Lomachenko's Accuracy

[Ricky_]

I got round to watching Loma-Sosa last night, and what really strikes me about this guy is his accuracy.

I'm not one for punch stats, but several times the HBO crew were citing landed punch stats of around 48-7 in favor of Lomachenko... now i'm not sure how accurate they stats were - but it was certainly in line with what I was watching.

This guys fists are like lasers, can you ever remember seeing a fighter so remarkably accurate as Hi-Tech?

Sky's the limit for how good Lomachenko can be, I think he has to be the best fighter in the world at the moment.

[crusader]

The accuracy disparity between him and Russell was massive too. Compubox had Russell landing at 10 percent, which matches my viewing and is the lowest connect rate I remember seeing for a world class fight. Loma, on the other hand, was landing pretty much every other power shot he threw. I can't believe that a good number of posters were backing Russell in a rematch...

114-114

[caldo2025]

I think that people need to pump the brakes on this kid. Walters was nowhere ready or willing for his fight with Loma so i can't really count the effort that guy put in that night because he was just getting a check that night and that's clearly been recognized by many. Everyone else was just enamored with being in the ring with the guy and let him do what he wanted to except for Salido. Salido said "nope, not on my watch". And he made it rough and he didn't let him get away with those peter pan punches. I think that Gary Russell and Walters were far from ready for those fights so they are not great judges. Salido opened my eyes that if you let this kid get on top of you, the fight will get away from you. You get on top of him and make this kid fight and all that razzle dazzle goes out the window.

[crusader]

So Walters and Russell weren't ready, but the Salido fight (Loma's SECOND pro bout) opened your eyes?

Erm, okay..

[Best Coast]

I got round to watching Loma-Sosa last night, and what really strikes me about this guy is his accuracy.

I'm not one for punch stats, but several times the HBO crew were citing landed punch stats of around 48-7 in favor of Lomachenko... now i'm not sure how accurate they stats were - but it was certainly in line with what I was watching.

This guys fists are like lasers, can you ever remember seeing a fighter so remarkably accurate as Hi-Tech?

Sky's the limit for how good Lomachenko can be, I think he has to be the best fighter in the world at the moment.

It would be interesting to see if you could get PunchStat numbers for all the recent fights Loma has had on premium cable TV!

[Ricky_]

I think that people need to pump the brakes on this kid. Walters was nowhere ready or willing for his fight with Loma so i can't really count the effort that guy put in that night because he was just getting a check that night and that's clearly been recognized by many. Everyone else was just enamored with being in the ring with the guy and let him do what he wanted to except for Salido. Salido said "nope, not on my watch". And he made it rough and he didn't let him get away with those peter pan punches. I think that Gary Russell and Walters were far from ready for those fights so they are not great judges. Salido opened my eyes that if you let this kid get on top of you, the fight will get away from you. You get on top of him and make this kid fight and all that razzle dazzle goes out the window.

Salido was hanging on for grim life in r12. This guy did nothing but fire low & wrestle - he didn't win the fight. This was also Loma's 2nd fight and he's progressed significantly. He'd beat Salido to a pulp if he wants the rematch.

[handsofstone]

Ive seen all the greats and most of the great fights and even already Lomachenko is by far my favourite fighter and on the eye test alone is in a league of his own or maybe with 5-10 other guys in history tops, he does need the big wins to be remembered though, people need to step up, I for certain wont be hating on Kellerman for his man crush

[Kalan]

I think that people need to pump the brakes on this kid. Walters was nowhere ready or willing for his fight with Loma so i can't really count the effort that guy put in that night because he was just getting a check that night and that's clearly been recognized by many. Everyone else was just enamored with being in the ring with the guy and let him do what he wanted to except for Salido. Salido said "nope, not on my watch". And he made it rough and he didn't let him get away with those peter pan punches. I think that Gary Russell and Walters were far from ready for those fights so they are not great judges. Salido opened my eyes that if you let this kid get on top of you, the fight will get away from you. You get on top of him and make this kid fight and all that razzle dazzle goes out the window.

Salido was hanging on for grim life in r12. This guy did nothing but fire low & wrestle - he didn't win the fight. This was also Loma's 2nd fight and he's progressed significantly. He'd beat Salido to a pulp if he wants the rematch.

This is true... Caldo doesn't know WTF he's talking about... Walters was supposed to fight Loma for years and kept getting cold feet, but Walters smashed Nonito Donaire who had a lot of great wins previously -- and he did it a lot faster, more dominantly, and more impressively than Rigondeaux beat him.. As far as the Salido fight is concerned.. Anybody who think Salido out-scored Lomachenko with legal punches is stone blind. And the bitch won't rematch.

Walters and Russell are going on the "Don't Fight" list because they lost to Lomachenko... Nobody is going to let them look good.

[EdwinValero]

Easily the most talented technical boxer i've seen in my short 20 years of life. As others have said, Loma needs a few names on his record to really boost himself into the stratosphere. Theres plenty of guys i'd love to see him get in with:
Gervonta Davis
Mikey Garcia
Leo Santa Cruz
Rigo

[Jip]

I got round to watching Loma-Sosa last night, and what really strikes me about this guy is his accuracy.

I'm not one for punch stats, but several times the HBO crew were citing landed punch stats of around 48-7 in favor of Lomachenko... now i'm not sure how accurate they stats were - but it was certainly in line with what I was watching.

This guys fists are like lasers, can you ever remember seeing a fighter so remarkably accurate as Hi-Tech?

Sky's the limit for how good Lomachenko can be, I think he has to be the best fighter in the world at the moment.

Also his footwork is on another level

[Ossyrules]

I think that people need to pump the brakes on this kid. Walters was nowhere ready or willing for his fight with Loma so i can't really count the effort that guy put in that night because he was just getting a check that night and that's clearly been recognized by many. Everyone else was just enamored with being in the ring with the guy and let him do what he wanted to except for Salido. Salido said "nope, not on my watch". And he made it rough and he didn't let him get away with those peter pan punches. I think that Gary Russell and Walters were far from ready for those fights so they are not great judges. Salido opened my eyes that if you let this kid get on top of you, the fight will get away from you. You get on top of him and make this kid fight and all that razzle dazzle goes out the window.

Salido was hanging on for grim life in r12. This guy did nothing but fire low & wrestle - he didn't win the fight. This was also Loma's 2nd fight and he's progressed significantly. He'd beat Salido to a pulp if he wants the rematch.

This is true... Caldo doesn't know WTF he's talking about... Walters was supposed to fight Loma for years and kept getting cold feet, but Walters smashed Nonito Donaire who had a lot of great wins previously -- and he did it a lot faster, more dominantly, and more impressively than Rigondeaux beat him.. As far as the Salido fight is concerned.. Anybody who think Salido out-scored Lomachenko with legal punches is stone blind. And the bitch won't rematch.

Walters and Russell are going on the "Don't Fight" list because they lost to Lomachenko... Nobody is going to let them look good.

Loma gets a pass of sorts from me due to it being only his second fight when he fought saldido. It does make me draw a line from worshipping him like some do. Check out mikey Garcia vs saldido to see how he should be dealt with by an elite fighter

[caldo2025]

I think that people need to pump the brakes on this kid. Walters was nowhere ready or willing for his fight with Loma so i can't really count the effort that guy put in that night because he was just getting a check that night and that's clearly been recognized by many. Everyone else was just enamored with being in the ring with the guy and let him do what he wanted to except for Salido. Salido said "nope, not on my watch". And he made it rough and he didn't let him get away with those peter pan punches. I think that Gary Russell and Walters were far from ready for those fights so they are not great judges. Salido opened my eyes that if you let this kid get on top of you, the fight will get away from you. You get on top of him and make this kid fight and all that razzle dazzle goes out the window.

Salido was hanging on for grim life in r12. This guy did nothing but fire low & wrestle - he didn't win the fight. This was also Loma's 2nd fight and he's progressed significantly. He'd beat Salido to a pulp if he wants the rematch.

This is true... Caldo doesn't know WTF he's talking about... Walters was supposed to fight Loma for years and kept getting cold feet, but Walters smashed Nonito Donaire who had a lot of great wins previously -- and he did it a lot faster, more dominantly, and more impressively than Rigondeaux beat him.. As far as the Salido fight is concerned.. Anybody who think Salido out-scored Lomachenko with legal punches is stone blind. And the bitch won't rematch.

Walters and Russell are going on the "Don't Fight" list because they lost to Lomachenko... Nobody is going to let them look good.

Look at Ricky and Kalan coming up with excuses for why Lomachenko got beat by Salido. They even pulled out one of my favorite excuses...the NO FAIR, HE CHEATED....i'm very surprised that they didn't use the HE WAS HEAVIER BECAUSE HE DIDN'T MAKE WEIGHT ON PURPOSE. Kalan used the BUT IT WAS ONLY LOMA'S SECOND FIGHT AS A PRO SO NA NA NA NA NA. Like the absolute infant he is. Only his second fight but it was a title fight...hmm. Funny how that happens ha? Like everything in his pro career, Loma just gets things handed to him undeservedly. Me? I'm glad that Salido slapped him all over that night and got his hand raised.

Yeah but Lomachenko is the best P4P fighter in the world...he couldn't even beat a chubby old Salido. Get real nerds.

[Ricky_]

Salido was hanging on for grim life in r12. This guy did nothing but fire low & wrestle - he didn't win the fight. This was also Loma's 2nd fight and he's progressed significantly. He'd beat Salido to a pulp if he wants the rematch.

This is true... Caldo doesn't know WTF he's talking about... Walters was supposed to fight Loma for years and kept getting cold feet, but Walters smashed Nonito Donaire who had a lot of great wins previously -- and he did it a lot faster, more dominantly, and more impressively than Rigondeaux beat him.. As far as the Salido fight is concerned.. Anybody who think Salido out-scored Lomachenko with legal punches is stone blind. And the bitch won't rematch.

Walters and Russell are going on the "Don't Fight" list because they lost to Lomachenko... Nobody is going to let them look good.

Look at Ricky and Kalan coming up with excuses for why Lomachenko got beat by Salido. They even pulled out one of my favorite excuses...the NO FAIR, HE CHEATED....i'm very surprised that they didn't use the HE WAS HEAVIER BECAUSE HE DIDN'T MAKE WEIGHT ON PURPOSE. Kalan used the BUT IT WAS ONLY LOMA'S SECOND FIGHT AS A PRO SO NA NA NA NA NA. Like the absolute infant he is. Only his second fight but it was a title fight...hmm. Funny how that happens ha? Like everything in his pro career, Loma just gets things handed to him undeservedly. Me? I'm glad that Salido slapped him all over that night and got his hand raised.

Yeah but Lomachenko is the best P4P fighter in the world...he couldn't even beat a chubby old Salido. Get real nerds.

Sounds like you didn't even watch the fight. Salido never really hurt Lomachenko. Salido a world champion, had to try and rough up a 1-fight pro just to make it close. In round 12 Lomachenko mashed his face in, the world champion was hanging on for grim life vs the 1-fight pro.

[caldo2025]

Salido was hanging on for grim life in r12. This guy did nothing but fire low & wrestle - he didn't win the fight. This was also Loma's 2nd fight and he's progressed significantly. He'd beat Salido to a pulp if he wants the rematch.

This is true... Caldo doesn't know WTF he's talking about... Walters was supposed to fight Loma for years and kept getting cold feet, but Walters smashed Nonito Donaire who had a lot of great wins previously -- and he did it a lot faster, more dominantly, and more impressively than Rigondeaux beat him.. As far as the Salido fight is concerned.. Anybody who think Salido out-scored Lomachenko with legal punches is stone blind. And the bitch won't rematch.

Walters and Russell are going on the "Don't Fight" list because they lost to Lomachenko... Nobody is going to let them look good.

Loma gets a pass of sorts from me due to it being only his second fight when he fought saldido. It does make me draw a line from worshipping him like some do. Check out mikey Garcia vs saldido to see how he should be dealt with by an elite fighter

So Mikey Garcia "dealt" with Salido? Like when Mikey Garcia quit because his nose got broken and they handed him the win? That was the first fight i've ever seen stopped because of a broken nose in my life. No matter how it happened, people break their noses all the time, that fight should have gone on. Mikey just quit and they handed it to him. Hardly an elite win.

[caldo2025]

This is true... Caldo doesn't know WTF he's talking about... Walters was supposed to fight Loma for years and kept getting cold feet, but Walters smashed Nonito Donaire who had a lot of great wins previously -- and he did it a lot faster, more dominantly, and more impressively than Rigondeaux beat him.. As far as the Salido fight is concerned.. Anybody who think Salido out-scored Lomachenko with legal punches is stone blind. And the bitch won't rematch.

Walters and Russell are going on the "Don't Fight" list because they lost to Lomachenko... Nobody is going to let them look good.

Look at Ricky and Kalan coming up with excuses for why Lomachenko got beat by Salido. They even pulled out one of my favorite excuses...the NO FAIR, HE CHEATED....i'm very surprised that they didn't use the HE WAS HEAVIER BECAUSE HE DIDN'T MAKE WEIGHT ON PURPOSE. Kalan used the BUT IT WAS ONLY LOMA'S SECOND FIGHT AS A PRO SO NA NA NA NA NA. Like the absolute infant he is. Only his second fight but it was a title fight...hmm. Funny how that happens ha? Like everything in his pro career, Loma just gets things handed to him undeservedly. Me? I'm glad that Salido slapped him all over that night and got his hand raised.

Yeah but Lomachenko is the best P4P fighter in the world...he couldn't even beat a chubby old Salido. Get real nerds.

Sounds like you didn't even watch the fight. Salido never really hurt Lomachenko. Salido a world champion, had to try and rough up a 1-fight pro just to make it close. In round 12 Lomachenko mashed his face in, the world champion was hanging on for grim life vs the 1-fight pro.

Ricky, you really love that performance in the 12th round ha? You do know that there were 11 other rounds. You must believe that Julio Caesar Chavez Jr. killed Sergio Martinez then ha? Lomachenko lost the fight...even he admits that he lost the fight. You guys should also admit it He got manhandled like a little bitch that night by a pro..and old pro that wasn't going to step aside and let the kid have everything.

[Roars Like Me]

With an amateur pedigree like his, it's not surprise as it's all about point scoring/accuracy. It just so happens he can bang too. Good luck to him

[Ossyrules]

This is true... Caldo doesn't know WTF he's talking about... Walters was supposed to fight Loma for years and kept getting cold feet, but Walters smashed Nonito Donaire who had a lot of great wins previously -- and he did it a lot faster, more dominantly, and more impressively than Rigondeaux beat him.. As far as the Salido fight is concerned.. Anybody who think Salido out-scored Lomachenko with legal punches is stone blind. And the bitch won't rematch.

Walters and Russell are going on the "Don't Fight" list because they lost to Lomachenko... Nobody is going to let them look good.

Loma gets a pass of sorts from me due to it being only his second fight when he fought saldido. It does make me draw a line from worshipping him like some do. Check out mikey Garcia vs saldido to see how he should be dealt with by an elite fighter

So Mikey Garcia "dealt" with Salido? Like when Mikey Garcia quit because his nose got broken and they handed him the win? That was the first fight i've ever seen stopped because of a broken nose in my life. No matter how it happened, people break their noses all the time, that fight should have gone on. Mikey just quit and they handed it to him. Hardly an elite win.

Watch the fight, from a lot of your posts I'm not convinced you watch fights

[caldo2025]

Loma gets a pass of sorts from me due to it being only his second fight when he fought saldido. It does make me draw a line from worshipping him like some do. Check out mikey Garcia vs saldido to see how he should be dealt with by an elite fighter

So Mikey Garcia "dealt" with Salido? Like when Mikey Garcia quit because his nose got broken and they handed him the win? That was the first fight i've ever seen stopped because of a broken nose in my life. No matter how it happened, people break their noses all the time, that fight should have gone on. Mikey just quit and they handed it to him. Hardly an elite win.

Watch the fight, from a lot of your posts I'm not convinced you watch fights

I watched it twice. It wasn't a tough fight to score and the decision was not criticized by a lot of people. Salido won the fight clearly in most people's minds. Most reasonable people's minds.

[Ricky_]

Look at Ricky and Kalan coming up with excuses for why Lomachenko got beat by Salido. They even pulled out one of my favorite excuses...the NO FAIR, HE CHEATED....i'm very surprised that they didn't use the HE WAS HEAVIER BECAUSE HE DIDN'T MAKE WEIGHT ON PURPOSE. Kalan used the BUT IT WAS ONLY LOMA'S SECOND FIGHT AS A PRO SO NA NA NA NA NA. Like the absolute infant he is. Only his second fight but it was a title fight...hmm. Funny how that happens ha? Like everything in his pro career, Loma just gets things handed to him undeservedly. Me? I'm glad that Salido slapped him all over that night and got his hand raised.

Yeah but Lomachenko is the best P4P fighter in the world...he couldn't even beat a chubby old Salido. Get real nerds.

Sounds like you didn't even watch the fight. Salido never really hurt Lomachenko. Salido a world champion, had to try and rough up a 1-fight pro just to make it close. In round 12 Lomachenko mashed his face in, the world champion was hanging on for grim life vs the 1-fight pro.

Ricky, you really love that performance in the 12th round ha? You do know that there were 11 other rounds. You must believe that Julio Caesar Chavez Jr. killed Sergio Martinez then ha? Lomachenko lost the fight...even he admits that he lost the fight. You guys should also admit it He got manhandled like a little bitch that night by a pro..and old pro that wasn't going to step aside and let the kid have everything.

You can't argue that Salido out-macho'd Lomachenko when the only fighter that was hurt and clinging on was Salido. And it was a close fight - not a clear win. 1 judge & fat Dan it had 6-6. It's worth factoring in Salido should have had at least 1 pt off.

I'm not entirely sure what you think that fight proves; how do you see a rematch going?

[Ossyrules]

So Mikey Garcia "dealt" with Salido? Like when Mikey Garcia quit because his nose got broken and they handed him the win? That was the first fight i've ever seen stopped because of a broken nose in my life. No matter how it happened, people break their noses all the time, that fight should have gone on. Mikey just quit and they handed it to him. Hardly an elite win.

Watch the fight, from a lot of your posts I'm not convinced you watch fights

I watched it twice. It wasn't a tough fight to score and the decision was not criticized by a lot of people. Salido won the fight clearly in most people's minds. Most reasonable people's minds.

Garcia fight I meant

[caldo2025]

Watch the fight, from a lot of your posts I'm not convinced you watch fights

I watched it twice. It wasn't a tough fight to score and the decision was not criticized by a lot of people. Salido won the fight clearly in most people's minds. Most reasonable people's minds.

Garcia fight I meant

Oh. My bad. No only watched it once. Garcia was clearly winning the fight but have you ever seen a fight stopped because of a broken nose? Be honest now. Imagine if fights were stopped because someone had a broken nose? Rocky wouldn't even have been a movie.

[Ossyrules]

I watched it twice. It wasn't a tough fight to score and the decision was not criticized by a lot of people. Salido won the fight clearly in most people's minds. Most reasonable people's minds.

Garcia fight I meant

Oh. My bad. No only watched it once. Garcia was clearly winning the fight but have you ever seen a fight stopped because of a broken nose? Be honest now. Imagine if fights were stopped because someone had a broken nose? Rocky wouldn't even have been a movie.

He got butted (intentionally?). I have some thoughts it went to the cards a bit quick. Garcia was absolutely battering him though

[caldo2025]

Sounds like you didn't even watch the fight. Salido never really hurt Lomachenko. Salido a world champion, had to try and rough up a 1-fight pro just to make it close. In round 12 Lomachenko mashed his face in, the world champion was hanging on for grim life vs the 1-fight pro.

Ricky, you really love that performance in the 12th round ha? You do know that there were 11 other rounds. You must believe that Julio Caesar Chavez Jr. killed Sergio Martinez then ha? Lomachenko lost the fight...even he admits that he lost the fight. You guys should also admit it He got manhandled like a little bitch that night by a pro..and old pro that wasn't going to step aside and let the kid have everything.

You can't argue that Salido out-macho'd Lomachenko when the only fighter that was hurt and clinging on was Salido. And it was a close fight - not a clear win. 1 judge & fat Dan it had 6-6. It's worth factoring in Salido should have had at least 1 pt off.

I'm not entirely sure what you think that fight proves; how do you see a rematch going?

Ricky, you can't argue like this. Come on. I know that you're better than this and you know what else? YOU know that you're better than this. I've seen you argue here on this thing and I've enjoyed watching you work but you can't let this one be on your record. You can't figure into scores that already happened with imaginary foul points. You can't say "oh yeah, what would happen if they fought today?". We have 12 rounds that have already been brought and chiseled into the mountain and it's now history...nothing can change it.

Salido will ALWAYS beat Lomachenko in that fight no matter how many excuses you come up with years after. If they fought tomorrow, i'd HOPE that Lomachenko would win considering Salido is now 57. But I'm sure he wouldn't lay down like the rest of Loma's opponents. But come on, be a man and just admit that it happened and the score was right. The right guy got his hand raised.

[caldo2025]

Garcia fight I meant

Oh. My bad. No only watched it once. Garcia was clearly winning the fight but have you ever seen a fight stopped because of a broken nose? Be honest now. Imagine if fights were stopped because someone had a broken nose? Rocky wouldn't even have been a movie.

He got butted (intentionally?). I have some thoughts it went to the cards a bit quick. Garcia was absolutely battering him though

I actually remember watching that fight and I felt that Salido was starting to make it interesting. I felt that Salido was going to give Garcia hell in those last 4 rounds and I remember being very disappointed in the fight ending like that because it had just turned into a fight. Salido started that fight very cold. We know Salido finishes fights and Garcia just quit. It wasn't deemed an intentional butt either so get that correct. It was unintentional head butt otherwise, they would have DQ'd Salido. Headbutts never happen in boxing right? Please

[caldo2025]

Garcia fight I meant

Oh. My bad. No only watched it once. Garcia was clearly winning the fight but have you ever seen a fight stopped because of a broken nose? Be honest now. Imagine if fights were stopped because someone had a broken nose? Rocky wouldn't even have been a movie.

He got butted (intentionally?). I have some thoughts it went to the cards a bit quick. Garcia was absolutely battering him though

And BTW, I do think that Loma is A LOT better fighter right now than a couple of years ago when he fought Salido. I do think that Loma was too green for that fight and it turned out to be true. But fans need to understand that the fight happened and we have to consider those results into our analysis of the top P4P fighters in the world. Most people throw that fight out for some reason. Why? It was only 2 years ago. That's recent history and it needs to be considered and that's why he's not my top P4P fighter.