Golovkin: I Respect Chavez Jr. More, Canelo Gave Me His Belt!

[Ruthless-RKO]

"Golovkin: I Respect Chavez Jr. More, Canelo Gave Me His Belt!"

Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin (36-0, 33 KOs) is hoping Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. will grab an upset victory over Saul "Canelo" Alvarez on May 6th from the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

Golovkin admits that he believes Chavez Jr. will shave off too much weight and come in drained, which will lead to a decision loss to Canelo. There is a catch-weight in place of 164.5-pounds. Chavez has not weighed below 167.5-pounds since 2012, when he fought Sergio Martinez at middleweight.

Should Canelo win, and Golovkin defeat his mandatory challenger Daniel Jacobs on March 18th at Madison Square Garden, there is a possibility of them facing each other in September during Mexican Independence Day weekend.

Golovkin says that he has a lot more respect for Chavez Jr., because of their past actions with world titles.

When Chavez Jr. was the WBC middleweight champion, he went forward with his mandatory challenger, who was Sergio Martinez, and lost the title over the twelve round distance. When Canelo was the WBC champion last year, he was ordered to make a mandatory defense against Golovkin. After promising on national television to make that defense, Canelo vacated his title and dropped down to 154. By default, the World Boxing Council named Golovkin as their new world champion.

"I respect more Chavez Jr. - because Canelo show me his face... too much talking.. too much you know. He gave me [his] belt... his WBC belt. Chavez.. he never like that. If you want belt, [Chavez Jr. says] please fight [me]... I don't give my belt," Golovkin told A Los Golpes.

"I want... [I'm] serious... Julio Jr. [to win], but I think this time he maybe.. lose too much weight for him. Canelo is going to 164 and he will be more fresh, more speed, more power. I think on points Canelo [will win]. But in my heart I want Chavez [to win]."

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100 % spot on. now chickenweather is coming out of the woods and talking nonsense again, that canelo will ko GGG , that other boxers dont train hard.

he avoided prime tszyu, prime mosley, prime oscar, like canelo is avoiding now prime GGG!! maybe thats why floyd likes the similar thinking canelo

[Enlightened-One]

"Golovkin: I Respect Chavez Jr. More, Canelo Gave Me His Belt!"

Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin (36-0, 33 KOs) is hoping Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. will grab an upset victory over Saul "Canelo" Alvarez on May 6th from the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

Golovkin says that he has a lot more respect for Chavez Jr., because of their past actions with world titles.

When Chavez Jr. was the WBC middleweight champion, he went forward with his mandatory challenger, who was Sergio Martinez, and lost the title over the twelve round distance. When Canelo was the WBC champion last year, he was ordered to make a mandatory defense against Golovkin.

If Tom Loeffler had not backtracked on his original request for the WBA to commence the purse bid process between Golovkin and Jacobs, then there would have been a very good chance that Haymon could have funded the winning purse bid, resulting in GGG vacating his WBA “Super” World middleweight title, due to the Kazakh’s exclusive contract with HBO.

After telling the WBA that a purse bid was needed, it was only the K2 boss himself that had a rethink and then persistently lobbied for extensions to their deadlines, because I think he realised the folly of his hasty actions.

This is a fairly similar situation to the Canelo-Golovkin situation, where the Mexican vacated his belt rather than be dictated to by the terms of the WBC, because they would have imposed deadlines for talks and also the purse split percentages.

Canelo is the clear A-side, financially-speaking, over Golovkin, so I understand the business-reasons for GBP wanting their fighter to drop his belt.

So Loeffler chose to negotiate terms rather than adhere to the WBA’s purse bid rules and De La Hoya chose to get Canelo to drop his title rather than adhere to the WBC’s purse bid rules, in order to eventually have the ability to negotiate with K2 on their own terms.

Whilst I’m frustrated about GGG and Canelo not having fought yet, from a business perspective, the actions of Loeffler and De La Hoya are entirely reasonable and consistent with each other’s behaviour.

[caldo2025]

Do fans really care anymore about GGG and Canelo fighting? This isn't like Manny and Floyd not fighting for their prime years where us fans wondered who was better Manny or Floyd? The world knows that GGG is the king of the world and the chance of Canelo getting knocked out early is very probable. So I'm already over it. The boxing schedule is jacked with way better fights that Canelo/GGG right now.

[Ruthless-RKO]

"Golovkin: I Respect Chavez Jr. More, Canelo Gave Me His Belt!"

Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin (36-0, 33 KOs) is hoping Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. will grab an upset victory over Saul "Canelo" Alvarez on May 6th from the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

Golovkin says that he has a lot more respect for Chavez Jr., because of their past actions with world titles.

When Chavez Jr. was the WBC middleweight champion, he went forward with his mandatory challenger, who was Sergio Martinez, and lost the title over the twelve round distance. When Canelo was the WBC champion last year, he was ordered to make a mandatory defense against Golovkin.

After telling the WBA that a purse bid was needed, it was only the K2 boss himself that had a rethink and then persistently lobbied for extensions to their deadlines, because I think he realised the folly of his hasty actions.

This is a fairly similar situation to the Canelo-Golovkin situation, where the Mexican vacated his belt rather than be dictated to by the terms of the WBC, because they would have imposed deadlines for talks and also the purse split percentages.

But GBP never asked to adjust timescales. I understand there is a difference to.. it's not like GGG would have vacated and then K2 still negotiate with Jacobs, because the fight isn't mandated then. Where as Canelo-GGG is a big money fight.. I guess it's just frustration. Should've just fought by now.

[Enlightened-One]

"Golovkin: I Respect Chavez Jr. More, Canelo Gave Me His Belt!"

Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin (36-0, 33 KOs) is hoping Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. will grab an upset victory over Saul "Canelo" Alvarez on May 6th from the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

Golovkin says that he has a lot more respect for Chavez Jr., because of their past actions with world titles.

When Chavez Jr. was the WBC middleweight champion, he went forward with his mandatory challenger, who was Sergio Martinez, and lost the title over the twelve round distance. When Canelo was the WBC champion last year, he was ordered to make a mandatory defense against Golovkin.

After telling the WBA that a purse bid was needed, it was only the K2 boss himself that had a rethink and then persistently lobbied for extensions to their deadlines, because I think he realised the folly of his hasty actions.

This is a fairly similar situation to the Canelo-Golovkin situation, where the Mexican vacated his belt rather than be dictated to by the terms of the WBC, because they would have imposed deadlines for talks and also the purse split percentages.

But GBP never asked to adjust timescales. I understand there is a difference to.. it's not like GGG would have vacated and then K2 still negotiate with Jacobs, because the fight isn't mandated then. Where as Canelo-GGG is a big money fight.. I guess it's just frustration. Should've just fought by now.

From a sporting perspective, I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments about the delay in the GGG-Canelo fight. I’m frustrated too.

From a business perspective, the contract negotiation process for super-fights are expected to follow a different approach to run-of-the-mill bouts, because none of the big four governing bodies should play any part whatsoever in the negotiation of the timescales and also the purse splits earned by both combatants.

Team Canelo being the A-side, financially, has every right to impose their purse split demands on GGG, without receiving any interference from the WBC (who typically expect their champions-challengers to receive a 70-30 purse split and to fight according to their specified timescales).

Put it this way, Canelo's decision to drop his WBC belt is pretty similar to Sergey Kovalev denouncing his WBC mandatory challenger status to challenge for Adonis Stevenson’s world title (due to his exclusive contract with HBO prevented him from exploiting this opportunity if the Russian's promoter, Main Events, lost the purse bid), since the justification for Canelo's and Krusher's actions were clearly motivated by business reasons.

It’s also similar to Manny Pacquiao’s decision to abandon his own WBC mandatory challenger status in preference of going down the WBO route intead, because he felt he deserved more than the WBC’s 30% purse split in order to face Floyd Mayweather (who at the time was the WBC's champion). The Filipino legend also had an exclusive contract with HBO that would have almost certainly prevented him from participating in any WBC purse bid process (as per the Kovalev-Stevenson situation).

Didn’t Larry Holmes choose to vacate his WBC title, because he preferred to receive a $3.1m purse to engage in a non-title fight against Marvis Frazier, instead of accepting the $2.5m offered by Don King to defend his WBC world championship belt against Greg Page?

Therefore, I personally find it very confusing that fight fans aggressively deride Canelo for declining to participate in a WBC world title bout against a specific opponent, whereas Sergey Kovalev, Manny Pacquiao and Larry Holmes were all given free passes when they also declined opportunities to compete in WBC title fights for similar business reasons.

Unfortunately, boxers are known as “PRIZE” fighters, not “PRIDE” fighters, and it is common to expect business objectives to take priority over sporting ambitions.

[boxing_rocks]

Unfortunately, EO is lame.

[Enlightened-One]

Unfortunately, EO is lame.

Shall I assume that you wholeheartedly agree with my previous post in this thread?

[boxing_rocks]

Wholeheartedly disagree with your lame arguments.

[Kalan]

Didn’t Larry Holmes choose to vacate his WBC title, because he preferred to receive a $3.1m purse to engage in a non-title fight against Marvis Frazier, instead of accepting the $2.5m offered by Don King to defend his WBC world championship belt against Greg Page?

Page getting his butt kicked by Trevor Berbick and Tony Tubbs had a lot to do with not getting the Larry Holmes fight... The Marvis Frazier fight was a championship fight... Joe Frazier proved his dumbness as a boxing manager by matching his 10-0 son with the 44-0 Larry Holmes ... and matching Duane Bobick with his buddy Ken Norton... Neither of Frazier's charges got through the 1st round -- but the story is how bad they looked for the minute they were in there

[Enlightened-One]

Didn’t Larry Holmes choose to vacate his WBC title, because he preferred to receive a $3.1m purse to engage in a non-title fight against Marvis Frazier, instead of accepting the $2.5m offered by Don King to defend his WBC world championship belt against Greg Page?

Page getting his butt kicked by Trevor Berbick and Tony Tubbs had a lot to do with not getting the Larry Holmes fight... The Marvis Frazier fight was a championship fight... Joe Frazier proved his dumbness as a boxing manager by matching his 10-0 son with the 44-0 Larry Holmes ... and matching Duane Bobick with his buddy Ken Norton... Neither of Frazier's charges got through the 1st round -- but the story is how bad they looked for the minute they were in there

Apart from The Ring or perhaps lineal titles, which belt was on the line in the Holmes-Frazier fight?

Money was the sole reason why Holmes fought Frazier instead of Page.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

100 % spot on. now chickenweather is coming out of the woods and talking nonsense again, that canelo will ko GGG , that other boxers dont train hard.

he avoided prime tszyu, prime mosley, prime oscar, like canelo is avoiding now prime GGG!! maybe thats why floyd likes the similar thinking canelo

Brutally bad and inaccurate post. Chavez ducked ggg too. It's shame with Mexico's rich boxing history that they have 2 guys afraid to go to war.

[Enlightened-One]

100 % spot on. now chickenweather is coming out of the woods and talking nonsense again, that canelo will ko GGG , that other boxers dont train hard.

he avoided prime tszyu, prime mosley, prime oscar, like canelo is avoiding now prime GGG!! maybe thats why floyd likes the similar thinking canelo

Brutally bad and inaccurate post. Chavez ducked ggg too. It's shame with Mexico's rich boxing history that they have 2 guys afraid to go to war.

The only reason why Chavez Jr. turned down the Golovkin fight was to be released from Top Rank.

In order to get the big purse he'd agreed to take to face Golovkin, Chavez Jr. had to also sign a two fight extension of his contract with Top Rank. His fight purse being offered dropped significantly when he wouldn't accept the contract extension. Bob Arum confirmed this.

Instead, Chavez Jr. refused Top Rank's terms, turned down the GGG fight and signed with Al Haymon instead.

Do you need to research this for yourself or should we all just be lazy by accusing all fighters not named Golovkin or Kovalev as "cowards"?

[boxing_rocks]

Right, and Stevenson left HBO and didn't fight Kovalev also in order to sign with Haymon. You mix up a reason (not wanting to fight) with an excuse or means of doing so.

[BitPlayer]

100 % spot on. now chickenweather is coming out of the woods and talking nonsense again, that canelo will ko GGG , that other boxers dont train hard.

he avoided prime tszyu, prime mosley, prime oscar, like canelo is avoiding now prime GGG!! maybe thats why floyd likes the similar thinking canelo

Unlike when GGG stepped up to beat Ward and Froch.

[boxing_rocks]

100 % spot on. now chickenweather is coming out of the woods and talking nonsense again, that canelo will ko GGG , that other boxers dont train hard.

he avoided prime tszyu, prime mosley, prime oscar, like canelo is avoiding now prime GGG!! maybe thats why floyd likes the similar thinking canelo

Unlike when GGG stepped up to beat Ward and Froch.

Like Ward to say nothing of Froch ever wanted to fight Golovkin.

[Enlightened-One]

Right, and Stevenson left HBO and didn't fight Kovalev also in order to sign with Haymon. You mix up a reason (not wanting to fight) with an excuse or means of doing so.

Showtime offered Stevenson big money to sign with them. HBO were asked to improve their offer to outbid their rival network, which would have secured the Kovalev fight, but they declined. So it was HBO's refusal to engage in a bidding war that scuppered the Stevenson-Kovalev fight, resulting in the Canadian moving to Showtime.

It was also HBO's fault that Sergey had to withdraw from the WBC's purse bid process to fight Stevenson a couple of years later. Though Kathy Duva deserves to be lambasted for her insincere antics.

Do you care to fact check this information?

[darkstar81]

Let's just hear that again... Canelo gave up the belt. Gave up the belt!

Who cares about Canelo. GGG should beat Jacobs, get the WBO belt from Saunders and move up to 168.

[boxing_rocks]

Right, and Stevenson left HBO and didn't fight Kovalev also in order to sign with Haymon. You mix up a reason (not wanting to fight) with an excuse or means of doing so.

Showtime offered Stevenson big money to sign with them. HBO were asked to improve their offer to outbid their rival network, which would have secured the Kovalev fight, but they declined. So it was HBO's refusal to engage in a bidding war that scuppered the Stevenson-Kovalev fight, resulting in the Canadian moving to Showtime.

It was also HBO's fault that Sergey had to withdraw from the WBC's purse bid process to fight Stevenson a couple of years later. Though Kathy Duva deserves to be lambasted for her insincere antics.

Do you care to fact check this information?

No point to argue with a stiff who takes everything literally.

[boxing_rocks]

Let's just hear that again... Canelo gave up the belt. Gave up the belt!

Who cares about Canelo. GGG should beat Jacobs, get the WBO belt from Saunders and move up to 168.

Exactly. F*ck Canelo if he keeps playing diva.

[klitoris]

GGG is preachin the truth like a razor blade and the canelitas and floydlitas just can't take it

[Enlightened-One]

Right, and Stevenson left HBO and didn't fight Kovalev also in order to sign with Haymon. You mix up a reason (not wanting to fight) with an excuse or means of doing so.

Showtime offered Stevenson big money to sign with them. HBO were asked to improve their offer to outbid their rival network, which would have secured the Kovalev fight, but they declined. So it was HBO's refusal to engage in a bidding war that scuppered the Stevenson-Kovalev fight, resulting in the Canadian moving to Showtime.

It was also HBO's fault that Sergey had to withdraw from the WBC's purse bid process to fight Stevenson a couple of years later. Though Kathy Duva deserves to be lambasted for her insincere antics.

Do you care to fact check this information?

No point to argue with a stiff who takes everything literally.

Literally or correctly?

[Nile4000]

Didn’t Larry Holmes choose to vacate his WBC title, because he preferred to receive a $3.1m purse to engage in a non-title fight against Marvis Frazier, instead of accepting the $2.5m offered by Don King to defend his WBC world championship belt against Greg Page?

Page getting his butt kicked by Trevor Berbick and Tony Tubbs had a lot to do with not getting the Larry Holmes fight... The Marvis Frazier fight was a championship fight... Joe Frazier proved his dumbness as a boxing manager by matching his 10-0 son with the 44-0 Larry Holmes ... and matching Duane Bobick with his buddy Ken Norton... Neither of Frazier's charges got through the 1st round -- but the story is how bad they looked for the minute they were in there

Apart from The Ring or perhaps lineal titles, which belt was on the line in the Holmes-Frazier fight?

Money was the sole reason why Holmes fought Frazier instead of Page.

He also knew, that, deep down, a motivated Page could clean his clock.

[Kalan]

Holmes' Heavyweight Title was on the line against Marvis... They were introduced as Champion and Challenger and everyone knew it was a Title Fight.

Nobody expected Page to beat Holmes -- least of all Holmes... The Berbick fight demonstrated that Page didn't have it.