Is Ohara Davis better than Terence Crawford?

[Jip]

Styles make fights. Had floyd brawl with canelo or maidana he wouldve get tko'd.

Had ohara fight from outside, quick in and out, than he surly wouldve won. Instead he decided to fight close up with a guy who has a good hook and who likes to fight close range and thats what happened.

So you're saying that if O'hara had adopted a competely different fighting style, one that we've never previously seen him employ before and is probably incapable of doing, then he wouldn't have lost to Taylor?

I think you're simply trying to dig yourself a giant hole.

It's like saying that if Andre Berto had better physical attributes, had much more skill, better handspeed, better timing, better strategy, fantastic foortwork, incredible ring generalship and vastly heavier-handed, then he would have beaten Floyd Mayweather Jr!

Incapable of boxing from outside haha

Physical atributes are limited. Paulie m cant ever become as athletic as prime mosley.

But tactic or technique can be changed or perfected.

[Enlightened-One]

Styles make fights. Had floyd brawl with canelo or maidana he wouldve get tko'd.

Had ohara fight from outside, quick in and out, than he surly wouldve won. Instead he decided to fight close up with a guy who has a good hook and who likes to fight close range and thats what happened.

So you're saying that if O'hara had adopted a competely different fighting style, one that we've never previously seen him employ before and is probably incapable of doing, then he wouldn't have lost to Taylor?

I think you're simply trying to dig yourself a giant hole.

It's like saying that if Andre Berto had better physical attributes, had much more skill, better handspeed, better timing, better strategy, fantastic foortwork, incredible ring generalship and vastly heavier-handed, then he would have beaten Floyd Mayweather Jr!

Incapable of boxing from outside haha

Has O'hara Davies ever boxed anyone from the outside before, against an opponent anywhere near as good as Josh Taylor?

Has O'hara Davies ever proven during his brief stint as an amateur, having only competed in 18 bouts, that he's capable of competing against top-notch opposition by fighting on the outside?

If O'hara Davies was granted an opportunity to fight Terence Crawford, do you still feel that he'd beat the American if he fought on the outside?

No one should be criticised if they are man enough to admit to being wrong, so it's better for you to come clean and concede that O'hara isn't as talented as you originally thought and that he got outgunned by Taylor in every single department of their one-sided, but action-pcked, bout.

[world ranked]

Fair play to Taylor he made me look silly. I was clearly wrong here.

Nothing wrong with being wrong mate, as long as you didn't go so far as to say Davis was better than Terence Crawford

I wouldn't dare

[Jip]

Styles make fights. Had floyd brawl with canelo or maidana he wouldve get tko'd.

Had ohara fight from outside, quick in and out, than he surly wouldve won. Instead he decided to fight close up with a guy who has a good hook and who likes to fight close range and thats what happened.

You make a rod for your own back with all the "I'm an expert" garbage but at least you stick around and face up to the gloating when you get one (embarrassingly) wrong. It's a decently admirable quality. even if in this case it just means we can laugh at you more.

As for the fight, Davies doesn't have the footspeed nor balance to perform the game plan you've laid out. He tried boxing at long range but after the first round he was getting picked apart. He had to try to slug it out because it was the only way he had any kind of chance at all. Taylor is just a better fighter, close range or long.

Speaking of British prospects, what's your opinion of Anthony Yarde? Hasn't fought at any kind of level yet but seems like the kind of fighter you tend to like: fast, athletic, relaxed but aggressive, good power. Might be worth a look.

He didnt get picked apart in 1 rd. Rd 1 nothing happened at all.

With the physical advantages he has over taylor the win would have been certain. O has terrible technique and 0 defence trying to imitate floyd. With his left arm being down at his waist, face completly open.

He is just green. Swinging wild to ko as quick as possible. Might work with d level but not for b-c level. If he work on his counter punching, punch variation and how to effective save energy than o would easily ud or tko taylor. Taylor has a good guard, solid controlled technique, a good c level boxer.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

[world ranked]

Styles make fights. Had floyd brawl with canelo or maidana he wouldve get tko'd.

Had ohara fight from outside, quick in and out, than he surly wouldve won. Instead he decided to fight close up with a guy who has a good hook and who likes to fight close range and thats what happened.

You make a rod for your own back with all the "I'm an expert" garbage but at least you stick around and face up to the gloating when you get one (embarrassingly) wrong. It's a decently admirable quality. even if in this case it just means we can laugh at you more.

As for the fight, Davies doesn't have the footspeed nor balance to perform the game plan you've laid out. He tried boxing at long range but after the first round he was getting picked apart. He had to try to slug it out because it was the only way he had any kind of chance at all. Taylor is just a better fighter, close range or long.

Speaking of British prospects, what's your opinion of Anthony Yarde? Hasn't fought at any kind of level yet but seems like the kind of fighter you tend to like: fast, athletic, relaxed but aggressive, good power. Might be worth a look.

He didnt get picked apart in 1 rd. Rd 1 nothing happened at all.

With the physical advantages he has over taylor the win would have been certain. O has terrible technique and 0 defence trying to imitate floyd. With his left arm being down at his waist, face completly open.

He is just green. Swinging wild to ko as quick as possible. Might work with d level but not for b-c level. If he work on his counter punching, punch variation and how to effective save energy than o would easily ud or tko taylor. Taylor has a good guard, solid controlled technique, a good c level boxer.

Do you agree Josh Taylor has better physical skills than Davies?

[Jip]

You make a rod for your own back with all the "I'm an expert" garbage but at least you stick around and face up to the gloating when you get one (embarrassingly) wrong. It's a decently admirable quality. even if in this case it just means we can laugh at you more.

As for the fight, Davies doesn't have the footspeed nor balance to perform the game plan you've laid out. He tried boxing at long range but after the first round he was getting picked apart. He had to try to slug it out because it was the only way he had any kind of chance at all. Taylor is just a better fighter, close range or long.

Speaking of British prospects, what's your opinion of Anthony Yarde? Hasn't fought at any kind of level yet but seems like the kind of fighter you tend to like: fast, athletic, relaxed but aggressive, good power. Might be worth a look.

He didnt get picked apart in 1 rd. Rd 1 nothing happened at all.

With the physical advantages he has over taylor the win would have been certain. O has terrible technique and 0 defence trying to imitate floyd. With his left arm being down at his waist, face completly open.

He is just green. Swinging wild to ko as quick as possible. Might work with d level but not for b-c level. If he work on his counter punching, punch variation and how to effective save energy than o would easily ud or tko taylor. Taylor has a good guard, solid controlled technique, a good c level boxer.

Do you agree Josh Taylor has better physical skills than Davies?

What a stupid question

[world ranked]

He didnt get picked apart in 1 rd. Rd 1 nothing happened at all.

With the physical advantages he has over taylor the win would have been certain. O has terrible technique and 0 defence trying to imitate floyd. With his left arm being down at his waist, face completly open.

He is just green. Swinging wild to ko as quick as possible. Might work with d level but not for b-c level. If he work on his counter punching, punch variation and how to effective save energy than o would easily ud or tko taylor. Taylor has a good guard, solid controlled technique, a good c level boxer.

Do you agree Josh Taylor has better physical skills than Davies?

What a stupid question

Stupid question you said Ohara Davies had better/equal skill than Crawford. I pretty sure that's much more stupid.

[armageto]

I have to rearrange around my blocked list after this nonsense.....

[Jip]

Do you agree Josh Taylor has better physical skills than Davies?

What a stupid question

Stupid question you said Ohara Davies had better/equal skill than Crawford. I pretty sure that's much more stupid.

I wrote that o has physical advantages over taylor and than you ask me if i aggree that taylor has better physical skills than davis, stupid?

And wrong again. I never said he had equal skill as craw. I said he was more athletic with equal reach.

[world ranked]

What a stupid question

Stupid question you said Ohara Davies had better/equal skill than Crawford. I pretty sure that's much more stupid.

I wrote that o has physical advantages over taylor and than you ask me if i aggree that taylor has better physical skills than davis, stupid?

And wrong again. I never said he had equal skill as craw. I said he was more athletic with equal reach.

Most 140 guys have physical advantages over Lightweights

[Ossyrules]

What a thread this is

My take, I fancied Taylor clearly before the fight, but did get swept up with the Davies hype to believe it would be closer than I originally thought. Should have stuck to my gut on this one.

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

You make a rod for your own back with all the "I'm an expert" garbage but at least you stick around and face up to the gloating when you get one (embarrassingly) wrong. It's a decently admirable quality. even if in this case it just means we can laugh at you more.

As for the fight, Davies doesn't have the footspeed nor balance to perform the game plan you've laid out. He tried boxing at long range but after the first round he was getting picked apart. He had to try to slug it out because it was the only way he had any kind of chance at all. Taylor is just a better fighter, close range or long.

Speaking of British prospects, what's your opinion of Anthony Yarde? Hasn't fought at any kind of level yet but seems like the kind of fighter you tend to like: fast, athletic, relaxed but aggressive, good power. Might be worth a look.

He didnt get picked apart in 1 rd. Rd 1 nothing happened at all.

With the physical advantages he has over taylor the win would have been certain. O has terrible technique and 0 defence trying to imitate floyd. With his left arm being down at his waist, face completly open.

He is just green. Swinging wild to ko as quick as possible. Might work with d level but not for b-c level. If he work on his counter punching, punch variation and how to effective save energy than o would easily ud or tko taylor. Taylor has a good guard, solid controlled technique, a good c level boxer.

He didn't get picked apart in round one, no. That's why I used the word "after". About half way through rd2 Taylor had Davies' offence mostly completely figured out. Davies couldn't box so had to go for broke.

The only advantage he has is longer arms and maybe more power. He's slower (hand and foot), less versatile and less developed generally. It isn't the end for Davies, hopefully he'll keep developing, but we can surely agree that right now he wouldn't have a sliver of a chance against Crawford. Needs to improve a lot more than just his tactical awareness to even be in the conversation for world level.

[handsofstone]

Is thread a pisstake? surely, some amount of mince being spouted from the boy Jip, CS is a haven for nutters

[Enlightened-One]

Is thread a pisstake? surely, some amount of mince being spouted from the boy Jip, CS is a haven for nutters

Jip was being sincere when he created this thread... and furthermore, he's still defending both Davies and his original claim.

[Lackeos]

This theory from Jip is a perfect example of why you shouldn't rate a divisional #14-ranked fighter who hasn't been properly tested above a divisional #1 fighter who is possibly top 5 p4p. Crawford is 9-0 against opponents who were as good or better than Davies, with very few of those fights being particularly close. Davies was 0-0 against opponents as good as Crawford. Davies was 0-0 against opponents one-fourth as good as Crawford. Most of the time that you do what Jip did, you will make an ass of yourself. Don't do it.

[gilgamesh]

I didn't even catch this thread prior to Davies' loss yesterday, but if I had my answer would've been "Hell no"

That answer applies still obviously.

[crusader]

I dont like to throw it in people's faces, and Im wrong plenty myself, but I really have no idea how people couldve watched Davies and think he was world class and/or on a different level to Taylor. He's got loads of technical flaws (e.g very wide punches from too far out), his footwork is plodding, he's a bit short for 140, and he isnt particulary fast handed or big punching.

To me he's a poor man's Broner, and I found it striking how he was being talked about on the world scene even though he'd never fought beyond English level prior to Scarpa and shopworn Matthews. I think he partially gobbed himself into that...

Let's see how he comes back from being outclassed, beaten up, and stopped. Even he admitted that it was an embarrassing loss,

Did he? What else did he say, did he say why he was gesturing to his eye. Or was he just wanting a way out?

Interview here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fLILDwHLCw&t=118s

[punchoutsb]

He's not even the best in Britain. Josh Taylor will slap him around

Was a fantastic night of boxing! Can't stand Davies and always go for the Scot. Great win for The Tartan Tornado.

[Best Coast]

is it just me or does he seem more athletic, with equal reach and closly as much power as crawford

With all due respect, your fanship of Davies has gotten your emotions involved to the point where are making irrational, illogical claims that cannot be backed up SO FAR with actual facts. In a few years you may have actual facts to back your claim but NOW your argument is blatant "homerism" at this point.

[Junk Punch]

Davies is murder. Was evident he was lacking way before Taylor smoked his azz. Posters should be banned for not having the savy to technically analyse boxers skillsets correctly. Taylor was always going to beat Davies. I predicted a round 8 tko. I knew he would get inside those long arms and light OD up with short sharp shots, as well as employ good head and foot movement on the outside. There was nothing clumsy cement feet boy could do to win this. Taylor didn't even give a shit about OD's so called Julian Jackson like power. It's amazing how many people buy into the hype instead of forming their own opinion by actually trying to study said hyped fighters attributes.

As for the a Crawford stuff

[ewenhay]

What a stupid question

Stupid question you said Ohara Davies had better/equal skill than Crawford. I pretty sure that's much more stupid.

I wrote that o has physical advantages over taylor and than you ask me if i aggree that taylor has better physical skills than davis, stupid?

And wrong again. I never said he had equal skill as craw. I said he was more athletic with equal reach.

Taylor definitely had all the physical advantages as well as the technical ones. Stronger, faster, more athletic and ultimately had the power too.

[KiwiRider]

The thread that wouldn't die.
He lost.
Time to start a Tartan Tornado is better than Crawford thread.
Actually I like the young Scot, and with time and the right advancement he could be at top someday. If course Crawford would be retired by then.

[Impractical Poster]

He doesn't have one tenth of Crawfords skill, but does hit twice as hard.

Based on? Who are the best few opponents he's stopped? Shot Derry Matthews and ?

Stylistically he reminds me far more of Peter Qullin than Crawford

Crawford can't punch for nothing, Ohara hits harder, it's a fact, deal with it