Kalan wrote:Al Haymon isn't a promoter... He calls himself an "adviser" and takes 10% or so from about 150 boxers so he is getting rich.
But many of his boxers languish because he has his favorites and his unfavorites. Gary Russell is the best Featherweight, but he's getting crap fights. Beterbiev is getting nothing. Haymon has people working for him that make phone calls and help him put together matches. He's come up with all of Wilder's opponents, but for a Heavyweight Champion with 6 Heavyweight Championship fights, Wilder hasn't made a lot of money.
Wilder has yet to face a top Heavyweight. Now that Haymon has both Oritz and Wilder maybe that fight will be made because Ortiz is 38. It's fight that would be high profile and keep the title under the Haymon banner. It's the kind of fight Haymon puts together. However Russell, Santa Cruz, Frampton, and Selby all use Haymon I believe.. You would think Russell would get a chance to knock those guys out, but he's not getting a thing.. A lot of boxers think Haymon is the magic pill they need -- but it just ties them up contractually and doesn't work out for them. When you have so many boxers how the Hell can you pay attention to all of them? It's an impossible situation for Beterbiev.
Didn't Haymon get Russell a fight with Lomachenko? That's a pretty high profile fight. Maybe Haymon doesn't think he is ready for Cruz, Frampton, etc. Maybe he could try to get Rigo?
I don't know why so many people are speculating all sorts of bûllshît nonsense ideas when five minutes is all it would take to obtain the answer to the question posed by the thread title... indeed, this topic has already been discussed several times, to the point of exhaustion, by this forum, yet it amazes me that so many people are utterly clueless about what had actually transpired.
gilgamesh wrote:Why did Haymon not make dozens of potential great matchups available to him? I'll tell you why. Because he's a sh*tty promoter.
He tries to make his money in the Boxing game through shady backdoor deals and loopholes instead of actually putting out a worthwhile product most of the time.
I didn't think Haymon was a promoter? Or is he both?
I think he is responsible for putting together some pretty good fights over the last year or two, as compared to the other big promoters....but yeah, he sure could do more.
Legally he can't be a promoter and an adviser, but he arranges the fights and just has a figurehead as promoter. Like Floyd used to do with GBP.
gilgamesh wrote:Why did Haymon not make dozens of potential great matchups available to him? I'll tell you why. Because he's a sh*tty promoter.
He tries to make his money in the Boxing game through shady backdoor deals and loopholes instead of actually putting out a worthwhile product most of the time.
I didn't think Haymon was a promoter? Or is he both?
I think he is responsible for putting together some pretty good fights over the last year or two, as compared to the other big promoters....but yeah, he sure could do more.
Legally he can't be a promoter and an adviser, but he arranges the fights and just has a figurehead as promoter. Like Floyd used to do with GBP.
If Main Events, Top Rank and Golden Boy all failed to prove in court that Al Haymon fulfilled the role of a promoter (directly or by proxy), then why do you make this claim?
Main Events & Top Rank dropped their lawsuits and GBP got theirs dismissed pretty much immediately.
Kalan wrote:Al Haymon isn't a promoter... He calls himself an "adviser" and takes 10% or so from about 150 boxers so he is getting rich.
But many of his boxers languish because he has his favorites and his unfavorites. Gary Russell is the best Featherweight, but he's getting crap fights. Beterbiev is getting nothing. Haymon has people working for him that make phone calls and help him put together matches. He's come up with all of Wilder's opponents, but for a Heavyweight Champion with 6 Heavyweight Championship fights, Wilder hasn't made a lot of money.
Wilder has yet to face a top Heavyweight. Now that Haymon has both Oritz and Wilder maybe that fight will be made because Ortiz is 38. It's fight that would be high profile and keep the title under the Haymon banner. It's the kind of fight Haymon puts together. However Russell, Santa Cruz, Frampton, and Selby all use Haymon I believe.. You would think Russell would get a chance to knock those guys out, but he's not getting a thing.. A lot of boxers think Haymon is the magic pill they need -- but it just ties them up contractually and doesn't work out for them. When you have so many boxers how the Hell can you pay attention to all of them? It's an impossible situation for Beterbiev.
Didn't Haymon get Russell a fight with Lomachenko? That's a pretty high profile fight. Maybe Haymon doesn't think he is ready for Cruz, Frampton, etc. Maybe he could try to get Rigo?
Oh yeah, it's really a gift to fight Lomachenko right??? More like a certain loss.. That was over 3 years ago and that's his only defeat in 29 fights.. So he fights the most skilled boxer in the world and then nothing??? Jhonny Gonzalez knocked out Jorge Arce and Abner Mares -- and then was knocked out very easily by Russell. Gary knocked Gonzalez down 3 X and jabbed, boxed, and punched the crap out him for 4 rounds without even trying... Since then Russell has gotten 2 fights and Gonzalez has gotten 8 fights -- fighting for various versions of WBC Titles like their Silver International and Latino Titles.
What I'm seeing is Russell is just flat-out being denied high profile Featherweight Title Fights with Santa Cruz, Selby, Frampton, Mares, and Cuellar... Just like Beterbiev, who is already 32 and has had only 11 super easy fights in over 4 years, Russell's talent and career are being pissed away by Haymon.
montrealsuper wrote:Question to boxing fans... Why did Al Haymon not match Stevenson vs Beterbiev in a Lt Hwt superfight? Was he protecting his one preferred fraud star from a bona fide Russian beast? Or was it just a coincidence that Haymon never got the idea to match Stevenson vs Beterbiev?
Already our learnered posters have given many good and some rather bizzare reasons why not.
I think the most simple reason is probably closest to the truth.
Money.
There is no money in it.
We know who Betatape is, the general public don't.
They would know Beterbiev after he koed chickenshitt. Was there any money in Chickenshitt vs Fonfara? Beterbiev would take what he's offered. He wouldn't play hardball.
