Would Mike Tyson be the #1 boxing icon ever

[RScarf1]

Duva and Evander studied Douglas on tape and noticed that Buster threw his right uppercut (the one that KOd Tyson) from too far away and in doing so left himself wide open. Watch a video of the 3rd round of Holy-Douglas and put it on slow-motion if possible. Right before Douglas went down for the count, Evander was starting to throw a left. But when he saw Buster throwing that right uppercut from far away, Holy shifted his weight, stopped the left hand in mid-punch and delivered a right cross that nailed Douglas right on the chops, sending Buster down like a sack of potatoes.

Holyfield did not get much credit for his win over Douglas because Douglas was fat and out of shape.

[Kalan]

THAT was the best example of thinking on your feet???

Douglas was a fat boy who didn't train and he made a horrendous mistake. Generally you counter a sloppy right uppercut with a left hook. Holyfield was already cocking his right hand to throw -- and since Douglas missed badly he had a wide open target right in front of him.. No thought process needed. Douglas threw the uppercut in anticipation that Holyfield was going to throw the right. He thought he get a piece of his chin while he drove the punch.

Thinking on your feet is more like Marquez nailing Pacquiao with a KO shot. As Pacquiao leaped in with a big right hook he thew a counter with eyes on it.

[victor-romeo]

THAT was the best example of thinking on your feet???

Douglas was a fat boy who didn't train and he made a horrendous mistake. Generally you counter a sloppy right uppercut with a left hook. Holyfield was already cocking his right hand to throw -- and since Douglas missed badly he had a wide open target right in front of him.. No thought process needed. Douglas threw the uppercut in anticipation that Holyfield was going to throw the right. He thought he get a piece of his chin while he drove the punch.

Thinking on your feet is more like Marquez nailing Pacquiao with a KO shot. As Pacquiao leaped in with a big right hook he thew a counter with eyes on it.

Yea the best thinking on his feet for me was Marquez vs Diaz, when Marquez found away to rest and counter off the ropes vs his youthful opponent, Marquez was awesome one of my all time favourites.

[Best Coast]

THAT was the best example of thinking on your feet???

Douglas was a fat boy who didn't train and he made a horrendous mistake. Generally you counter a sloppy right uppercut with a left hook. Holyfield was already cocking his right hand to throw -- and since Douglas missed badly he had a wide open target right in front of him.. No thought process needed. Douglas threw the uppercut in anticipation that Holyfield was going to throw the right. He thought he get a piece of his chin while he drove the punch.

Thinking on your feet is more like Marquez nailing Pacquiao with a KO shot. As Pacquiao leaped in with a big right hook he thew a counter with eyes on it.

Watch the tape again, on slow motion if necessary. Holy was throwing a left just before Douglas started to throw the uppercut from too far away. He stops the left and comes across with the right that dropped Douglas. Buster being fat & out of shape doesnt detract from the fact that Holyfield shifted in mid-punch. Buster was in the shape of his life for the Tyson fight, but if Tyson was not a punch-by-the-number fighter programmed by Rooney and was able to think on his feet like Evander he might have been able to stop Douglas too, which is why I even brought it up in the context of Tyson "being the #1 boxing icon ever" which he clearly was not, for many reasons, including inability to think on his feet!!.

Marquez nailing Pac with that KO shot is another great example of a fighter thinking on his feet. Perhaps even a better example than Holy-Douglas, but that does not minimize Evander's quick-thinking that allowed him to put his weight behind that right that dropped Douglas. Just because Douglas was too much of a pansie to get up (when most people think he could have) doesnt mean Holy's right hand was any less of an example of thinking on one's feet.

[Best Coast]

THAT was the best example of thinking on your feet???

Douglas was a fat boy who didn't train and he made a horrendous mistake. Generally you counter a sloppy right uppercut with a left hook. Holyfield was already cocking his right hand to throw -- and since Douglas missed badly he had a wide open target right in front of him.. No thought process needed. Douglas threw the uppercut in anticipation that Holyfield was going to throw the right. He thought he get a piece of his chin while he drove the punch.

Thinking on your feet is more like Marquez nailing Pacquiao with a KO shot. As Pacquiao leaped in with a big right hook he thew a counter with eyes on it.

Yea the best thinking on his feet for me was Marquez vs Diaz, when Marquez found away to rest and counter off the ropes vs his youthful opponent, Marquez was awesome one of my all time favourites.

Marquez stopping Diaz is another great example of thinking on one's feet. That's 2 for JMM and one for Evander.

[Counter-puncher]

Thinking on your feet is more like Marquez nailing Pacquiao with a KO shot. As Pacquiao leaped in with a big right hook he thew a counter with eyes on it.

Pacquiao wasn't leaping in with the right hook, he was throwing that double-pump jab and ending it with the straight left with the big step-in that he threw all the time (Marqeuz countered by hiding his head to the left and throwing the right which got there before Pacquiao's left had travelled half its distance), which is why he was so easy for Marquez to time on that occasion, he'd seen him use that move a dozen times.

https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/DistantW ... vasesponge

see the gif above, see Pacquiao's hand extending straight out to measure for the left

[G.McClellan]

Tyson could have Cus, Futch, Blackburn, 10 Rooney's and God in his corner and Evander would have kicked his ass.

Watch fights of Evander in his cruiserweight days and then watch fights of Holyfield as a heavyweight. Notice how cut he appears as a heavyweight. Holyfield was juiced to the max when he fought Tyson.

Take away that special ingredient and Holyfield is another reel on Tyson's greatest knockouts.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Tyson could have Cus, Futch, Blackburn, 10 Rooney's and God in his corner and Evander would have kicked his ass.

Watch fights of Evander in his cruiserweight days and then watch fights of Holyfield as a heavyweight. Notice how cut he appears as a heavyweight. Holyfield was juiced to the max when he fought Tyson.

Take away that special ingredient and Holyfield is another reel on Tyson's greatest knockouts.

[Kalan]

Thinking on your feet is more like Marquez nailing Pacquiao with a KO shot. As Pacquiao leaped in with a big right hook he thew a counter with eyes on it.

Pacquiao wasn't leaping in with the right hook, he was throwing that double-pump jab and ending it with the straight left with the big step-in that he threw all the time (Marqeuz countered by hiding his head to the left and throwing the right which got there before Pacquiao's left had travelled half its distance), which is why he was so easy for Marquez to time on that occasion, he'd seen him use that move a dozen times.

Pacman got hit before his jab traveled half it's distance?????? ... It was a right hook and it already missed when he got hit.

Here's 2 slo-mo views... You don't jump in with a jab and leave it out there -- you retract a jab because it's not a power punch.

After 28 seconds of this video it gives you 2 slow motion views of the KO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OK2s_-H85w Pac's punch starts out as a jab, but Pacquiao made a horrific mistake, expecting Marquez to move his head right and maybe roll under which he did earlier.. Instead JMM moves his head left and countered by turning his right fist over.. But Pacquiao already left his feet jumping in, and sails right into the counterpunch AFTER his cutting right hook misses Marquez completely. As he rotates slightly with his airborne hook Marquez connects and then he's looking at Pacquiao's back.. Almost comical.