)
7. Manny Pacquiao - (last fought: 7-2-2017)
8. Jessie Vargas - (last fought: 11-5-2016)
9. Lamont Peterson - (last fought: 2-18-2017)
10. Sadam Ali - (last fought: 1-28-2017)

11. Berlin Abreu - (last fought: 12-10-2016)
12. Luis Collazo - (last fought: 2-2-2017)
13. Lucas Matthysse - (last fought: 5-6-2017)
14. Bradley Skeete - (last fought: 6-2-2017)
15. Sam Eggington - (last fought: 5-13-2017)

Porter under Garcia and Brook is crazy. His only loss as of late is to Thurman in a fight that could've gone either way (I personally thought Porter won that fight). No valid reason to have Garcia or Brook above him.

Brook beat Porter...so there's a VERY valid reason to have Brook ahead of him. Garcia gave Thurman a harder time than Porter did I thought. Both fighters were close.

I think Porter and Garcia are on about the same level, but as of this moment Garcia has a better resume so he ranks higher.

[Mexi-Box]

Why?

Danny Garcia has actually beaten some top fighters, not just been gifted decisions against them.

Garcia is coming off a loss, (laughable that you talk about gift decision), and his resume at WW is shallow as hell. Even if it was a robbery, Horn's one win and showing is a lot better. Garcia would not have done any better than Horn did against Pacquiao.

I know Garcia is coming off a loss. A SPLIT decision loss to Keith Thurman in a fairly close fight.

You don't only get ranked solely off of your last performance, but off of your career as a whole...at least as long as you still seem to be operating at the same level.

Garcia has wins over better fighters than Horn has ever beaten. Horn didn't beat Manny.

It wasn't close at all. Thurman won that fight clear. Thurman beat Garcia clearer than he beat Porter (which wasn't clear at all).

Garcia hasn't been operating at the same level. His sole good win at WW was his win over Peterson at catchweight, and in that fight, several had Peterson winning it.

[Mexi-Box]

Here's my Top 15

Updated: As of July 2, 2017

Champion: Vacant

1. Keith Thurman - (last fought: 3-4-2017)
2. Errol Spence Jr. - (last fought: 5-27-2017)
3. Danny Garcia - (last fought: 3-4-2017)
4. Kell Brook - (last fought: 5-27-2017)
5. Shawn Porter - (last fought: 4-22-2017)
6. Jeff Horn - (last fought: 7-2-2017)
7. Manny Pacquiao - (last fought: 7-2-2017)
8. Jessie Vargas - (last fought: 11-5-2016)
9. Lamont Peterson - (last fought: 2-18-2017)
10. Sadam Ali - (last fought: 1-28-2017)

11. Berlin Abreu - (last fought: 12-10-2016)
12. Luis Collazo - (last fought: 2-2-2017)
13. Lucas Matthysse - (last fought: 5-6-2017)
14. Bradley Skeete - (last fought: 6-2-2017)
15. Sam Eggington - (last fought: 5-13-2017)

Porter under Garcia and Brook is crazy. His only loss as of late is to Thurman in a fight that could've gone either way (I personally thought Porter won that fight). No valid reason to have Garcia or Brook above him.

Brook beat Porter...so there's a VERY valid reason to have Brook ahead of him. Garcia gave Thurman a harder time than Porter did I thought. Both fighters were close.

I think Porter and Garcia are on about the same level, but as of this moment Garcia has a better resume so he ranks higher.

That win was too long ago to rate Brook solely on it. Porter has went on to do better things while Brook wasn't competing at the same level. Brook's current resume includes two losses. You can't rank someone ahead of another because they lost to that fighter years ago. It's been, what, almost 3 years ago that Brook beat Porter? Since then, Brook has wins over Donut Dan and other non-top fighters and two losses by KO.

[gilgamesh]

Garcia is coming off a loss, (laughable that you talk about gift decision), and his resume at WW is shallow as hell. Even if it was a robbery, Horn's one win and showing is a lot better. Garcia would not have done any better than Horn did against Pacquiao.

I know Garcia is coming off a loss. A SPLIT decision loss to Keith Thurman in a fairly close fight.

You don't only get ranked solely off of your last performance, but off of your career as a whole...at least as long as you still seem to be operating at the same level.

Garcia has wins over better fighters than Horn has ever beaten. Horn didn't beat Manny.

It wasn't close at all. Thurman won that fight clear. Thurman beat Garcia clearer than he beat Porter (which wasn't clear at all).

Garcia hasn't been operating at the same level. His sole good win at WW was his win over Peterson at catchweight, and in that fight, several had Peterson winning it.

How about instead of criticizing MY rankings you come up with your own? Rankings can always be debated, but unless you wanna come up with your own...shut up.

[Mexi-Box]

I know Garcia is coming off a loss. A SPLIT decision loss to Keith Thurman in a fairly close fight.

You don't only get ranked solely off of your last performance, but off of your career as a whole...at least as long as you still seem to be operating at the same level.

Garcia has wins over better fighters than Horn has ever beaten. Horn didn't beat Manny.

It wasn't close at all. Thurman won that fight clear. Thurman beat Garcia clearer than he beat Porter (which wasn't clear at all).

Garcia hasn't been operating at the same level. His sole good win at WW was his win over Peterson at catchweight, and in that fight, several had Peterson winning it.

How about instead of criticizing MY rankings you come up with your own? Rankings can always be debated, but unless you wanna come up with your own...shut up.

Your ratings are pretty bad and your logic is riddled with holes.

[gilgamesh]

I realize how long ago it was that Brook beat Porter, I also realize Porter has never done anything since to prove he's improved to the point that he's a better fighter than the Brook. Not yet.

He might get there with another big win, he's only 1 notch below Brook at the moment.

[gilgamesh]

Your ratings are pretty bad and your logic is riddled with holes.

They're not and it's not. Provide your own rankings if you wish. Notice whenever I disagree with rankings I don't nitpick 'em apart, I provide my own.

You can disagree with me if you want to. It's a forum, that's the point. Discussion. I have an answer for any question you want to ask about my rankings, if you don't like my answers I don't know what to tell you, but I have them. I trust my judgment more than yours. I'm sure you feel the same, which is why I encourage you to provide your own rankings.

[Ricky_]

Jeff Horn is ass.

[Sids]

Jeff Horn is way too low. I'd have him at least above Danny Garcia.

Why?

Danny Garcia has actually beaten some top fighters, not just been gifted decisions against them.

Garcia has some questionable wins on his record.

[ldlamb]

It wasn't close at all. Thurman won that fight clear. Thurman beat Garcia clearer than he beat Porter (which wasn't clear at all).

Garcia hasn't been operating at the same level. His sole good win at WW was his win over Peterson at catchweight, and in that fight, several had Peterson winning it.

How about instead of criticizing MY rankings you come up with your own? Rankings can always be debated, but unless you wanna come up with your own...shut up.

Your ratings are pretty bad and your logic is riddled with holes.

I agree with Gilgamesh.

So far, you're outvoted.

[RScarf1]

Ring Magazine rates Horn lower than top 5 at 147 even though Pacquiao was top 5 in Ring ratings before the fight and Horn won by decision. Roman Gonzalez is No. 3 pound for pound after losing to Wangek. Ring is not consistent. They pick and choose what they want to acknowledge as a legitimate win or not. They obviously felt that Gonzalez deserved to win against Wangek, but they could not rate him higher than Wangek in the junior bantamweight division, so they rate Wangek No. 2 and Gonzalez No. 3 in the division, but have Gonzalez No. 3 pound for pound, basically inferring that they disagree with the decision of Wangek winning over Gonzalez.

[Best Coast]

Jeff Horn is way too low. I'd have him at least above Danny Garcia.

Why?

Danny Garcia has actually beaten some top fighters, not just been gifted decisions against them.

Garcia is coming off a loss, (laughable that you talk about gift decision), and his resume at WW is shallow as hell. Even if it was a robbery, Horn's one win and showing is a lot better. Garcia would not have done any better than Horn did against Pacquiao.

Garcia would dominate the one-dimensional brawler Horn, as would Thurman or Spence. And Horn's decision over Pac clearly WAS a gift.

[Best Coast]

Jeff Horn is way too low. I'd have him at least above Danny Garcia.

If you would have Horn AT LEAST above Garcia, does that also mean you would actually consider putting him above Spence or Thurman?!?

[Mexi-Box]

Jeff Horn is way too low. I'd have him at least above Danny Garcia.

If you would have Horn AT LEAST above Garcia, does that also mean you would actually consider putting him above Spence or Thurman?!?

I see that you are barely literate. When did I say that?

[Ossyrules]

Jeff Horn is way too low. I'd have him at least above Danny Garcia.

If you would have Horn AT LEAST above Garcia, does that also mean you would actually consider putting him above Spence or Thurman?!?

I see that you are barely literate. When did I say that?

What's your list mexi