Beterbiev isn't that good.

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Beterbiev isn't that good.

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Mark my words, Beterbiev will be exposed when he fights a top fighter. He's slow, has poor defense, and tends to throw wild swings.
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Are you sure he'll ever fight a top fighter?
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VG_Addict wrote:Mark my words, Beterbiev will be exposed when he fights a top fighter. He's slow, has poor defense, and tends to throw wild swings.
You have no idea what you're talking about... He's been on the shelf FOREVER!!! He's NOT going to get any opportunities if Al Haymon can help it. The man's talent is undeniable.. The only reason he didn't get to KO Kovalev is Haymon nixed the fight.. Since then he's gotten NOTHING!!!
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VG_Addict wrote:Mark my words, Beterbiev will be exposed when he fights a top fighter. He's slow, has poor defense, and tends to throw wild swings.
Just how ignorant this Addict is can be seen in Beterbiev's sharp punching, excellent defense, and clean KO's with short sharp punches. Gabrielle Campillo and Travoris Cloud were World Light Heavyweight Champions... They were so badly over-matched by Beterbiev it was ridiculous.
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Signing with Haymon was a huge mistake.
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Hell we may never know if he's good or not. Haymon fighters often just wind up wasting years of their career doing f*ck all.
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We KNOW he's not only good...we know he's great... We can tell from the caliber of his opponents and his ring record: 11 fights... 11 wins... 11 KO's... His last opponent had only one (1) loss in 30 fights.. But he was crushed in the first round and looked like he didn't belong in the ring with Beterbiev.

Beterbiev has only 31 rounds of action in over 4 years of professional boxing... Mike Tyson had 28 fights in his first 1.5 years of professional boxing... Mike also had the Heavyweight Title and he was 20 years old.. It makes a MASSIVE difference the way a boxer is managed and matched..

Mayweather had a World Title less than 2 years into his pro career.. Floyd was managed and matched very well.. But it's also possible to keep a guy with a long amateur career on the shelf until he's 36 or 38 -- then just say "He didn't make it -- he just didn't have the goods" which is bullcrap of course.
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I think he's got elite two-handed power, but he's open and very crude. I wish the fight with Barrera had gone ahead....
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Another fighter who gets hyped and is downplayed in response.
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crusader wrote:I think he's got elite two-handed power, but he's open and very crude. I wish the fight with Barrera had gone ahead....
You don't know what you're talking about.. Crude defenders are Fonfara, Rodriguez, Williams, Campillo, Cleverly, Karpency, Pascal, Browne, Chilemba, Bute, even Smith to a degree can be reached with telling blows.. Beterbiev has well over 300 amateur fights and nobody gets good shots on him.. Of course if he rusts out completely because he doesn't get enough fights or appropriate opponents -- eventually he's going to be hittable.
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Kalan wrote:
crusader wrote:I think he's got elite two-handed power, but he's open and very crude. I wish the fight with Barrera had gone ahead....
You don't know what you're talking about.. Crude defenders are Fonfara, Rodriguez, Williams, Campillo, Cleverly, Karpency, Pascal, Browne, Chilemba, Bute, even Smith to a degree can be reached with telling blows.. Beterbiev has well over 300 amateur fights and nobody gets good shots on him.. Of course if he rusts out completely because he doesn't get enough fights or appropriate opponents -- eventually he's going to be hittable.

Now...he's Pernell Whitaker............
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Whitaker got decked by Felix Trinidad and beaten a few times... When has that ever happened to Beterbiev????? He's so slick he was never even rocked.
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He got dropped by Jeff Page
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Watch this video slo-mo at 6:36.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxV6vjZibHs and you'll see that was no knockdown.

Page is ducking below the waist and pushing in with his head -- both illegal.. Page then shoves Beterbiev off balance with his left forearm (illegal). As Beterbiev is falling, Page hits and shoves with the outside of his right glove (not a legal striking surface) to the neck.. The referee missed it as many referees do when you're pushed and punched.. He should have ruled it a push down and just missed it.. That doesn't make it a real knockdown.

Whitaker was ruled knocked down by De La Hoya... That was another Bullsh!t knockdown that was an even more ridiculous bad call -- and there's a lot of fkked up calls like that in Boxing... But Whitaker lost that fight -- and Beterbiev won by KO in the 2nd round. Page was 15-0... Beterbiev was 6-0...
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I like Beterbiev. I hope he gets a decent challenge soon, most importantly so at least this slice of Kalan's giant whine and cheese pie can be dispensed with.
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Kalan wrote:Watch this video slo-mo at 6:36.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxV6vjZibHs and you'll see that was no knockdown.

Page is ducking below the waist and pushing in with his head -- both illegal.. Page then shoves Beterbiev off balance with his left forearm (illegal). As Beterbiev is falling, Page hits and shoves with the outside of his right glove (not a legal striking surface) to the neck.. The referee missed it as many referees do when you're pushed and punched.. He should have ruled it a push down and just missed it.. That doesn't make it a real knockdown.

Whitaker was ruled knocked down by De La Hoya... That was another Bullsh!t knockdown that was an even more ridiculous bad call -- and there's a lot of fkked up calls like that in Boxing... But Whitaker lost that fight -- and Beterbiev won by KO in the 2nd round. Page was 15-0... Beterbiev was 6-0...
You're an idiot dude....that's a clean knockdown. Man, you really are a joke. I never realized how much until your last couple posts. Absolute moron.
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crusader wrote:He got dropped by Jeff Page
He did, absolutely. That knockdown was clean as a whistle...how this dope Kalan above can call that one illegal just proves that he doesn't understand the sport of Boxing. He's also the one pissing his pants every day about Ward low blows....the guys not worth arguing with. It's like he's the ant and we're the magnifying glass.
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caldo2025 wrote:
crusader wrote:He got dropped by Jeff Page
He did, absolutely. That knockdown was clean as a whistle...how this dope Kalan above can call that one illegal just proves that he doesn't understand the sport of Boxing. He's also the one pissing his pants every day about Ward low blows....the guys not worth arguing with. It's like he's the ant and we're the magnifying glass.
The episode did start with a forearm shove which pushed Beterbiev off balance which was followed by a punch. Beterbiev fell only because he was already off balance. He was clearly not hurt at all.
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Which top fighters have the guts to get in there with Beterbiev? None. Chickenson has been running scared for over two years. Protected by the transvestite Haymon.
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caldo2025 wrote:
Kalan wrote:Watch this video slo-mo at 6:36.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxV6vjZibHs and you'll see that was no knockdown.

Page is ducking below the waist and pushing in with his head -- both illegal.. Page then shoves Beterbiev off balance with his left forearm (illegal). As Beterbiev is falling, Page hits and shoves with the outside of his right glove (not a legal striking surface) to the neck.. The referee missed it as many referees do when you're pushed and punched.. He should have ruled it a push down and just missed it.. That doesn't make it a real knockdown.

Whitaker was ruled knocked down by De La Hoya... That was another Bullsh!t knockdown that was an even more ridiculous bad call -- and there's a lot of fkked up calls like that in Boxing... But Whitaker lost that fight -- and Beterbiev won by KO in the 2nd round. Page was 15-0... Beterbiev was 6-0...
You're an idiot dude....that's a clean knockdown. Man, you really are a joke. I never realized how much until your last couple posts. Absolute moron.
Caldo, you're so stupid you won't look at facts that don't support your preconceived notions.. Look at the video starting at 6:36 because that gives the clearest picture of what happened.. Page definitely shoved Beterbiev with his forearm and you can't miss it.. You have to be the dumbest jerk in the world.
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Bert is an atg lh. Beat kovalev, destroys pascal in sparring.
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boxing_rocks wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
crusader wrote:He got dropped by Jeff Page
He did, absolutely. That knockdown was clean as a whistle...how this dope Kalan above can call that one illegal just proves that he doesn't understand the sport of Boxing. He's also the one pissing his pants every day about Ward low blows....the guys not worth arguing with. It's like he's the ant and we're the magnifying glass.
The episode did start with a forearm shove which pushed Beterbiev off balance which was followed by a punch. Beterbiev fell only because he was already off balance. He was clearly not hurt at all.
True... You can't bull-rush your opponent and shove them off balance with a forearm prior to hitting them. Pushing is clearly delineated as a foul in Boxing.
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Kalan wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
Kalan wrote:Watch this video slo-mo at 6:36.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxV6vjZibHs and you'll see that was no knockdown.

Page is ducking below the waist and pushing in with his head -- both illegal.. Page then shoves Beterbiev off balance with his left forearm (illegal). As Beterbiev is falling, Page hits and shoves with the outside of his right glove (not a legal striking surface) to the neck.. The referee missed it as many referees do when you're pushed and punched.. He should have ruled it a push down and just missed it.. That doesn't make it a real knockdown.

Whitaker was ruled knocked down by De La Hoya... That was another Bullsh!t knockdown that was an even more ridiculous bad call -- and there's a lot of fkked up calls like that in Boxing... But Whitaker lost that fight -- and Beterbiev won by KO in the 2nd round. Page was 15-0... Beterbiev was 6-0...
You're an idiot dude....that's a clean knockdown. Man, you really are a joke. I never realized how much until your last couple posts. Absolute moron.
Caldo, you're so stupid you won't look at facts that don't support your preconceived notions.. Look at the video starting at 6:36 because that gives the clearest picture of what happened.. Page definitely shoved Beterbiev with his forearm and you can't miss it.. You have to be the dumbest jerk in the world.
You and your merry little band of misfit toys from Povetkinia just don't understand the nature of this sport and really aren't qualified to have this many opinions. You lack the intelligence for it so why don't you head over to UFC for a while as it's easier to understand over there. They have fireworks and cool colors in their shows to keep you occupied and Joe Rogan could make a toddler understand what's going on.

Before you go, one quick lesson: A knockdown is a 2 point round 99% of the time and a huge factor in any fight. A boxer gets credit for a knockdown and those 2 points typically whether the opponent was hurt or not. You don't have to hurt someone to get a knockdown you infant. That is the clearest of knockdowns that shows your mentality and opinion of boxing is lacking and you don't belong in the deep end here. Put the floaty arms on and get in the shallow end behind the rope and we'll let you know when you can come back.
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:lol:
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boxing_rocks wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
crusader wrote:He got dropped by Jeff Page
He did, absolutely. That knockdown was clean as a whistle...how this dope Kalan above can call that one illegal just proves that he doesn't understand the sport of Boxing. He's also the one pissing his pants every day about Ward low blows....the guys not worth arguing with. It's like he's the ant and we're the magnifying glass.
The episode did start with a forearm shove which pushed Beterbiev off balance which was followed by a punch. Beterbiev fell only because he was already off balance. He was clearly not hurt at all.
Another misfit toy showing he doesn't belong in the discussion. It's the boxers responsibility to stay on his feet and not let a clean shot take him down. Don't you guys watch though? Like i'm blown away here. You do know the object of the game right? Boxers use elbows, shoulders, hands to unsteady another boxer to land a shot to get the knockdown. Every single boxer has these moves and techniques. That was a textbook knockdown in ANY true knowledgable boxing fan. You guys really need to know the rules before mucking up this site with this drivel.
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