Canelo's odds

[samdance]

Is there anybody that can convince me to not throw lots of money on Canelo?

I can't see past him for this fight, am I missing something?

Golovkin is relatively easy to hit and relies on his ability to walk through his opponent, imo he cannot do that against Canelo who is big, strong and hits too hard.

Canelo has problems against slick movers and defensively minded boxers...this is certainly not GGG.

I believe GGG's record flatters him as he has almost always been much stronger than his opponent with superior or equal boxing ability, and with his style he will always get opposition like that out of there in devastating fashion. Against Canelo, he has a fighter that is close to him in power and strength but with what I believe superior boxing skills.

[Thomastearns]

Is there anybody that can convince me to not throw lots of money on Canelo?

I can't see past him for this fight, am I missing something?

Golovkin is relatively easy to hit and relies on his ability to walk through his opponent, imo he cannot do that against Canelo who is big, strong and hits too hard.

Canelo has problems against slick movers and defensively minded boxers...this is certainly not GGG.

I believe GGG's record flatters him as he has almost always been much stronger than his opponent with superior or equal boxing ability, and with his style he will always get opposition like that out of there in devastating fashion. Against Canelo, he has a fighter that is close to him in power and strength but with what I believe superior boxing skills.

Don't do it, its far from easy money.
Even in the quantum world of Las Vegas Canelo can't have more than 45% chance of getting the decision.

Bear in mind GGG has a great chin, power in both hands, huge motivation and is the most dangerous opponent for Canelo yet. He won't be trying to tap his way to victory and those who do survive have to move to do so.

The best bets might be in Mexico where the bookie's fear of a Canelo victory might get you decent odds on GGG. Betting on Canelo is too risky, unless Oscar has let you in on something.

[SenorPipino]

You, Thomastearns, are wrong.

Golovkin will turn pure boxer in this fight. He has no intention of sampling the power of Alvarez.

He and his brain surgeon trainer, Abel Sanchez (the historian who claims Golovkin is the third best middleweight of all time) will move, move, move all night in a vain effort not to get tagged by the Mexican star.

He might last the distance with this strategy, but as samdance surmises, Canelo's superior all-around skills will lead him to decisive victory.

A Mexican icon losing on Mexican Independence Day...to a Khazaki, no less?

Not a chance in Hell.

[lazboy]

It's a 50/50 fight and a great stylistic match up, that's why we/ the fans have wanted it so much. As for Golovkins defence, he can defend but chooses to press the action and pressure. Canelo has a decent defence, it's better, not hugely, he still gets hit. Canelo also has huge gloves, they look abnormally big of you ask me, good for blocking.

[Blodhemn]

Canelo is good enough to not be KOd, and that's the only prerequisite *gifted* fighters need to get a decision.

[Impractical Poster]

What are the odds?

[crusader]

On the flipside:

-You point out that Canelo struggles with slick fighters, but does he really have a win that allows us to say that he doesnt struggle against people like GGG? Are skill devoid, 154 pound brawlers like Kirkland and Angulo the closest things? Tiny Cotto? Useless Chavez?

-Canelo almost never fights full rounds like GGG has shown he's capable of, and he often takes long breaks on the ropes, where GGG does some of his best work. Can Alvarez stay off the ropes and work at a significantly higher rate than normal if pushed?

-GGG is a few inches taller and has an accurate jab, which gives him a longer range option to score. I dont think Canelo's jab is so effective.

-Canelo has almost exclusively fought JMWs and WWs, and he likely wont have nearly the same strength and size advantages he's used to. Plus, GGG will be by far the hardest puncher he's faced, but the same cant be said about Canelo for GGG.

If you cant remotely see how GGG wins you havent looked hard enough, though I do think chances are solid that Canelo wins a generous decision.

[Kalan]

Is there anybody that can convince me to not throw lots of money on Canelo?

Golovkin is undefeated in 19 Middleweight Title Fights...with 18 KO wins... GGG has much faster feet and better footwork... GGG slips punches better and stays right in your face... GGG jabs a lot better and hooks off the jab a lot better... GGG gets everybody out, and doesn't let punching bags like Chavez hang out... Golovkin is a better boxer and puncher... Golovkin is a lot slicker than he's generally given credit for because he's so aggressive... Golovkin has never been knocked down in 350 amateur fights and 37 professional fights.

[KiwiRider]

Save your money. It's too close to pick a clear winner.
I was thinking of taking a punt on Canelo but I don't think he is up to it.
Too many soft opponents lately has given him false confidence.
His last fight, aginst the ghost of Alverez should have seen Canelo pulverise the hollow shell standing in front of him. And he didn't, or couldn't.
GGG is slowing down, but he has just done 12 rounds with a better opponent than ANYONE Canelo has faced.

[boxing_rocks]

Canelo only has decent chances if Golovkin's tear and wear interferes like it did in the Jacob's fight. That is my only concern beside Canelo managing to last 12 rounds.

[lazboy]

Save your money. It's too close to pick a clear winner.
I was thinking of taking a punt on Canelo but I don't think he is up to it.
Too many soft opponents lately has given him false confidence.
His last fight, aginst the ghost of Alverez should have seen Canelo pulverise the hollow shell standing in front of him. And he didn't, or couldn't.
GGG is slowing down, but he has just done 12 rounds with a better opponent than ANYONE Canelo has faced.

I mean this is true but I swear, for at least the last year he has been training specifically for Golovkin (imo). I remember seeing YouTube training videos, him up on his feet moving around the ring, throwing massive body shots while moving away. And if anything, possibly Chavez not getting Koed will make him focus more on boxing and less on trying to hurt GGG to the head. I don't know, its a tough fight to call, I'm team GGG. I want an end to the diva reign.

[SenorPipino]

And why, lazboy, is Canelo a diva?

Because he's boxing's #1 star and routinely draws BIG PPV numbers? (In contrast to Gigi, who's hard pressed to attract cucarachas to his few PPV fights)?

The guy's beaten a host of top fighters at 147, 154. Save for his very close call against Jacobs, Golovkin has upended one tomato can after another. He then parades around like he's an ATG, propped up by the ridiculous assertions of his trainer.

So who's the diva?

[SenorPipino]

And why, lazboy, is Canelo a diva?

Because he's boxing's #1 star and routinely draws BIG PPV numbers? (In contrast to Gigi, who's hard pressed to attract cucarachas to his few PPV fights)?

The guy's beaten a host of top fighters at 147, 154. Save for his very close call against Jacobs, Golovkin has upended one tomato can after another. He then parades around like he's an ATG, propped up by the ridiculous assertions of his trainer.

So who's the diva?

[Enlightened-One]

In terms of the betting odds for the GGG-Canelo fight, 'Marathon Bet' rate Golovkin as being 60.4% certain (19/29) to defeat Alvarez, with the Mexican underdog having an implied probability of just 38.6% (27/17) to emerge victorious.

Just to place some context on these numbers should you fancy placing a bet on the GGG-Canelo fight…

If you placed a £10 bet with 'Marathon Bet' on Golovkin to defeat Canelo you’d only make £6.60 profit. Place precisely the same bet on his opponent and you’d potentially profit by £15.90.

That should tell you how much the mainstream casual fight fans rate Canelo’s chances of defeating Gennady Golovkin!

[caldo2025]

Is there anybody that can convince me to not throw lots of money on Canelo?

I can't see past him for this fight, am I missing something?

Golovkin is relatively easy to hit and relies on his ability to walk through his opponent, imo he cannot do that against Canelo who is big, strong and hits too hard.

Canelo has problems against slick movers and defensively minded boxers...this is certainly not GGG.

I believe GGG's record flatters him as he has almost always been much stronger than his opponent with superior or equal boxing ability, and with his style he will always get opposition like that out of there in devastating fashion. Against Canelo, he has a fighter that is close to him in power and strength but with what I believe superior boxing skills.

I'm a GGG fan and If I had to bet the fight with my last dollar, I'd have to go with Canelo. Not because I think that he'll beat GGG because he won't. This fight has HORRIBLE DECISION written all over it. Let's be serious here...no one is getting knocked out in this one because both guys have granite chins. So they are definitely going to the cards and in Vegas, only one person can beat Canelo on the cards there and that's Floyd.

The favorable scorecards that Canelo has managed to receive so far in his career are nothing short of alarming. One judge scored a draw for him against Floyd...that's criminal if nothing else. 118-109 over Trout? Kidding me? I had that fight scored as a draw. Then we get to the Lara fight...117-111 for Canelo? Impossible. To me, there's a stink in the air when it comes to Canelo judging and if i'm GGG then I'm thinking KO or bust. That's the only way he gets his hands raised in this one. THE ONLY WAY.

[world ranked]

Is there anybody that can convince me to not throw lots of money on Canelo?

I can't see past him for this fight, am I missing something?

Golovkin is relatively easy to hit and relies on his ability to walk through his opponent, imo he cannot do that against Canelo who is big, strong and hits too hard.

Canelo has problems against slick movers and defensively minded boxers...this is certainly not GGG.

I believe GGG's record flatters him as he has almost always been much stronger than his opponent with superior or equal boxing ability, and with his style he will always get opposition like that out of there in devastating fashion. Against Canelo, he has a fighter that is close to him in power and strength but with what I believe superior boxing skills.

I'm a GGG fan and If I had to bet the fight with my last dollar, I'd have to go with Canelo. Not because I think that he'll beat GGG because he won't. This fight has HORRIBLE DECISION written all over it. Let's be serious here...no one is getting knocked out in this one because both guys have granite chins. So they are definitely going to the cards and in Vegas, only one person can beat Canelo on the cards there and that's Floyd.

The favorable scorecards that Canelo has managed to receive so far in his career are nothing short of alarming. One judge scored a draw for him against Floyd...that's criminal if nothing else. 118-109 over Trout? Kidding me? I had that fight scored as a draw. Then we get to the Lara fight...117-111 for Canelo? Impossible. To me, there's a stink in the air when it comes to Canelo judging and if i'm GGG then I'm thinking KO or bust. That's the only way he gets his hands raised in this one. THE ONLY WAY.

agree 100% the reason I went in $ on Canelo & the over.

[Enlightened-One]

For those conspiracy theorists that are genuinely convinced that Gennady Golovkin cannot possibly gain a decision victory over Canelo Alvarez, due your belief that the American boxing establishment is not only corrupt, but also racially biased against Eastern European fighters…

Do you honestly believe that you’ll be capable of watching the September 16th fight objectively, possessing a purely neutral stance, whilst refraining from hideously and aggressively proclaiming “ROBBERY!” if Canelo emerges the victor from an evenly-contested contest?

Based on what I’ve personally witnessed from the vast majority of the posts submitted to this forum, for bouts where the winner gained a close competitive decision victory, every single one of you anti-American conspiracy theorists always tearfully accuse the judges of being “CORRUPT!” and also boldly proclaim “ROBBERY!”

[caldo2025]

For those conspiracy theorists that are genuinely convinced that Gennady Golovkin cannot possibly gain a decision victory over Canelo Alvarez, due your belief that the American boxing establishment is not only corrupt, but also racially biased against Eastern European fighters…

Do you honestly believe that you’ll be capable of watching the September 16th fight objectively, possessing a purely neutral stance, whilst refraining from hideously and aggressively proclaiming “ROBBERY!” if Canelo emerges the victor from an evenly-contested contest?

Based on what I’ve personally witnessed from the vast majority of the posts submitted to this forum, for bouts where the winner gained a close competitive decision victory, every single one of you anti-American conspiracy theorists always tearfully accuse the judges of being “CORRUPT!” and also boldly proclaim “ROBBERY!”

If you don't see anything wrong with the scorecards that Canelo has been getting in some of these fights than you might be a larger jackass than I ever even considered you might be. Shut up with the racism, idiot. No one has said anything about racism but you love to inject that idiotic thought into the conversation. IT'S ABOUT MONEY...doesn't matter where you are from...judges will take money from anyone. Please go away for awhile.

[Enlightened-One]

If you don't see anything wrong with the scorecards that Canelo has been getting in some of these fights than you might be a larger jackass than I ever even considered you might be.

I believe that many fighters have been on the receiving end of dubious scoring from the judges. In terms of Alvarez’s fights, the following scores seemed inappropriate to me:

• Amir Khan: Glenn Trowbridge 49-46
• Miguel Cotto: Dave Moretti 119-109
• Erislandy Lara: Levi Martinez 117-111
• Floyd Mayweather Jr: C.J. Ross 114-114
• Austin Trout: Stanley Christodoulou 118-109

That being said, if I see a close competitive fight, where the victor of most rounds could be reasonably determined using criteria based on subjective stylistic preference (such as quantity versus quality), then I do feel that it is not correct to persistently accuse the judges of being “CORRUPT!” and nor do I aggressively proclaim “ROBBERY!”

Shut up with the racism, idiot. No one has said anything about racism but you love to inject that idiotic thought into the conversation.

There is a contingent of people that frequent this forum (many of them are also members of your "neighborhood watch" team) that constantly lambast any officials, governing bodies, fighters, trainers, promoters and even TV networks that are from America.

The same people openly admit to possessing a deep appreciation for caucasian Eastern European fighters.

In fact, I have previously submitted a post detailing at least a dozen quotes from one of our veteran BoxRec forum members, where he aggressively lambasts American’s in general, whilst also admitting to being “not pro black”.

Do you deny that comments of this nature aren’t posted to this forum regularly?

For the record, I like Eastern European fighters, I don’t have any issues with people from America or nor could I care less about anyone being caucasian or not.

IT'S ABOUT MONEY...doesn't matter where you are from...judges will take money from anyone.

I refuse to persistently express sweeping statements accusing people from a particular country of being constantly guilty of committing crimes whilst there’s a complete lack of evidence. Those that possess the polar opposite opinion are complete utter fúckíng morons of the highest order!

Please go away for awhile.

No! Your comment is extremely juvenile.

[caldo2025]

If you don't see anything wrong with the scorecards that Canelo has been getting in some of these fights than you might be a larger jackass than I ever even considered you might be.

I believe that many fighters have been on the receiving end of dubious scoring from the judges. In terms of Alvarez’s fights, the following scores seemed inappropriate to me:

• Amir Khan: Glenn Trowbridge 49-46
• Miguel Cotto: Dave Moretti 119-109
• Erislandy Lara: Levi Martinez 117-111
• Floyd Mayweather Jr: C.J. Ross 114-114
• Austin Trout: Stanley Christodoulou 118-109

That being said, if I see a close competitive fight, where the victor of most rounds could be reasonably determined using criteria based on subjective stylistic preference (such as quantity versus quality), then I do feel that it is not correct to persistently accuse the judges of being “CORRUPT!” and nor do I aggressively proclaim “ROBBERY!”

Shut up with the racism, idiot. No one has said anything about racism but you love to inject that idiotic thought into the conversation.

There is a contingent of people that frequent this forum (many of them are also members of your "neighborhood watch" team) that constantly lambast any officials, governing bodies, fighters, trainers, promoters and even TV networks that are from America.

The same people openly admit to possessing a deep appreciation for caucasian Eastern European fighters.

In fact, I have previously submitted a post detailing at least a dozen quotes from one of our veteran BoxRec forum members, where he aggressively lambasts American’s in general, whilst also admitting to being “not pro black”.

Do you deny that comments of this nature aren’t posted to this forum regularly?

For the record, I like Eastern European fighters, I don’t have any issues with people from America or nor could I care less about anyone being caucasian or not.

IT'S ABOUT MONEY...doesn't matter where you are from...judges will take money from anyone.

I refuse to persistently express sweeping statements accusing people from a particular country of being constantly guilty of committing crimes whilst there’s a complete lack of evidence. Those that possess the polar opposite opinion are complete utter fúckíng morons of the highest order!

Please go away for awhile.

No! Your comment is extremely juvenile.

I've got a lot of problems with your opinions and your general existence on the same earth with me but you continue to be extremely careless and ignorant with the word "RACISM" and claims of the like and it really needs to stop. Maybe a history of heartbreaking inequality didn't exist in your part of the world so you have been insulated from it but it has pretty much existed everywhere else so be a little more careful with the claims and the use of the word.

#1 you are using the word incorrectly. What you are talking about is Nationalism, not Racism. GET IT RIGHT PLEASE. Because there's a huge difference and after multiple posts of you ignorantly using it, i've had enough. The R word has no business in what we do here in this forum. Too many people have suffered from it, continue to be affected by it, for you to be haphazardly tossing it around like you do. You shouldn't be able to use a word like that if you don't know what it means. You are using incorrectly. Stop.

[Enlightened-One]

... you continue to be extremely careless and ignorant with the word "RACISM" and claims of the like and it really needs to stop.

This is an extremely lazy and wholly incorrect claim.

#1 you are using the word incorrectly. What you are talking about is Nationalism, not Racism. GET IT RIGHT PLEASE.

In the UK, the legal definition of a racial group that is used to determine illegal racist behaviour includes derogatory opinions of nationalities.

The British legal system defines the term "racial group" as:

‪“Racial group – this means any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality
(including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.”‬ (Source: Racist and religious crime – CPS prosecution policy)

Indeed, the UK-based official BBC website defines the term “racism” accordingly:

‪“Racism is when someone is discriminated against(singled out) because of their race, the colour of their skin, their nationality, their accent or first language, or their ethnic or national origin. Racism is a hate crime, and is illegal.”‬

In the UK, if you are derogatory about a group of people who share a common bond, such as nationality or citizenship, then you're committing a crime, since racism is illegal and can lead to imprisonment.

Other countries have similar legislation to outlaw racial discrimination, which includes predjudism against national origin and nationality/citizenship.

You shouldn't be able to use a word like that if you don't know what it means. You are using incorrectly. Stop.

Do you care to revise your opinion?

If many people from his forum openly admit to persistently submitting derogatory posts criticising American’s in general, whilst admitting to being “not pro black” and also almost exclusively supporting Caucasian Eastern European fighters, then that justifies my belief about those forum members discriminating certain racial groups because of their nationality/citizenship and also the colour of their skin.

I really don’t expect you to possess the intellect or sufficient knowledge to be able to challenge any of the points articulated by this post, but I do anticipate your response to contain a personal insult instead, since that’s what people like you resort to when they’ve lost the argument!

[Enlightened-One]

I've got a lot of problems with your opinions and your general existence on the same earth with me but you continue to be extremely careless and ignorant with the word "RACISM" and claims of the like and it really needs to stop.

#1 you are using the word incorrectly. What you are talking about is Nationalism, not Racism.

It seems that you tried to take the moral high road, but then your posting history details a proven track record of you submitting racist posts to this forum!

So not only do you fail to understand the meaning of the word “racist”, but you have also behaved appallingly hypocritical to the point that I’m actually quite surprised you’ve managed to escape a ban!

Here we go. Another filthy Brit that wandered to the big table from the little table... God I hate Brits.... I dislike the Irish ten times more than the Brits.

I'm not a huge fan of British Boxers...

Just another British punk that can't pass up a minute on the microphone babbling like an absolute dickhead... The Brits wonder why none of their boxers become mainstream athletes over here. It's because they are a bunch of clowns.

Oh here they come...the British invasion again...I forgot how you guys rarely have a boxer that is worth a damn... They have a separate British Board (kids table) set up so you guys can talk nonsense over there, what are you guys doing over here at the big people's table?

See, a category for the "Brit's just talking Shi*t" is already gaining some steam by some of these dumb replies. Look at these British Goons taking time out of their day to discuss...

They should have a separate message board for annoying Brits. Call it "Just Another Brit, Talking Shi*t". Not sure what's in the water over there but these British Boxers are annoying tools.

Here's comes another Brit that wins a few fights and now he's Cassius Clay... he's the next love child for the British contingent. Quite an annoying band you Brits are.

I could have listed more of racist posts that you've submitted, but I think I've already proved my point!

[blazergrad]

^^^^ But British isn't a race?

[Enlightened-One]

^^^^ But British isn't a race?

Read my last two posts in this thread again and let me know your thoughts?

[boxing_rocks]

Mods, for how long will EO be allowed to kill threads ?