The two sides are trying to lock the fight down for the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, more than likely for the date of November 4. Promoter Lou DiBella, who works with Wilder, has placed the venue on hold for that date.
A few months ago, Ortiz brought in Al Haymon as his adviser - and that set the stage for a future showdown with Wilder, who is also represented by Haymon.
But there is one big problem in making that fight a reality - Wilder owes a mandatory defense to Bermane Stiverne (25-2-1, 21 KOs).
Apparently there are ongoing discussions between Haymon and Don King, Stiverne’s promoter, to work out a step-aside agreement - where Stiverne would receive a reasonable fee to allow Wilder-Ortiz to go forward.
BS.com has since been informed that Stiverne has hired the managerial team of James Prince and attorney Josh Dubin.
Prince and Dubin are best known for their work with light heavyweight champion Andre Ward, Olympian Shakur Stevenson and heavyweight Bryant Jennings.
Based on what BS was told, Stiverne and his management have not given King any permission to negotiate a step-aside fee - and further, they have zero interest in working out a step-aside agreement.
Stiverne wants to fight Wilder next and his handlers are ready to legally challenge the possibility of being stepped over for Ortiz. They plan to do everything possible, pursuant to their boxer's mandatory status, to ensure their fighter gets first crack at the WBC title.
The big issue in making Wilder vs. Stiverne - is finding a television outlet willing to pay for it. Wilder won a clear twelve round unanimous decision over Stiverne in January 2015 to capture the title. He's made five defenses of the belt. Stiverne's handlers view the TV situation as "their problem, not ours."
Stiverne was scheduled to face Alexander Povetkin in a final WBC eliminator last December in Russia. The fight was canceled at the last minute after the WBC was advised that Povetkin had failed a pre-fight drug test.
Back on February 26th, the World Boxing Council ordered the Wilder-Stiverne rematch. Stiverne has been out of the ring since a November 2015 decision win over Derric Rossey.
Freedom wrote:Nothing some step aside money can’t fix.
If there was interest in that, definitely. Doesn't appear to be any interest:
"Based on what BS was told, Stiverne and his management have not given King any permission to negotiate a step-aside fee - and further, they have zero interest in working out a step-aside agreement."
Impractical Poster wrote:But this will end up Wilder's fault. He knew that Stiverne would interfere which is the only reason he made the Ortiz fight. I can hear it now.
Seriously, Wilder can't catch a break.
It IS Wilder's fault. Motherf*cker has had YEARS to fight a credible opponent.
Impractical Poster wrote:But this will end up Wilder's fault. He knew that Stiverne would interfere which is the only reason he made the Ortiz fight. I can hear it now.
Seriously, Wilder can't catch a break.
You are right. If he fights Ortiz everyone will say he's still never fought his mandatory.
And if he fights Stiverne everyone will say he only dangled Ortiz name and had no intention to fight the beast.
If he beat them both in the same night we'd hear how both sucked and were over the hill.
Wilder will never please the fans
Impractical Poster wrote:But this will end up Wilder's fault. He knew that Stiverne would interfere which is the only reason he made the Ortiz fight. I can hear it now.
Seriously, Wilder can't catch a break.
You are right. If he fights Ortiz everyone will say he's still never fought his mandatory.
And if he fights Stiverne everyone will say he only dangled Ortiz name and had no intention to fight the beast.
If he beat them both in the same night we'd hear how both sucked and were over the hill.
Wilder will never please the fans
I doubt anybody would give a sh*t if he never honored his mandatory against Stiverne. I've yet to hear anybody that actually WANTS to see that fight again.
I'm one of Wilder's most outspoken critics. It wouldn't take much for me to stop sh*tting on him relentlessly. Just fight credible contenders...that's all. If he did I might actually have a little respect for him.
Impractical Poster wrote:But this will end up Wilder's fault. He knew that Stiverne would interfere which is the only reason he made the Ortiz fight. I can hear it now.
Seriously, Wilder can't catch a break.
You are right. If he fights Ortiz everyone will say he's still never fought his mandatory.
And if he fights Stiverne everyone will say he only dangled Ortiz name and had no intention to fight the beast.
If he beat them both in the same night we'd hear how both sucked and were over the hill.
Wilder will never please the fans
I doubt anybody would give a sh*t if he never honored his mandatory against Stiverne. I've yet to hear anybody that actually WANTS to see that fight again.
tiny_acres wrote:
You are right. If he fights Ortiz everyone will say he's still never fought his mandatory.
And if he fights Stiverne everyone will say he only dangled Ortiz name and had no intention to fight the beast.
If he beat them both in the same night we'd hear how both sucked and were over the hill.
Wilder will never please the fans
I doubt anybody would give a sh*t if he never honored his mandatory against Stiverne. I've yet to hear anybody that actually WANTS to see that fight again.
I think you would.
I do give him sh*t pretty frequently...all of it deserved. He gets the sh*t from me that he's earned for being a sh*t "champion"
If he opted to fight Ortiz instead of Stiverne, I'd give him credit for that decision. He won't though. He's a coward.
He's not going to drop his belt. I've seen plenty of paper belt holders not get your continuous wraitg for similar competition. No big deal, you hate wilder. Happens to everyone, you'll never give him full credit for anything.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He's not going to drop his belt. I've seen plenty of paper belt holders not get your continuous wraitg for similar competition. No big deal, you hate wilder. Happens to everyone, you'll never give him full credit for anything.
If he does something worthy of receiving credit he'll get it. I hate Wilder because of what a coward he's been. That's all.
I've seen other titleholders who fought sh*t competition too. I don't recall ever not sh*tting on them for it. I can overlook a soft opponent here and there if you generally fight tough opposition.
But in Wilder's case it's soft opponent as a warm up for another soft opponent. He's a f*cking joke.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He's not going to drop his belt. I've seen plenty of paper belt holders not get your continuous wraitg for similar competition. No big deal, you hate wilder. Happens to everyone, you'll never give him full credit for anything.
If he does something worthy of receiving credit he'll get it. I hate Wilder because of what a coward he's been. That's all.
I've seen other titleholders who fought sh*t competition too. I don't recall ever not sh*tting on them for it. I can overlook a soft opponent here and there if you generally fight tough opposition.
But in Wilder's case it's soft opponent as a warm up for another soft opponent. He's a f*cking joke.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He's not going to drop his belt. I've seen plenty of paper belt holders not get your continuous wraitg for similar competition. No big deal, you hate wilder. Happens to everyone, you'll never give him full credit for anything.
If he does something worthy of receiving credit he'll get it. I hate Wilder because of what a coward he's been. That's all.
I've seen other titleholders who fought sh*t competition too. I don't recall ever not sh*tting on them for it. I can overlook a soft opponent here and there if you generally fight tough opposition.
But in Wilder's case it's soft opponent as a warm up for another soft opponent. He's a f*cking joke.
Name me a Champion that fought nothing but non-ranked contenders that I didn't sh*t on.
gilgamesh wrote:
If he does something worthy of receiving credit he'll get it. I hate Wilder because of what a coward he's been. That's all.
I've seen other titleholders who fought sh*t competition too. I don't recall ever not sh*tting on them for it. I can overlook a soft opponent here and there if you generally fight tough opposition.
But in Wilder's case it's soft opponent as a warm up for another soft opponent. He's a f*cking joke.
Name me a Champion that fought nothing but non-ranked contenders that I didn't sh*t on.
Omar Narvaez? We've already discussed Vitali and you go to semantics of top 10 ranked crap. Gil, you obnoxiously hate on Wilder. No big deal, just drop the whole unbiased act. His resume is shit, but he's never displayed any cowardly traits. Why don't you name me one legit offer he's turned down? Dude fights for the PBC, unless you're Robert Guerrero, almost all of them are fucked.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Omar Narvaez? We've already discussed Vitali and you go to semantics of top 10 ranked crap. Gil, you obnoxiously hate on Wilder. No big deal, just drop the whole unbiased act. His resume is poo, but he's never displayed any cowardly traits. Why don't you name me one legit offer he's turned down? Dude fights for the PBC, unless you're Robert Guerrero, almost all of them are fucked.
Omar Narvaez was barely even on my radar screen. He always fought in South America and sh*t. I'm aware of him, and I didn't think much of his reign. Vitali FOUGHT some Top 10 ranked opponents during his goddamn reign Saad. Did his competition suck balls? Yes.
But at the very least he fought some Top 10 guys. I'd dial back my hatred on Wilder if he JUST ONE F*CKING TIME! would defend his belt against Top 10 ranked opponent. I don't think it's asking much of a "World Champion" to fight an actual contender.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Omar Narvaez? We've already discussed Vitali and you go to semantics of top 10 ranked crap. Gil, you obnoxiously hate on Wilder. No big deal, just drop the whole unbiased act. His resume is poo, but he's never displayed any cowardly traits. Why don't you name me one legit offer he's turned down? Dude fights for the PBC, unless you're Robert Guerrero, almost all of them are fucked.
Omar Narvaez was barely even on my radar screen. He always fought in South America and sh*t. I'm aware of him, and I didn't think much of his reign. Vitali FOUGHT some Top 10 ranked opponents during his goddamn reign Saad. Did his competition suck balls? Yes.
But at the very least he fought some Top 10 guys. I'd dial back my hatred on Wilder if he JUST ONE F*CKING TIME! would defend his belt against Top 10 ranked opponent. I don't think it's asking much of a "World Champion" to fight an actual contender.
So you can't name one legitimate offer he's turned down? Yet he's a coward? You should say two, certainly not his fault that Povetkin pissed dirty. If he fought the exact same guys as Vitali you'd have the exact same opinion.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Omar Narvaez? We've already discussed Vitali and you go to semantics of top 10 ranked crap. Gil, you obnoxiously hate on Wilder. No big deal, just drop the whole unbiased act. His resume is poo, but he's never displayed any cowardly traits. Why don't you name me one legit offer he's turned down? Dude fights for the PBC, unless you're Robert Guerrero, almost all of them are fucked.
Omar Narvaez was barely even on my radar screen. He always fought in South America and sh*t. I'm aware of him, and I didn't think much of his reign. Vitali FOUGHT some Top 10 ranked opponents during his goddamn reign Saad. Did his competition suck balls? Yes.
But at the very least he fought some Top 10 guys. I'd dial back my hatred on Wilder if he JUST ONE F*CKING TIME! would defend his belt against Top 10 ranked opponent. I don't think it's asking much of a "World Champion" to fight an actual contender.
So you can't name one legitimate offer he's turned down? Yet he's a coward? You should say two, certainly not his fault that Povetkin pissed dirty. If he fought the exact same guys as Vitali you'd have the exact same opinion.
So you're gonna pretend that because the Povetkin fight fell through that just meant there was no possible way he could've fought a Top 10 ranked opponent in the 13 months since?
If he fought the same guys Vitali fought when Vitali fought them then that would mean he's actually fought some Top 10 ranked opponents and I wouldn't have that as a complaint against him.
I don't know what's confusing about this.
I hate Wilder because he's a coward. Nothing more. If he suddenly ceased being a coward, I wouldn't suddenly start loving the guy, but I'd at least stop hating him so vehemently. You'll probably never get to see that happen though because he's never gonna not be a coward.
gilgamesh wrote:
Omar Narvaez was barely even on my radar screen. He always fought in South America and sh*t. I'm aware of him, and I didn't think much of his reign. Vitali FOUGHT some Top 10 ranked opponents during his goddamn reign Saad. Did his competition suck balls? Yes.
But at the very least he fought some Top 10 guys. I'd dial back my hatred on Wilder if he JUST ONE F*CKING TIME! would defend his belt against Top 10 ranked opponent. I don't think it's asking much of a "World Champion" to fight an actual contender.
So you can't name one legitimate offer he's turned down? Yet he's a coward? You should say two, certainly not his fault that Povetkin pissed dirty. If he fought the exact same guys as Vitali you'd have the exact same opinion.
So you're gonna pretend that because the Povetkin fight fell through that just meant there was no possible way he could've fought a Top 10 ranked opponent in the 13 months since?
If he fought the same guys Vitali fought when Vitali fought them then that would mean he's actually fought some Top 10 ranked opponents and I wouldn't have that as a complaint against him.
I don't know what's confusing about this.
I hate Wilder because he's a coward. Nothing more. If he suddenly ceased being a coward, I wouldn't suddenly start loving the guy, but I'd at least stop hating him so vehemently. You'll probably never get to see that happen though because he's never gonna not be a coward.
I'm not pretending anything, just watching you pretend that you don't have an irrational hate for Wilder. It's amusing to me since you're usually very balanced. You're completely full of shit saying that if Wilder had faced Vitali's versions of Adamek, Arreola or Solis that you'd be off of his ass. If you look at the entire PBC roster and list how many big fights they've had in the last 13 months, you'll have many more cowards for your list.
How can he be a coward without ever turning down an opponent? Sorry, it's quite confusing.
gilgamesh wrote:I doubt anybody would give a sh*t if he never honored his mandatory against Stiverne. I've yet to hear anybody that actually WANTS to see that fight again.
I kinda do, but it's purely a selfish reason in that I live near Birmingham and Wilder's fights are the only way I ever get to see any boxing nearby. Maybe since it's such a shit fight they'll bring it back to Alabama. Then again it sounds like DiBella already reserved Barclays so we'll see I guess.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
So you can't name one legitimate offer he's turned down? Yet he's a coward? You should say two, certainly not his fault that Povetkin pissed dirty. If he fought the exact same guys as Vitali you'd have the exact same opinion.
So you're gonna pretend that because the Povetkin fight fell through that just meant there was no possible way he could've fought a Top 10 ranked opponent in the 13 months since?
If he fought the same guys Vitali fought when Vitali fought them then that would mean he's actually fought some Top 10 ranked opponents and I wouldn't have that as a complaint against him.
I don't know what's confusing about this.
I hate Wilder because he's a coward. Nothing more. If he suddenly ceased being a coward, I wouldn't suddenly start loving the guy, but I'd at least stop hating him so vehemently. You'll probably never get to see that happen though because he's never gonna not be a coward.
I'm not pretending anything, just watching you pretend that you don't have an irrational hate for Wilder. It's amusing to me since you're usually very balanced. You're completely full of poo saying that if Wilder had faced Vitali's versions of Adamek, Arreola or Solis that you'd be off of his ass. If you look at the entire PBC roster and list how many big fights they've had in the last 13 months, you'll have many more cowards for your list.
How can he be a coward without ever turning down an opponent? Sorry, it's quite confusing.
Since we're just talking in circles and I've already explained my hatred for Wilder as clearly as I possibly can. I'll move on.
gilgamesh wrote:
So you're gonna pretend that because the Povetkin fight fell through that just meant there was no possible way he could've fought a Top 10 ranked opponent in the 13 months since?
If he fought the same guys Vitali fought when Vitali fought them then that would mean he's actually fought some Top 10 ranked opponents and I wouldn't have that as a complaint against him.
I don't know what's confusing about this.
I hate Wilder because he's a coward. Nothing more. If he suddenly ceased being a coward, I wouldn't suddenly start loving the guy, but I'd at least stop hating him so vehemently. You'll probably never get to see that happen though because he's never gonna not be a coward.
I'm not pretending anything, just watching you pretend that you don't have an irrational hate for Wilder. It's amusing to me since you're usually very balanced. You're completely full of poo saying that if Wilder had faced Vitali's versions of Adamek, Arreola or Solis that you'd be off of his ass. If you look at the entire PBC roster and list how many big fights they've had in the last 13 months, you'll have many more cowards for your list.
How can he be a coward without ever turning down an opponent? Sorry, it's quite confusing.
Since we're just talking in circles and I've already explained my hatred for Wilder as clearly as I possibly can. I'll move on.
Since you can't/won't answer the question, that's probably for the best.
