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[Counter-puncher]

gettint his nose uppercutted into his eyebrows probably didn't help either

[Nile4000]

Johnny Bumphus vs Marlon Starling

R1.10-10 Even
R2.10-9 MS
R3.10-9 JB
R4.10-9 MS
R5.10-10 Even
R6.10-9 JB

Fight stopped after an accidental headbutt badly cut Bumphus' eye. I had it 58-58 a Draw.

The 3 judges had Bumphus ahead by 3-5-1 pts. Bumphus threw more punches, but Starling blocked a good pct of them.

One of those fights Marlon should have won, along with Vilela and possibly Curry I.

[Seamus]

I had him winning the first bout with Curry by 3pts. It was a SD.

[Seamus]

Fabrice Tiozzo vs Mike McCallum

The judges had Tiozzo winning the WBC title in this one by 3-4-4 pts, which I thought was ridiculous. I called the 10th even, and had all the rest for Tiozzo including the 2nd which was 10-8 due to the knockdown, for a score of 120-108 for Tiozzo. McCallum finally looked old in this bout and was outworked in every round. He landed some good shots and a few rds were close, but Tiozzo was just too fit for him.

[Seamus]

Julio Cesar Gonzalez vs Dariusz Michalczewski

R1.10-9 JCG
R2.10-9 JCG
R3.10-9 JCG
R4.10-10
R5.10-9 DM
R6.10-9 DM
R7.10-9 JCG
R8.10-10
R9.10-9 DM
R10.10-9 DM
R11.10-9 DM
R12.10-9 DM

Dariusz Michalczewski 116-114

Tough fight to score. Gonzalez started well, and continued to land throughout the fight, but in the later rounds he looked the worse for wear of the two. Michalczewski stalked his opponent from the beginning, but wasn't busy enough with his hands in alot of rds. Michalczewski has an excellent jab, but for some reason neglects it at times. I'd probably need some other opinions on thius one. Not a great fight, but not bad.

[scartissue]

Got into a real Harold Brazier kick this morning. Here are a few of his fights.

Meldrick Taylor v Harold Brazier

Round 1: 10-9 Taylor
Round 2: 10-9 Taylor
Round 3: 10-9 Taylor
Round 4: 10-9 Taylor
Round 5: 10-9 Taylor
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 9-9 Even (scored it for Taylor but the ref deducted 1 point for a low blow)
Round 8: 10-9 Brazier
Round 9: 10-9 Taylor
Round 10: 10-9 Taylor

Total: 98-92 Taylor

Brazier was more pinpoint with his shots, but Taylor had the workrate. In the 8th Harold really looked like he was going to do something as he didn't throw as many as Meldrick but every shot jarred Taylor's head.

Harold Brazier v Joey Ruiz

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Brazier
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Brazier
Round 5: 10-9 Ruiz
Round 6: 10-9 Brazier
Round 7: 10-9 Brazier
Round 8: 10-9 Ruiz
Round 9: 10-9 Brazier
Round 10: 10-10 Even

Total: 98-95 Brazier

A battle of the prospects. Both gutsy and really let it hang out but Brazier's more accurate shots told on my card. Incidentally, the actual cards were 97-95 and 96-94 for Brazier and 98-94 for Ruiz.

Roger Mayweather v Harold Brazier for Mayweather's 140 lb. title

Round 1: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 2: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 3: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 4: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 5: 10-9 Brazier
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Brazier
Round 8: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 9: 10-9 Brazier
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Brazier
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total 116-115 Mayweather

I highly recommend this fight for its enjoyment and how you see the fight. Tough one to score because you will have a fighter with greater output (mayweather) against a fighter who may not throw the quantity but rattles the former on a few occasions. So quantity v quality. These two left nothing on the table. They spent it all. Actual scores were 116-111 and 114-113 for Mayweather and 116-115 for Brazier.

[Seamus]

Forgot how many wins Brazier ended up with.

[scartissue]

James Toney v Mike McCallum I

Tallied this one in my head back in the day and I think I came up with a draw. Here we go

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Toney
Round 3: 10-9 McCallum
Round 4: 10-9 Toney
Round 5: 10-9 McCallum
Round 6: 10-9 Toney
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Toney
Round 9: 10-9 McCallum
Round 10: 10-9 Toney
Round 11: 10-9 McCallum
Round 12: 10-9 Toney

Total: 116-114 Toney

What a tit-for-tat fight this was. McCallum's higher volume behind the jab against Toney's lesser volume but with more pop. Good fight.

[elmersalsa]

James Toney v Mike McCallum I

Tallied this one in my head back in the day and I think I came up with a draw. Here we go

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Toney
Round 3: 10-9 McCallum
Round 4: 10-9 Toney
Round 5: 10-9 McCallum
Round 6: 10-9 Toney
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Toney
Round 9: 10-9 McCallum
Round 10: 10-9 Toney
Round 11: 10-9 McCallum
Round 12: 10-9 Toney

Total: 116-114 Toney

What a tit-for-tat fight this was. McCallum's higher volume behind the jab against Toney's lesser volume but with more pop. Good fight.

That was one of the most technical scraps
that I have ever seen.

[Seamus]

James Toney vs Mike McCallum I

R1.10-9 MM
R2.10-9 JT
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 JT
R5.10-9 JT
R6.10-9 JT
R7.10-9 JT
R8.10-9 JT
R9.10-9 MM
R10.10-9 JT
R11.10-9 MM
R12.10-9 JT

James Toney 117-112

And to be fair, I can't stand Toney.

[Seamus]

Pinklon Thomas vs Tim Witherspoon

1.10-9 TW
2.10-9 TW
3.10-9 PT
4.10-9 TW
5.10-8 PT (pt taken from Witherspoon for repeated backhands)
6.10-9 PT
7.10-9 PT
8.10-9 PT
9.10-9 TW
10.10-10
11.10-10
12.10-9 PT

Pinklon Thomas 116-113

Very good fight, and if you love to see jabbing, this is a bout worth watching. Pinklon Thomas showed excellent composure in winning the title from Witherspoon, because he was hit with some good shots, but just soaked it up and stayed within his fight plan and scored heavily with his jab and quick combinations.

[Counter-puncher]

Pinklon Thomas vs Tim Witherspoon

1.10-9 TW
2.10-9 TW
3.10-9 PT
4.10-9 TW
5.10-8 PT (pt taken from Witherspoon for repeated backhands)
6.10-9 PT
7.10-9 PT
8.10-9 PT
9.10-9 TW
10.10-10
11.10-10
12.10-9 PT

Pinklon Thomas 116-113

Very good fight, and if you love to see jabbing, this is a bout worth watching. Pinklon Thomas showed excellent composure in winning the title from Witherspoon, because he was hit with some good shots, but just soaked it up and stayed within his fight plan and scored heavily with his jab and quick combinations.

i'm not sure where this fight fits in terms of Spoons career trajectory- how fit/motivated he was at the time- but I have the suspicion that Thomas would be a difficult style match for him at his best

[Seamus]

I think at times in this bout, Witherspoon's confidence was shaken. He landed some good hard shots in the first few rds, and he had to have expected that would have put Thomas on his back foot playing defense, but more the opposite occured.

[Seamus]

Another Pinklon Thomas fight

Trevor Berbick vs Pinklon Thomas

R1.10-9 PT
R2.10-9 PT
R3.10-9 PT
R4.10-9 TB
R5.10-10
R6.10-9 PT
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 TB
R9.10-9 TB
R10.10-9 TB
R11.10-9 TB
R12.10-10

Trevor Berbick 116-115

Thomas looked to be on his way to a successful title defense until he faded badly in the 2nd half, then the snap went out of his jab, his punch output dropped off and he looked visibly weary.

[Ambling Alp II]

Kind of an interesting fight. Amazing how successful Berbick's career was given his talent level. This is a fight that Thomas should have won easily.

[Seamus]

Gerrie Coetzee vs Pinklon Thomas

R1.Even
R2.GC
R3.GC
R4.PT
R5.GC
R6.GC
R7.GC
R8.PT
R9.PT
R10.Even

Gerrie Coetzee 5-3-2 which would be scored 5-3

First half of the fight wasn't too exciting but it picked up in the later rds. Disappointing performance from Pinklon Thomas who really neglected his powerful jab for most of the fight and who just wasn't busy enough. Thomas looked all primed for a big finish after dominating round 9, but Coetzee, dripping with blood turned in a gutsy final round.

[scartissue]

Watched a fight today that I didn't know was out there. The second fight between Nino Valdes and Bob Baker. Two fighters who really deserved respective shots at Marciano. Regardless, the reports on this fight suggested it wasn't much of a fight, but I found it to be a good fight. 10 point must system in effect.

Round 1: 10-9 Valdes
Round 2: 10-9 Baker
Round 3: 10-9 Baker
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Baker
Round 6: 10-9 Valdes
Round 7: 10-9 Valdes
Round 8: 10-9 Baker
Round 9: 10-9 Baker
Round 10: 10-9 Baker

Total: 97-94 Baker

That last round could have been scored even - they really let it all hang out - but I thought Baker was just that much more pinpoint. Again, I thought it was a very good contest.

Also, I watched the European super middleweight title fight between James Cook and Mark Kaylor. Excellent fight, but I gave Cook every round before Kaylor's corner pulled him out in the 6th round. Good fight and Kaylor's last.

[Seamus]

Tommy Hearns vs Harold Weston

R1.10-9 TH
R2.10-10
R3.10-9 HW
R4.10-9 TH
R5.10-9 HW
R6.10-9 HW

Tommy Hearns TK0 6 after Weston is unable to continue due to an eye injury. I had it 58-57 for Harold Weston. All 3 judges had it 58-56 for Hearns, but they had given Weston the last 2 rds.

Really an unfortunate result for Harold Weston, who after getting hammered in the 1st round had done a good job of blocking alot of Hearns punches while countering to the body. Weston was getting inside, dictating the pace and Hearns' punches looked to be losing there steam. A really shame it ended like this because Weston looked like he had a decent shot at the upset.

[scartissue]

Gerrie Coetzee vs Pinklon Thomas

R1.Even
R2.GC
R3.GC
R4.PT
R5.GC
R6.GC
R7.GC
R8.PT
R9.PT
R10.Even

Gerrie Coetzee 5-3-2 which would be scored 5-3

First half of the fight wasn't too exciting but it picked up in the later rds. Disappointing performance from Pinklon Thomas who really neglected his powerful jab for most of the fight and who just wasn't busy enough. Thomas looked all primed for a big finish after dominating round 9, but Coetzee, dripping with blood turned in a gutsy final round.

Seamus, this is a first. It was in the back of my mind the last few days to check out this fight again after you scored it and I did so today. And I had it 5-3-2 Coetzee with the exact same rounds. Wow! Might never see that again. I remember when I watched it back in the day thinking the draw might be OK. But Thomas - I felt - just waited a bit too long to get into the fight. Still, with a 5-3-2 anyone can see those swing rounds differently. Still a good result and none of the judges threw out some bizarre score. Still amazed at our scores though, dude.

[Seamus]

Pinklon Thomas was a very talented fighter, but I imagine he'd be frustrating to work with. He could either make an impressive start or come on strong for a late rally, but he just seemed to take off too many rds. Against Trevor Berbick he was clearly the more talented fighter, but that didn't stop Berbick from imposing his will on him in the 2nd half of the bout.

[Seamus]

Scartissue. I'd really like to get your score on this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1as7CLtAulo

[scartissue]

I'll definitely check this out over the weekend, dude.

[scartissue]

Roberto Duran vs Edwin Viruet I (non-title bout 1975)

R1.RD
R2.EV
R3.RD
R4.RD
R5.EV
R6.Even
R7.Even
R8.EV
R9.EV
R10.EV

Edwin Viruet 5-3-2

Brilliant performance by Edwin Viruet who boxed like a young Cassius Clay at times. He showed total composure and made Duran miss often and hit him with counters consistently. AND, there were plenty of boos when Duran got the decision.

Seamus, I tackled this one last night. This is how I had it on the NY rounds system.

Round 1: Duran
Round 2: Viruet
Round 3: Duran
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Duran
Round 7: Duran
Round 8: Duran
Round 9: Viruet
Round 10: Even

Total: 5-2-3 Duran

Seamus, we completely agreed on 4 rounds, had 5 rounds even and only disagreed completely on the 8th round. But enough to display two divergent scorecards. Very tough to score and one has to really pay attention to the nuances in the ring. Perhaps Viruet has that kind of style that doesn't jar me, because we also had differing scores on the Viruet-DeJesus fight. I just felt Duran's heftier shots outweighed Viruet's flashy combos, but not by much. This was a very close fight and those swing rounds could go either way. To bring up a point that I noticed after watching the bout, I looked at the officials scorecards and Harold Lederman who does not score Even rounds, had it 6-3-1 for Duran. An Even round from Harold??? Damn, that had to be close.

[Seamus]

Right now, of people who scored the fight on Boxrec, I believe it's 3-2 for Viruet.

Witherspoon, scored the fight and gave it a much more thorough report than I did


Roberto Duran v Edwin Viruet, 30th September 1975. Nassau Coliseum , New York. 10 round non-title bout.

It's interesting to see Duran at the peak of his LW title reign looking a little bit like the thicker man who would fight from WW to MW in the '80's. Not that he looks chubby, he looks fit, just bigger than a LW.
It seems that it was common for lighter weight champions to engage in overweight non-title fights well into the '70's. I guess nobody stays in one weight division long enough these days for overweight non-title fights to be significant. One more side-effect of the proliferation of weight classes and titles.

Round 1. 10-9 Duran
Duran takes the first on effective aggression. He hurts Viruet on two occassions, and is constantly forcing his opponent to retreat. But Viruet is far from gun shy, he does his best to clinch when Duran gets inside, but he is willing to trade punches when he is cornered.

Round 2. 10-9 Viruet
Duran starts more aggressively this round, he's got the look of a man just warmed up to a familiar routine. But Viruet matches Duran's increased intensity with increased confidence in his evasive ability. He takes chances to land accurate, fast combos before dancing gracefully out of range of retaliation. The first signs of showboating manifest themselves as he risks an Ali shuffle while Duran charges angrily towards him and he spends much time with his arms held loosely by his sides while tantalisingly close to Duran's punching range.
19-19

Round 3. 10-9 Duran
Duran's intensity level increases again, now he shows signs of what makes him great. He is like a man-shaped tornado, but his wild fists always know exactly where to be. He is on top of Viruet like lightening and hurting him to head and body, he initiates the clinches now, just to keep Viruet close enough to hurt. And that seems to be his only objective. He's not boxing, he's fighting to hurt this man as much as possible, and the gloves are an obstacle to be overcome, not tools of his trade.
BUT, it's Viruet who really impresses me here. In the face of this force of nature, committed to his destruction, he maintains his composure elegently. He keeps throwing (and landing) hard punches against the incoming deluge of aggression, he keeps his balance and moves about the ring gracefully under fire and most impressively of all, he shows no signs of being discouraged. Ali shuffle at the bell
29-28 Duran

Round 4 10-10
It's very tempting to give this round to Viruet, I almost succumbed to his showboating tactics. But Duran continues to press forward with determination, always landing punches. It's difficult to know if Duran has eased off or if Viruet's tactics are negating his work, but Viruet is definately moving more effectively, he is giving Duran a wider berth and using his jab alot more, snapping it out as long as he possibly can to keep Duran away from him.
39-38 Duran

Round 5 10-9 Viruet
Close round, very difficult to score. Duran's pace has definately slowed, but Viruet seems to have renewed energy, he moves constantly to keep Duran from setting himself and he lands his jab freely. Durans punches are more damaging, and more effective, but Viruet uses his movement and jab to keep Duran away for most of the round. His showboating rises to a new level as he bounds around the ring raising his knees, waves his left hand in front of Duran's face and smiles to the crowd when Duran connects.
48-48

Round 6 10-9 Duran
Viruet starts well, circling wide and using the whole ring to put distance between himself and Duran. But it's not long before Duran catches up, and most of the round is fought in Duran's territory. Viruet fights bravely on the inside, he trades punches willingly with Duran, but he can't match Duran for power and is bullied around the ring.
58-57 Duran

Round 7 10-9 Duran
Duran picks up exactly where he left off at the end of round 6, and this round follows pretty much the same pattern, if anything Duran is landing more cleanly now and more frequently. But for all his attempts to run, mock and evade, Viruet is right there with Duran all the way. He is taking some hard punches but he never stops fighting back.
68-66 Duran

Round 8 10-9 Viruet
Close round, but Viruet much more dedicated to his jab in this round, and actually seems to hurt Duran with a long right hand.
76-77 Duran

Round 9 10-9 Viruet
Another close round, Duran is still doing damage but it's Viruet who controls the action, he keeps Duran out of range for most of the round and scores effectively with his jab.
86-86

Round 10 10-9 Viruet
Viruet starts purposefully, he stays as close as possible to Duran and scores effectively with combinations of straight punches. He manages to outscore Duran in the first half of the round, even resumes his showboating, sticking his chin out at Duran. The second half of the round is more evenly fought, but duran doesn't do enough to overcome Viruet's solid start.
96-95 Viruet

Very exciting fight, thoroughly enjoyed watching this. I'm not 100% sure about my scoring, and won't argue with anyone who says that Duran deserved the decision. But I was really impressed with Viruet, took some heavy punches and weathered some really intense moments without ever losing his cool. And the showboating that probably led me to dislike him when I first watched this fight actually makes me respect his confidence to even dare to do that to Duran in his prime (he had defended his LW title 7 times with 7 KO's at this point).

[scartissue]

Salvador Sanchez vs Ruben Castillo

R1.10-9 RC
R2.10-9 RC
R3.10-9 RC
R4.10-9 SS
R5.10-10
R6.10-9 SS
R7.10-9 SS
R8.10-9 SS
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 SS
R11.10-9 SS
R12.10-9 SS
R13.10-9 RC
R14.10-9 SS
R15.10-9 SS

Salvador Sanchez 146-141

This was Sanchez's first title defense,
and the challenger Ruben Castillo got off to a good start, clearly outboxing
the champion over the first three rounds. But then Sanchez became more
focused and applied the pressure to Castillo, clearly outlanding him with a
nice mix of body and headshots the rest of the way. Interestingly, in an
interview many years later, Castillo claimed "I whupped his ass, but Don
King wouldn't let me get the decision". Well Castillo remained poised and
boxed and moved well to the final bell, but at the end, he just hadn't
landed enough to win. Same exact score I gave for Sanchez vs LaPorte. So,
who was better vs Sanchez, LaPorte or Castillo ? I think Ruben looked a bit
more skillfull, but just needed to be busier.

Seamus, here's another bout I've been meaning to attack. Salvador Sanchez vs. Ruben Castillo. I think I had it a draw in my head when I first saw this bout. But pen to paper, here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Castillo
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Castillo
Round 4: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 7: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 8: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 9: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 10: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 11: 10-9 Castillo
Round 12: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 13: 10-9 Castillo
Round 14: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 15: 10-10 Even

Total: 146-142 Sanchez

Sanchez was never the best against boxers. He really shone against sluggers whom he could counter-punch into knots. But despite boxers not being his wheelhouse, he was still too good for them and Castillo was a good one.