dagilechia wrote:
now he fights in court vs Jaroslaw ''Masa'' Sokolowski, ex-gangster and famous crown witness in Poland which wrote in his book that Golota-Grant fight was hoaxed. Golota lives in Chicago, erected a new house not a long time ago, he is now much into his son's tennis trainings and potential career.
Thanks - and sure the Golota-Grant fight was hoaxed. I could have told you that a long time ago. Sounds like an interesting book. There's no English translation is there?
Grant vs Golota was NOT hoax.. Golota threw a knockdown punch at Grant that was hard enough to knock somebody out.. You don't do that if you're throwing a fight.. There was an ebb and flow to the fight and Grant started taking charge.. He started landing hard shots, punished Golota, and knocked him down.. When Golota got up he walked away from the referee.. Since your job is to FACE the referee when you get up, he was asked, "Do you want to fight?? ... Do you want to fight??? ... Do you want to fight?? ... Do you want to fight?? "
He didn't want to fight... He was discouraged... But he was trying hard to fight up to that point.
I hear what you're saying, but i think the guy was so spaced out, and also so strong and skillful, that he was winning fights he was supposed to lose (the two with Bowe as well?), despite the best efforts of house referee Randy Neumann to move the plot along. I think he got a signal from Pershing at thd end when he walked away.
Kalan wrote:You're a snowflake BuzzBox. That's a good description for you. Golota was an emotional flake as well -- and he had a weak mind. He quit outright against Michael Grant and didn't have the mindset of a winner. But his biggest problem by far was he couldn't box on a world level at any time. He couldn't even outbox John Ruiz -- a man so unskilled that a former Middleweight Champion of the World moved up and finessed the swinger like he was his daddy. Stop telling me what I recognize because you're not even paying attention when you read most posts... You're off in Zu Zu Land.
I think you are short changing Golota's ability. He has Bowe beat, but folded mentally. I don't think he was the most skilled HW of his time, but he was no push over in ability. He just couldn't hold it together upstairs.
Kalan wrote:You're a snowflake BuzzBox. That's a good description for you. Golota was an emotional flake as well -- and he had a weak mind. He quit outright against Michael Grant and didn't have the mindset of a winner. But his biggest problem by far was he couldn't box on a world level at any time. He couldn't even outbox John Ruiz -- a man so unskilled that a former Middleweight Champion of the World moved up and finessed the swinger like he was his daddy. Stop telling me what I recognize because you're not even paying attention when you read most posts... You're off in Zu Zu Land.
I think you are short changing Golota's ability. He has Bowe beat, but folded mentally. I don't think he was the most skilled HW of his time, but he was no push over in ability. He just couldn't hold it together upstairs.
" I don't think he was the most skilled HW of his time"
I do actually. Bowe was considered the best in the world at the time and he totally beat him up, twice. His skill was something to see at the time of those two fights. He was the first eastern European to come on the scene too. Before that the heavyweight championship had been almost the exclusive property of the USA.
Now that's the thing about boxing, the most corrupt of all sports, the Polish mob had their vampire fangs in his neck, and he didn't seem to be intelligent enough to shake them off or even want to, and in boxing the crooks like to bet on fights and the crooks only like to win. In boxing you can't make sure your man wins if the fight is legit - but you can make sure he loses. How many of his fights were like that? I don't know. many were very suspicious. The mob - the Italians in this case - even tried to get the great Rocky Marciano to throw a fight, but he was nobody's fool, and he refused and told the Mafioso - with whom he was tight too, like Golota was with the Polish mob - "You are a disgrace to the Italians!"
Kalan wrote:You're a snowflake BuzzBox. That's a good description for you. Golota was an emotional flake as well -- and he had a weak mind. He quit outright against Michael Grant and didn't have the mindset of a winner. But his biggest problem by far was he couldn't box on a world level at any time. He couldn't even outbox John Ruiz -- a man so unskilled that a former Middleweight Champion of the World moved up and finessed the swinger like he was his daddy. Stop telling me what I recognize because you're not even paying attention when you read most posts... You're off in Zu Zu Land.
I think you are short changing Golota's ability. He has Bowe beat, but folded mentally. I don't think he was the most skilled HW of his time, but he was no push over in ability. He just couldn't hold it together upstairs.
" I don't think he was the most skilled HW of his time"
I do actually. Bowe was considered the best in the world at the time and he totally beat him up, twice. His skill was something to see at the time of those two fights. He was the first eastern European to come on the scene too. Before that the heavyweight championship had been almost the exclusive property of the USA.
Now that's the thing about boxing, the most corrupt of all sports, the Polish mob had their vampire fangs in his neck, and he didn't seem to be intelligent enough to shake them off or even want to, and in boxing the crooks like to bet on fights and the crooks only like to win. In boxing you can't make sure your man wins if the fight is legit - but you can make sure he loses. How many of his fights were like that? I don't know. many were very suspicious. The mob - the Italians in this case - even tried to get the great Rocky Marciano to throw a fight, but he was nobody's fool, and he refused and told the Mafioso - with whom he was tight too, like Golota was with the Polish mob - "You are a disgrace to the Italians!"
Impractical Poster wrote:
I think you are short changing Golota's ability. He has Bowe beat, but folded mentally. I don't think he was the most skilled HW of his time, but he was no push over in ability. He just couldn't hold it together upstairs.
" I don't think he was the most skilled HW of his time"
I do actually. Bowe was considered the best in the world at the time and he totally beat him up, twice. His skill was something to see at the time of those two fights. He was the first eastern European to come on the scene too. Before that the heavyweight championship had been almost the exclusive property of the USA.
Now that's the thing about boxing, the most corrupt of all sports, the Polish mob had their vampire fangs in his neck, and he didn't seem to be intelligent enough to shake them off or even want to, and in boxing the crooks like to bet on fights and the crooks only like to win. In boxing you can't make sure your man wins if the fight is legit - but you can make sure he loses. How many of his fights were like that? I don't know. many were very suspicious. The mob - the Italians in this case - even tried to get the great Rocky Marciano to throw a fight, but he was nobody's fool, and he refused and told the Mafioso - with whom he was tight too, like Golota was with the Polish mob - "You are a disgrace to the Italians!"
Lewis was definitely better
No.
Riddick Bowe was the heavyweight champ - WBC, IBO, WBA, and IBF - and was considered the #1 heavy at the time. He had only lost once, a majority decision loss to Holyfield, and in his previous fight he avenged that loss by KO'g Holyfield. Golota was considered a nothing fight for him. Lewis had, on the other hand, been knocked out in the second round by McCall to lose the WBC heavyweight title. he only had something called the IBC title which he got by beating Morrison. He had just won a close majority decision over Mercer.
x2x wrote:
" I don't think he was the most skilled HW of his time"
I do actually. Bowe was considered the best in the world at the time and he totally beat him up, twice. His skill was something to see at the time of those two fights. He was the first eastern European to come on the scene too. Before that the heavyweight championship had been almost the exclusive property of the USA.
Now that's the thing about boxing, the most corrupt of all sports, the Polish mob had their vampire fangs in his neck, and he didn't seem to be intelligent enough to shake them off or even want to, and in boxing the crooks like to bet on fights and the crooks only like to win. In boxing you can't make sure your man wins if the fight is legit - but you can make sure he loses. How many of his fights were like that? I don't know. many were very suspicious. The mob - the Italians in this case - even tried to get the great Rocky Marciano to throw a fight, but he was nobody's fool, and he refused and told the Mafioso - with whom he was tight too, like Golota was with the Polish mob - "You are a disgrace to the Italians!"
Lewis was definitely better
No.
Riddick Bowe was the heavyweight champ - WBC, IBO, WBA, and IBF - and was considered the #1 heavy at the time. He had only lost once, a majority decision loss to Holyfield, and in his previous fight he avenged that loss by KO'g Holyfield. Golota was considered a nothing fight for him. Lewis had, on the other hand, been knocked out in the second round by McCall to lose the WBC heavyweight title. he only had something called the IBC title which he got by beating Morrison. He had just won a close majority decision over Mercer.
I get what you're saying, but even though Bowe was the champ at that time, Lewis was still better. Yeah, he got caught by McCall, but went on to prove he was the best heavy of that era.
You are both looking at it from the perspective of 21 years in the future. In 1996 when Bowe first fought Golota he was considered to be the best heavyweight.
Kalan wrote:You're a snowflake BuzzBox. That's a good description for you. Golota was an emotional flake as well -- and he had a weak mind. He quit outright against Michael Grant and didn't have the mindset of a winner. But his biggest problem by far was he couldn't box on a world level at any time. He couldn't even outbox John Ruiz -- a man so unskilled that a former Middleweight Champion of the World moved up and finessed the swinger like he was his daddy. Stop telling me what I recognize because you're not even paying attention when you read most posts... You're off in Zu Zu Land.
I think you are short changing Golota's ability. He has Bowe beat, but folded mentally. I don't think he was the most skilled HW of his time, but he was no push over in ability. He just couldn't hold it together upstairs.
Golota had Bowe beat, but Bowe was one of the easiest Heavyweight Champs ever to punch in the head... If Holyfield boxed Bowe in all 3 fights he would have beaten Bowe all 3 times as easily as he did in the 2nd go.. Golota was crude as Hell with no head movement. He couldn't duck a punch.. If Michael Grant and John Ruiz are both beating you on points there's something wrong with you.. Roy Jones would have given Golota a boxing lesson like he did Ruiz.
"Bowe was one of the easiest Heavyweight Champs ever to punch in the head"
That's why Bowe was 38-1 when he met Golota, his only loss being a narrow majority decision loss to Holyfield, who he defeated 2 out of 3 times, and he finished up with a lifetime record of 43-1. Yeah real easy to punch in the head.
The truth is Golota came out of nowhere and he was sensational - but no one in boxing has ever matched his amazing ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!
Kalan wrote:You're a snowflake BuzzBox. That's a good description for you. Golota was an emotional flake as well -- and he had a weak mind. He quit outright against Michael Grant and didn't have the mindset of a winner. But his biggest problem by far was he couldn't box on a world level at any time. He couldn't even outbox John Ruiz -- a man so unskilled that a former Middleweight Champion of the World moved up and finessed the swinger like he was his daddy. Stop telling me what I recognize because you're not even paying attention when you read most posts... You're off in Zu Zu Land.
I think you are short changing Golota's ability. He has Bowe beat, but folded mentally. I don't think he was the most skilled HW of his time, but he was no push over in ability. He just couldn't hold it together upstairs.
Golota had Bowe beat, but Bowe was one of the easiest Heavyweight Champs ever to punch in the head... If Holyfield boxed Bowe in all 3 fights he would have beaten Bowe all 3 times as easily as he did in the 2nd go.. Golota was crude as Hell with no head movement. He couldn't duck a punch.. If Michael Grant and John Ruiz are both beating you on points there's something wrong with you.. Roy Jones would have given Golota a boxing lesson like he did Ruiz.
actually Grant was widely losing on points, and everyone who seen Golota-Ruiz fights knows it was a robbery
dagilechia wrote:[
actually Grant was widely losing on points, and everyone who seen Golota-Ruiz fights knows it was a robbery
Golota-Byrd too.
Grant had a 2-point round going vs Golota that was quickly turning into a 3-point round in his favor... So he would have been ahead on Chuck Hassett's card following the round... And Hassett was the only judge with close to the right score -- so they were giving it to Golota if they possibly could.. Just like they tried to give him the Byrd fight when he was outscored by a ton and fouled his ass off.. At least he didn't quit in that one -- against one of the lightest hitting Heavyweight Champions ever.
dagilechia wrote:[
actually Grant was widely losing on points, and everyone who seen Golota-Ruiz fights knows it was a robbery
Golota-Byrd too.
Grant had a 2-point round going vs Golota that was quickly turning into a 3-point round in his favor... So he would have been ahead on Chuck Hassett's card following the round... And Hassett was the only judge with close to the right score -- so they were giving it to Golota if they possibly could.. Just like they tried to give him the Byrd fight when he was outscored by a ton and fouled his ass off.. At least he didn't quit in that one -- against one of the lightest hitting Heavyweight Champions ever.
"Just like they tried to give him the Byrd fight when he was outscored by a ton and fouled his ass off"
Another nonsense post from you, like the Bowe was easy to hit in the head one. Golota didn't make single foul in that fight and crooked house referee Neuman had his eyes peeled for something, anything, and three or four times Golota hit Byrd and then Byrd's gloves touched the ground, each of which should have been ruled a knockdown, but crooked Neuman called none of them.
